I know. There is no reason to believe that Ser Joffrey Lonmouth wasn't a ward of Driftmark. Or he said he was Laenor's protector so could have been his sworn shield. All that we know was that he was on Driftmark we don't know the reason why.
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Surely if he wanted to keep his secret, he shouldn't have revealed it so obviously to the queen?!
Exactly, the truth is out there.
As far as Cole knows, the Queen and the whole court know of him and Rhaenyra after his confession? He's basically just waiting to be gelded/executed at this point, why not smash someones face in on the way, eh.
First part yes, last part I don't think it was deliberate. The boat scene showed us how emotional he can be, and how torn he felt because he'd 'soiled his white cloak' and basically dishonoured himself, so the losing control during the fight was probably just frustration. If he wanted to keep the secret secret he'd have to take out the Velaryan boy too, which would be unrealistic.
Being exiled to The Wall is shit but you get 3 meals a day, a bed, companionship and there's a whorehouse down the road.
But I don't see how any man hangs around waiting to be castrated like Criston the ****.
Feck honour, I'm on the first boat to Essos at the first hint of gelding.
But I don't see how any man hangs around waiting to be castrated like Criston the ****.
Feck honour, I'm on the first boat to Essos at the first hint of gelding.
With Criston is not about honour, he is just stupid fecker.
True, but that was when he was much younger and he was being fostered there. I don't think Lonmouth could still be a ward given he had been knighted already - so if he was heir then he should be at home.
Also, you could argue that Criston Cole being a member of the Kingsguard elevates House Cole beyond House Lonmouth - though that's obviously speculation as the details of the latter are so scarce.
'unknown ' lover as in its a secret. There may be future consequences sure (but maybe not now, with the Queen basically taking him under her), but who exactly at that point when it happened was going to do anything. He was kingsguard, so none of the other kingsguard would do anything. The King and Queen were not going to do anything. Corlys would certainly not do anything, he probably was happy to see him gone.
King regent to be would be the most pissed off but he cant do anything other then say hes a friend and i want him punished.
I think they both misread the situation.It might have been playful, but cole probably took it as a threat (when it was an attempt at being smug and playful given their shared secrets, and a way of saying im the same as you)
Cole probably just snapped and wanted it all to be done (given he was on his way to taking himself out).
The Queen knows but he might think she hasn’t told anyone else. He presumably knows her and Daenerys are pretty tight. Which would explain why he loses his shit when yer man also seems to know.
This is the problem with not being able to put anything from the books in the tv show thread. You can know something is not the case but you can't prove it.
Fair enough. I thought you meant that he was no one of consequence.
I've come around to House Of Dragons, it's an easy watch, very light and fluffy. It's like a grim saturday morning cartoon; such that the cringe stuff like the horse fall, or the archery, or the pleasure den scenes, or the shambolic dialogue and line delivery e.g. "I like duck me, yum yum", don't spoil the whole thing. It's quite stylish, is well rendered and fun. It balances its cliches and predictable archetypes and soap opera plotting, with a nice sense of grim and earthly squalor. I don't forsee a problem with the time skips, given that the broad brushstroke approach is being handled fairly skilfully.
It's nothing much like OG Game of Thrones or even the disastrous late GOT seasons. HOD world has no weight, structure, or direction to it, and fails to provide any narrative depth to the history of the throne. However it works well as a cheery tapestry of past events.
It's nothing much like OG Game of Thrones or even the disastrous late GOT seasons. HOD world has no weight, structure, or direction to it, and fails to provide any narrative depth to the history of the throne. However it works well as a cheery tapestry of past events.
Happy or no happy no lord worthy of their house would stand idle and not demand justice or at least reason as to why his heir and future king's guard is beaten to a pulp in a wedding party.
It could have been a blessing in disguise but still kingsguard or not they'd demand retribution, and rightly so.
People got offended for less in GOT and this is cold blooded unprovoked murder in broad daylight. An insulting jest is no reason for a murder
I agree it's no reason for murder, but given the politics we see there's no way corlys would at this moment do anything.
So which other lord would do anything? Or care?
This is the lord who brazenly sit casually and not seeing his king in arrogance manner
But he's also getting his son close to the throne thus guaranteeing a grandson is next in line.
In terms of politics that would be more important to get done then questioning why a kingsguard beat to death his sons secret lover, right?
As I said there might be fallout (though we probably don't see it) but in this world , corlys sees double benefit in what's happened surely.
Definitely part of it, I'd agree.
It's not a wrong assumption but we know she was asking about Daemon. And everyone knows you don't admit to something before you're even accused. Of course, guilt was a factor as well which people brought up. So I think all of those things basically combined to cause his actions. He's still thick as far as GoT characters go.
It wasn't ignored by Corlys, it's that the end result isn't contrary to Corlys' interests. Corlys clearly is happier without the distraction to his son (and threat), whom he (foolishly) believes will grow out of it and come to accept the pleasures of bedding a woman.
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This whole Criston Cole debate is starting to remind me of vanilla/vinegar-gate.
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Tim Minchin should have been cast as Viserys.
This is shaping up to be one of the best shows in 2022. Well worth the wait and the hype. Fantastic stuff so far.
Hated that episode to be honest, worst of the season by a long way and dare I say it on a par with season 8 of GOT
This was such a reset I almost needed another episode to digest it, as though it was a new show. I’m not sure how I feel about it; initial reaction to the new queen isn’t positive I know that much.
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Alicent was a little mouse and now she's a bitch and Rhaenyra is now apologizing to everyone. It's like an alternate reality. Even Daemon seems different and not in a good way. Sir Cole can suck it because he's the biggest douche now. Between him and Alicent, I can't decide who I despise the most.
I had started to get into the show over the last 2 episodes but this latest one has just about lost me. I dont like any of the characters, this time jump makes it feel like a whole new show and I feel like Im back at episode 1. It took me 3 bites to get through this episode.
In the meantime I have been watching GOT from episode 1 and the difference is huge, more engaging characters, more intrigue, more mischief and humour, better drama and much much better writing. I feel a bit like just giving up on HOTD
In the meantime I have been watching GOT from episode 1 and the difference is huge, more engaging characters, more intrigue, more mischief and humour, better drama and much much better writing. I feel a bit like just giving up on HOTD
Weird decision to go with different actors. I’m sure they were well capable of playing much older versions of themselves.
Don’t get this episode at all. It’s almost as if they are trying too hard to create a mesmerising storyline failing to realise that it’s deviating so badly and so early into the series. Inconsistency in the characters is all over the place to the point I don’t know who is who anymore. How do you build characters like that?
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Totally agree. I don’t know what to make out of anyone at this point.
The most consistent character yet is in the whole series is Viserys and he is the weakest one 
It’s reset after reset. Eat, sleep and reset.
From a solid 8 to a solid 3. Such a weak episode.
Terrible episode. Don't know where they are going with this And changing out the actors was a big mistake.
Harwin gone in Harrenhal just like that by a group of bandits and I thought Tywin lost his life in GOT in the shittiest way possible.
Maybe but the character will still go a good 20-30 years ahead of now. There's the problem with younger actors
I mentioned before that the time skipping was a problem. This seems to be a good 15-20 years forward and every character has jumped into a whole new life.
Really not enjoying this format. It's like watching individual episodes rather than a nice flowing series.
Really not enjoying this format. It's like watching individual episodes rather than a nice flowing series.
I thought it was great. Opening scene was tough to get through! You can see the realm is volatile, all it's gonna take is the king to die then it's all gonna kick off.
This jump in episode 6 is crap. Why cant you use the same actors and apply makeup or cgi to age them? Dreadful decision. Destroys any continuity of the previous episodes.