Yeah i don't disagree and I'm not against signing him - if the conditions are right, but i sense he is quite overrated (based on current level) in this thread.
Joao Felix / on loan to Chelsea
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OK, but when was that? Cause I cant see it in his last 3 seasons and he signed 2019 with AM. If it was with his former club, then that is another big question mark about him that he did not live up to the expectations. I would stay put, would only take him on a loan with obligation to buy after 2 years if he makes specific amount of appearances and goal contributions, i,e the AM way of making deals.
It was at Benfica.
You’re judging a striker who moved as a teenager based on his time at a new club who actively attempt to not attack and have at times event tried converting him to being a right back.
Sorry.. what? When has Ateletico tried to convert him to a RB?
There were clips of him there from a few training sessions a bit back. Think it might have been while Trippier had his ban for insider gambling.
He once played as a wing back for a certain period.
Transfermarkt shows he hasn't played any games at RB or RWB. Are you able to find any of these clips because the times I have seen him play, he plays upfront for Ateletico.
Also... the comment about the team does not want to score, Spurs have been the same for 3-5 years yet Harry Kane is always there for golden boot.
I don't make a habit of watching Simone football. But Felix looked really dangerous on the few occasions I've seen him play.
Wouldn't mind a few more portguese speakers in the squad to add to that tribe mentality we've seemed to develop. Felix and Neves next summer would be great additions.
Wouldn't mind a few more portguese speakers in the squad to add to that tribe mentality we've seemed to develop. Felix and Neves next summer would be great additions.
Damn. We desparately need a proven goalscorer. This does not look good. Is he underperforming due to Simeone's set up? injuries?Overrated as feck
His best league season is 8 goals, that is below mediocre, that is sh1t level for a 9/false 9
Based on muppets wanting to muppet.
In 18 months, he will be looking to send Felix and a "fat fee" for someone else.
Wouldn't mind a loan swap with Ronnie for 6 months if he's someone Ten Hag likes.
Ronaldo would have zero interest in such a move.
Fixed that for you
Nothing wrong with Felix, he is a highly talented player who could possibly be in that elite group if he moves to a team that plays more positive football, but considering that he would cost a considerable amount of money I think we should relocate those funds to some who is more of a goalscorer and can lead our front line. I think that this team needs attacker who will be at the end of things more than someone who would help create things.
Why? He was trying to engineer a move to Atlético a few months ago. He'd get more game time for a big club in a less physically demanding league, on the same wages. I can't see why he'd have zero interest in the move.
Because they are not in the CL. The main reason he was engineering a move is because they were in the CL?
So he'd rather remain at United who also aren't in the CL, where he's 3rd choice and playing for a manager who is likely very happy for him to leave?
Falcao, Diego Costa, Griezmann and Suarez have all hit decent numbers for Simeone’s Atletico, despite the negative approach, so not sure why this is presented as a legitimate excuse for Felix’s really underwhelming record. It’s definitely a cause for concern.
Would you take Dennis Bergkamp type of striker?Overrated as feck
His best league season is 8 goals, that is below mediocre, that is sh1t level for a 9/false 9
Curious why some of you think Felix would thrive in a more physically demanding league, with less time and space on the ball. I could see him gonig the same way as Di Maria.
I dont know, I am not a mind reader, just commenting on why he wouldn't want to go to Ateletico
I have a feeling this would be another sancho type situation, we sign player for huge fee on huge wages and get next to nothing back in terms of performances.
He's gonna be one of those "dodged a bullet" players.
That's a fair point. I guess the caveat to that is that those players suited the Simeone system a lot better than Felix, where basically all, from the outside looking in, saw it as an extremely silly transfer from his perspective back in 2019.
Would it be fair to try and mitigate Felix's numbers a little by reference to the fact that this iteration of Atletico is probably the weakest they've been under Simeone? Even in 2020/21 when they won the league, they only scored 67 goals.
Ey? I was talking about Ronaldo.
João Félix is not a playmaker. I think his ideal position is false nine (height, good shooting, ball control, but a slow/lazy player).
It should be seen on another system. But i dont think he's a superstar
Best case: Dybala (good, not great)
Worst case: Deulofeu (a little above average )
It should be seen on another system. But i dont think he's a superstar
Best case: Dybala (good, not great)
Worst case: Deulofeu (a little above average )
No.
Firstly, that type of player works well in a 4-4-2 paired with a great goal scorer, or in 4-3-3 with prodigious wingers (like Firminho when he was paired with Salah and Mane). Bergkamp played in a 4-4-2 as a support striker to Ian Wright at first and Henry afterwards. So he was the foil to superior, world-class goal scorers. Who are these superior goal scorers that we’d have to fall back on, if we have an underwhelming goal scorer at #9?
Secondly, Felix isn’t that type of player. Bergkamp had 87 goals and 94 assists in 315 Premier League appearances. That is more assists than goals and a goal contribution every second game (0.57 GAs per game). Now Felix's stats are poor overall but still, they are heavily skewed towards goals over assists. He has 23 goals and 13 assists in 93 La Liga games. That suggests he’s not particularly great at setting up goals and linking attacks, like Bergkamp was. So he’s not a Bergkamp-type player by the look of things, not at the moment anyway.
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Do we have Henry to play him alongside? What we need is a Henry, not a Bergkamp.
Yes, but you raised a good point about the difference in the league. A swap deal like you suggested might be beneficial for Ronaldo, but I'm not sure about the other way.
Would happily swap him with Bruno.
Now this is where the argument starts, considering that our wingers are more type of wingers that cut inside to shoot like Salah and Mane rather than supply the ball to number 9, wouldn’t Bergkamp type of striker be better? I’m not saying I will agree to this but I can see this argument has valid point.
Secondly, Bergkamp started play in PL at 26 years old. Felix is only 22 years old now and started play in La liga at 19. Take a look at Bergkamp stats when he left Eredivise or Dutch league at 24 to when he was 28 years old in his first two years at arsenal then compare his stats to Felix when he left Portuguese league at 19, I see similar numbers there, in fact Felix played less minutes. Bergkamp was never an assist contributor when he was at Dutch league and neither he was an assist contributor when he was 24 to 28 years old. But he developed it after 28 years old.
So would you still want Bergkamp type of striker?
In this modern football that doesn’t play 442, wouldn’t Henry be a winger in front three like where Mbappe plays at?
Falcao joined them at 25 having had an outstanding goal return for Porto over two seasons. Suarez was a declining world class forward. Diego Costa is Simeone in striker form. And Griezmann was the star of the show when Atletico were actually good.
Out of all those players two are orthodox strikers, Suarez a world class forward and Griezmann the cherry on top of Atletico's shithousery football for years. Felix doesn't suit their style, and obviously even less so as they dramatically decline as a force.
I'm still surprised he actually joined that club. Such a stupid move.
Nobody plays with a number 10 anymore, so he doesn't suit many different 'styles'.
Unless he becomes a number 8 like Kroos (but he doesn't have the bi-lateral ability of him or workrate) his career is going to be like Isco, Dybala at max etc and that's being generous
Everyone said so at the time too. I still think there is an element of shadiness with Mendes involved.
I'd take a Bergkamp any day of the week. What a player. Sublime technique, playmaking, goal scoring and finishing. I think even in today's setups he could easily play in the Firmino type role.
He’s just ridiculously good at football
One is the antithesis of what the manager wants while the other is younger and fits his system perfectly.
Not exactly muppetry.
Agreed. He's clearly talented, and could barely have picked a worse stylistic fit than Atletico, especially on such a mental contract. Crazy decision.
I don't think he'd thrive in the PL on current evidence.
Is he ridiculously good as a striker is the question unless he's our new LW
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