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Some insane performances, Embiid with 59 pts, 8 at, 7 rb and also 7 blocks. Garland also had a 50 point night.

Appreciation for Jokic as well, 2 time MVP but he's sacrificing his stats to get his teammates back in form after injuries. Taking less shots, with great efficiency, and passing the ball more. Only 4-4 yesterday but 14 assists.
538 Raptor rankings have Jokic as the best player in the league.
 

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538 Raptor rankings have Jokic as the best player in the league.
538 also had the Celtics as an 83% favorite to beat the Dubs, so I'd take their numbers with a grain of salt to be honest.
 

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Great and much needed win.
He improved it to -4 by the end.

Wiseman and a second for GP2 anyone?
He did score off that rebound.


man I love GP2. Freak athlete and a great guy by all accounts. The world’s smallest big man.

him repeatedly blocking Joker, and the push-ups, and the butt tap-amazing
 

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I just finished watching the Warriors and Spurs in full (was switching back and forth last night due to Commanders game). Sad to say, but the Dubs look so much better with Klay out. Jordan Poole had his best game of the season and Steph got a chance to essentially take the night off. The defense was also so much better. I really hope Klay can back to somewhere close to where he was before the injury but at the moment Poole definitely needs more minutes probably at the expense of Klay.
 

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Steph has 31 points in the first half and we are down by 7.

Poole (who played well Monday) and Klay need to get going.
 

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You always smell terrible so that’s not saying much.

he has started this season terribly though. Sad to see.
:lol: touché

He'll probably improve a little. Although, it does seem like the Warriors may need to make some kind of move if they want to be a serious threat.
 

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:lol: touché

He'll probably improve a little. Although, it does seem like the Warriors may need to make some kind of move if they want to be a serious threat.
Benching Klay would be a start.

He is playing worse than Westbrook and bricking equally hard but somehow immune from the same level of criticism. His ego is forcing him to try to defend Booker and fail.
 

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Another loss. Some (obvious) thoughts.

Steph was great.

Defense was awful.

Dubs have got to think about benching Klay.

Phoenix were the better team (by far) tonight.
 

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As an afterthought.

Steph is now averaging 33 pts per game on 53/45/93 shooting.
 

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As an afterthought.

Steph is now averaging 33 pts per game on 53/45/93 shooting.
That's unsustainable (shades of Haaland's projected final figures after a month and a half into this year's Premier League season).
If he does keep it up, it's going to be in the conversation with the greatest seasons in NBA history. That would eclipise Curry's 2015-16 season, which is arguably the greatest offensive season in the sport's history.
 

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Not much can be done for now, outside of benching Klay for Poole and hoping the latter does well as a starter, and trading Wiseman for GP2 and a 2nd(s) if the Blazers are up for getting some assets for a currently injured player.
 

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Them Rockets boys had themselves a block party last night. Much needed feel good win. If you ignore the W-L column, Rockets are a fun team to watch. Jalen Green alone is worth tuning in for. That boy is box office.

You do get the feeling the team is too young though, in desperate need of some veteran presence to guide them. Next season though, after we’ve drafted Wembenyama :wenger: we basically have an entire team full of kids, assuming Gordon gets traded to a contender. We finally get out from under the Wall contract. Green will be the highest paid player at $9m, so we’ll hopefully be involved in the free agency market. If all goes to plan, I think we can compete for a playoff spot next season.

I have to say, Dallas without Luka look like a lottery team. I know we caught them on the second half of a back to back, but I wasn’t impressed with them at all.
 
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Not much can be done for now, outside of benching Klay for Poole and hoping the latter does well as a starter, and trading Wiseman for GP2 and a 2nd(s) if the Blazers are up for getting some assets for a currently injured player.
GP2 cannot be traded for another month and it would be a bad look to give him contract only to trade him a few months later. He will also have an important role in Blazers rotation when he’s back and I don’t even know why we’d want anything to do with Wiseman and send picks the other way.
 

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GP2 cannot be traded for another month and it would be a bad look to give him contract only to trade him a few months later. He will also have an important role in Blazers rotation when he’s back and I don’t even know why we’d want anything to do with Wiseman and send picks the other way.
You misread, you guys get 1-2 second round picks is what I said, not the other way round
 

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That's unsustainable (shades of Haaland's projected final figures after a month and a half into this year's Premier League season).
If he does keep it up, it's going to be in the conversation with the greatest seasons in NBA history. That would eclipise Curry's 2015-16 season, which is arguably the greatest offensive season in the sport's history.
Barring injuries, Steph can sustain it. He’s that good.
 

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Top 5 in my books.
Top 5 is a tall order when we have:

Jordan
Kareem
LeBron
Magic
Duncan

I'm not sure I see the argument for him being a better basketball player than Hakeem, either. What's going to help him in that argument is the rings.
 

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Top 5 is a tall order when we have:

Jordan
Kareem
LeBron
Magic
Duncan

I'm not sure I see the argument for him being a better basketball player than Hakeem, either. What's going to help him in that argument is the rings.
Do you not rate Russell?
 

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I love these arguments!

(My top 10, not really in order)
Jordan, Chamberlain, LeBron, Russell, Kareem, Kobe, Bird, Magic, Duncan, Oscar

@charlton66 , who is he replacing?
@elmo , which 6 is he replacing?
Oscar would not be in my top 10 from your list. I would also have Shaq over Wilt. As great as Chamberlain was in terms of stats, he had a huge drop off in the playoffs and only won 2 Championships, the 2nd of which he was nearing the end of his career and was averaging less than 15 ppg.

In no particular order:
Russell, Kareem, LeBron, Jordan, Bird, Duncan, Steph, Shaq, Kobe, Magic.
 

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Oscar would not be in my top 10 from your list. I would also have Shaq over Wilt. As great as Chamberlain was in terms of stats, he had a huge drop off in the playoffs and only won 2 Championships, the 2nd of which he was nearing the end of his career and was averaging less than 15 ppg.

In no particular order:
Russell, Kareem, LeBron, Jordan, Bird, Duncan, Steph, Shaq, Kobe, Magic.
I can see leaving off Oscar, but he was just such a complete player.

Disagree about Wilt disappearing in the playoffs. It's hard to compare pts/reb/ast from reg season to playoffs (and between era's) because of how the game changes, but advanced metrics should take that into account and help a bit. His career PER is in the top 20, but is brought down by those bad last years when he was in decline (as an aside, can you imagine him with current conditioning techniques and if he actually took care of his body???) so let's look at those peek years (23-30) for him and Steph (and also MJ and LBJ b/c they are absurd).

AgeWiltStephJordanLeBron
23​
27​
28.1​
24.3​
24​
26.7​
20.5​
28.4​
37.4​
25​
29.7​
18.8​
29.9​
28.6​
26​
24.5​
31.7​
23.7​
27​
31.3​
22.3​
32​
30.3​
28​
27.1​
27.1​
27.2​
28.1​
29​
26​
22.3​
30.1​
31​
30​
25.3​
22.6​
"baseball"
25.3​
Avg27.622.6
29.6​
28.6​
 

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I can see leaving off Oscar, but he was just such a complete player.

Disagree about Wilt disappearing in the playoffs. It's hard to compare pts/reb/ast from reg season to playoffs (and between era's) because of how the game changes, but advanced metrics should take that into account and help a bit. His career PER is in the top 20, but is brought down by those bad last years when he was in decline (as an aside, can you imagine him with current conditioning techniques and if he actually took care of his body???) so let's look at those peek years (23-30) for him and Steph (and also MJ and LBJ b/c they are absurd).

AgeWiltStephJordanLeBron
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28.1​
24.3​
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26.7​
20.5​
28.4​
37.4​
25​
29.7​
18.8​
29.9​
28.6​
26​
24.5​
31.7​
23.7​
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31.3​
22.3​
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30.3​
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27.1​
27.1​
27.2​
28.1​
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26​
22.3​
30.1​
31​
30​
25.3​
22.6​
"baseball"
25.3​
Avg27.622.6
29.6​
28.6​
I think Steph's peak years are still happening.