I don't disagree, and if he keeps this up I think he passes Wilt. I also think he passes Kobe if he can keep going for a few more years at this level.
I do. Wilt as well. I just didn't want to bring them up because I know that people (not necessarily anybody in particular) seem eager to diminish both with the same inane "played in an era where players were mechanics" tripe. If that's someone's view point (which I disagree with) then I still don't see Curry ahead of the five I mentioned.
It's also worth mentioning that Wilt's role changed over the years, which hurt his averages. The second iteration of Wilt (when he won his second title) wasn't a scorer because he was tasked with being a facilitator. His shot attempts were way down and he wasn't necessarily bothered about keeping his averages up.
Isn't making random lists the best thing about sports
Scroll back a few pages in this thread. Me, @Desert Eagle and @Ladron de redcafe and a few others had this exact same discussion.Isn't making random lists the best thing about sports
I don't hate this list, but I just don't see how Steph is above Kobe yet (let alone Wilt).
MJ & Russell - tie at number one for me. Russell for being the ultimate winner and MJ for totally changing the game from a big man dominated one to one that’s dominated by athletic wings.
One throwaway line and the thread is buzzing.Top 10 all time.
Me too.
How can you have Steph as 3rd best at worst yet say Magic was the best PG ever? Also, if you think Kareem was just about longevity....oh boy.
Interesting, thanks! My only addition to that conversation would be to agree that Kobe's defense has been overrated over time, but when he was fully engaged, he was an elite 1:! defensive player in short bursts. That is why MJ is the undisputed GOAT, he never took plays off, especially in the playoffs. He brought elite energy to both ends of the court in more than short bursts.
Magic’s the better point guard but Steph is the better player because of how ridiculous he is at shooting and drawing double teams
Steph is not in Magic's universe. Of course Steph is the superior 3 point shooter but Magic was not a slouch shooting the ball either. Their TS numbers are pretty close (.61 for Magic to .62 for Curry). Also, do you really think Magic did not draw double teams? Part of what made him special was his ability to draw those and use his height to see over the top and make the ridiculous passes he is known for. Anyways, I doubt we are going to agree on this, but that's what makes sports fun!
Guilty as charged. I “may” have overreacted when I saw someone ranking step as 3rd all time at worst.
It's nice to see someone admit when they're wrong.Guilty as charged. I “may” have overreacted when I saw someone ranking step as 3rd all time at worst.
I'm gonna have to hear that opinion from people who watched them play, I've only heard glowing reviews of both. Nostalgia is real of course, but we also have to consider they didn't have the benefits of the modern era either.
Guilty as charged. I “may” have overreacted when I saw someone ranking step as 3rd all time at worst.
Fair play and tbf it’s very enjoyable reading this discussion from people like you who have seen all these greats in their pomp| Player | MVPs | FMVPs | Titles |
| Jordan | 5 | 6 | 6 |
| Kareem | 6 | 2 | 6 |
| Lebron | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Duncan | 2 | 3 | 5 |
| Magic | 3 | 3 | 5 |
| Curry | 2 | 1 | 4 |
Overrated Bill Russell: 5/0*/11
Steady on my friend, I'm not that old
. I saw MJ, Bird and Magic in their prime (as a young kid) and Kareem at the very end.As much as I love watching Steph play, I do believe top 3 is a bridge too far.
Number of teams = 8
Yeah Russell would have had the all time record had they had the FMVP in that era. Jordan's 6 would have been a distant second.
I think so. He's a transcendant all-time player. But top 3 is a huge claim.
By that logic Babe Ruth/Lou Gherig/ Lefty Grove/ etc. cannot be in the conversation for best baseball players of all time. Transcendent talent is transcendent because it transcends eras.
Alright coffin dodgerSteady on my friend, I'm not that old
'I saw George Best, Denis Law and Bobby Charlton live so I am old (well relatively).Alright coffin dodger
Someone made me feel really old the other day when I told them I was a T-Mac fan first before becoming a basketball fan. Followed him from Toronto to Orlando to the Rockets. He was like 'damn you've been watching basketball since the 90's?
Live for United or for the Aztecs/Earthquakes? That's a wide range of years spanning my parents grade school years to after my birth.
Live for United. Saw my first game at OT in the early 60s. My dad took me to see Utd vs City but he cheated me 'cause it was the Reserves. All I remember was that it was bloody cold, I had to stand for two hours and I wanted to go home. Saw my first real game probably around 65-66.Live for United or for the Aztecs/Earthquakes? That's a wide range of years spanning my parents grade school years to after my birth.
Damn, you are old. Seriously though, it's those memories that are awesome. I remember my dad getting us tickets to go watch Showtime at it's prime. Magic and Kareem were little ants from our, literally, last row seats but for me it was the best present ever. I know now it cost a huge chunk of my parents limited budget back then which makes it all the more amazing of a memory.
I'm just not sure I ever fully understood this thought process. When the NBA adds expansion teams, we hear about how championships don't mean as much because the league is diluted, despite the fact that you'll have to face the best teams in the final rounds of the playoffs.
I feel like I'm the asshole here when it comes to all the Doncic love. He is a fantastic player and someone I love to watch play, but he has only been in the league 5 years and has won exactly 2 playoff series. He should not be close to the all-time great discussion yet, although in 5-6 years he may be at the top of the discussion. For comparison, Magic won a title his rookie year and his clinching game 6 performance in the finals is legendary. Luka may be at MAgic's level one day, hell he may pass him, but they are not on the same level right now.
I think someone brought it up earlier in this thread, but West's numbers would have been insane with a 3 pt line. It's a shame he only has the one title, but those Celts teams were a buzz saw. I just went down a rabbit hole of watching the 4th qtr of that game and what a performance by West in that 4th, just couldn't get it over the line.
