And Bale and co..
Foreign secretary advice to LGBT fans.... Be respectful
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Had perhaps naively thought the point of the tournament would be to project a more "presentable" image of the country that would at least be undermined by all the negative coverage. But if it's instead about projecting power, particularly within their own geopolitical sphere, then even that hope is dashed.
All very grim. Not sure what negative consequences for Qatar/FIFA we can even hope for.
The & co includes Bale any other player at the World Cup to spineless to stand up for what he believes in.
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Is this that dipshit ambassador twat?
Just making sure. So much anti England/English stuff on the Caf again (as per) hard to wade through.
Is it really that unexpected, though?
Most of these campaigns serve the purpose of clout for them.
Taking the knee for BLM, rainbow armbands, MeToo movement.
Celebs and sportsmen want to APPEAR as if they care, but if anything affects them in the slightest, they're the quickest out the door.
As I said before, their moral integrity is painfully low to nonexistent.
It's a shame that people die for their rights and beliefs on one side, while on the other, someone won't even risk not kicking a football for a day.
But that’s not a religion though (well, kinda was).
So pretty much anyone associated with this World Cup then? FIFA, FAs, Players and fans alike.
Their chance to stand up and say a massive feck you and show solidarity was to not go IMO anything after that is just PR to make up for the decision to go.
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So they get booked for pulling on a shirt to stop an attack, but taking a card to support the ideal of standing against discrimination is too much? There’s no push back against taking the knee, that’s the point. It’s easy. If you can’t take a stand when it’s hard, you’re a fecking coward. And you have no business taking a stand when it’s easy, because at that point you’re just following like a sheep.
The fact you don’t know what Alex Scott has to do with all these says it all really.
It was a political philosophy (if you can call it that) that people chose to believe in. Much like people choose to believe in religion.
Seb has become very vocal about this beleifs in past couple of years, not sure if it's an age thing but he stands up for what he believes in, the same goes for Lewis Hamilton as well.
They're the two people who stand out in F1 as they aren't afraid to upset their host, sponsors, governing bodies etc... football in general seems to have sold it's soul to the highest bidder.
Correct. There’s very little difference at all, if any.
Sick to the back teeth of people trying to claim otherwise.
Is this a serious post? You think there’s very little difference between Nazi Germany and Qatar hosting a World Cup?
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...colours-with-meek-surrender-in-armband-fiasco
"Every man has a limit. A place they will not be taken, a line that will not be crossed, a point at which they bend and break. And as England’s footballers peeled off their smart blue training jackets a few minutes before 4pm local time at the Khalifa International Stadium, perhaps we discovered theirs."
"Every man has a limit. A place they will not be taken, a line that will not be crossed, a point at which they bend and break. And as England’s footballers peeled off their smart blue training jackets a few minutes before 4pm local time at the Khalifa International Stadium, perhaps we discovered theirs."
There are differences but there are similarities.
Very little difference between choosing to believe in political philosophies and religious ideologies is what was meant by my post.
Especially those who create and oppress the "others".
Sorry but that’s nonsense. There’s fair criticism to be levelled at Qatar but crowbarring Nazi Germany into the discussion is just disingenuous sensationalism.
Fair dos. I somewhat disagree but I kinda get your overall point.
I didn't crowbar it in, I joined a conversation.
I said there was similarities and by that I mean there is the demonisation of a section of society built into the identify of the state. Can you argue otherwise?
If we don't recognise the similaruties early and however slight we are destined for trouble.
I’m not saying you did - the fact that it’s been crowbarred in at all is disingenuous sensationalism. There’s a term for it but it escapes me (ie people making unhelpful analogies to Nazi Germany in any / all discussion).
Hitler used antisemitism as a way to influence nationalism and patriotism. I mean, frankly speaking I really don’t need to list out the atrocities he committed against the Jews at the time. There’s nothing remotely similar happening in Qatar. Unless you can find LGBT community members businesses being trashed, or them being rounded up and put into concentration camps and exterminated?
Banning an armband or the foreign sec asking LGBT community members to respect the host’s culture doesn’t make Qatar (or Fifa) Nazi Germany. Like I said in my original post there’s fair criticism to be had, but bringing Nazi Germany into the conversation is nonsense.
I get the thrust of what you are saying but banning armbands is not the actual problem. That's quite disengenuous to suggest it is. Its the codified banning of homosexuality that is the issue. But yes a heavy handed comparison. I did say initially there were differences, so you don't have to point them out. I also said the similarities were slight. Maybe so slight you don't agree that they are similarities at all. And that's fine, it wasn't my point initially.
For me once you create the others Niemoller springs to mind.
What a dick.
Interesting exchange in the replies to that Tweet that seems like a parody of all the nonsensical whataboutery on here.
Wait he's a member of their government?
Don't think so. He's an academic of some kind, it seems.
The other poster refers to the "homosexuality = brain damage" guy (the World Cup ambassador).
What does it say? I’m aware of Alex Scott’s sexuality but she’s not a current player, so I’m afraid it’s irrelevant to the point of discussion around the England players.
I’d prefer they followed through with it, but I can understand the decision not to. Fifa should be taking the flak here far more than the players but they aren’t really, which doesn’t seem right to me. Not only is the rule stupid, but they’ve changed the rule the day before the first game. I’m sure this was on purpose to stop any other ideas, rainbow boots, socks etc, over which Fifa would have little say.
Also, the players have taken absolute pelters for taking the knee constantly. There has been continuous pushback against doing it, both in stadiums and online. Even today there were boos.
There is one big difference.
With religion you'll likely believe what you're told as a child and carry that through your entire life. Rigidly. So your faith is entirely dependent on where and when you were born. It's pure chance you believe in the god you do. Born somewhere else, to a different family, in a different time, it would be a different belief system you carry for life.
Your political leaning is much more flexible. It's commonplace for young people to support a different party to their parents etc. Or for an individual to support one party, then change at some point. External factors as you grow older are much more influential in your political choice.
All true.
I took the other post to mean once the choice is made its a similar psychosis; if the political party is built a certain way. Political ideologies and theologies can look the same in their manifestation.
Also shes making a stand on a platform which has already decided against showing the opening ceremony in favour of a discussion about the problems with Qatar.
Her actions today werent going to generate any pushback so I don't know why the players are getting pelters for "Only taking a stand when there isn't any push back" and celebrating a pundit for ... Taking a stand where there wasn't/ isn't any pushback.
By all means celebrate anyone raising awareness but don't use them as a stick to beat people who have to operate under a completely different set of rules.
I don't know whether you know but the Nazis weren't very nice to gays either.
There should be another law for the constant invocation of Godwin's law. As if you cannot draw any parallel to a horrific regime for anything other than systemic genocide.
As in almost every country in the world. Conversion therapy is actually more wide spread in the USA than in these conservative Muslim countries. In places like Qatar homophobic parents are less likely to admit they have a gay kid "in need" of conversion to begin with.
The first meaning is partially true. You can get arrested and get beaten for what they would call “exposing depravity”. It certainly isn't happening as often as you seem to think (the reason is of course that almost all the gay people there are living it very discreetly).
Nobody has been executed for sodomy in Qatar ever. Actually, they had a death penalty Hiatus until recently. And broke it, killing a Nepali national convicted of murder.
https://nepalesevoice.com/nepal/nep...grant worker identified,al-Ramajani al-Nuaimi.
The regime in Qatar is awful, but most of the other potential WC hosts have pretty bad human rights records too (Iceland and Ecuador can't host a WC...). Suffice to look at who hosted the last one... None of them is Nazi Germany though. Not even Saudi Arabia or North Korea, actually. Nazi Germany was something else. You may want to read about it before bringing it up.
Again, willing to take a yellow for cheating in the game. Not willing to take a yellow to stand up for abused people. Is your hero worship so clouded your eyes that you can’t see the issue? Black Lives Matter as long as it’s ok. LGBT people can go feck themselves though, because starting a match with a yellow is just too much. Millionaires shitting themselves to take a stand because if a fecking game. And no, getting pushback on twitter from racist arseholes is not systemic bigotry. It’s not even fecking close. ”boo” like at a fecking pantomime? Oh yeah, scary stuff.
Harry Kane could have taken a rule book out on to the pitch and then throw at the ref saying “point to where it says wearing a rainbow arm band is a yellow card offence?“. And then every fecking player should have walked off if the yellow card was still produced.
Footballers, for whatever dumb reason, are seen as role models. But instead of the national team being those role models, Alex Scott stepped up and did it for them. Their money, their status, their ambition for a fecking game was more important to them. feck the lot them. feck fifa as well, but feck them right along side. Pathetic, self serving, pieces of shit.
Honest question, have you guys who wanted Kane etc to take the yellow actually ever done something like that in your field of work? Roy Keane is talking shite, he would not have done anything either.
Realistically, the footballers simply don't care. Its the FA chiefs making the decisions for them and the likes of Kane have to agree because its easier than disagreeing but I highly doubt many of them care that much. And you know what, and this is going to trigger some in here....the fans (English) don't really care either. Any regular match going person can tell you how homophobic English crowds are. Theres a reason not a single active PL player has come out yet.
And still no one has answered this..
Realistically, the footballers simply don't care. Its the FA chiefs making the decisions for them and the likes of Kane have to agree because its easier than disagreeing but I highly doubt many of them care that much. And you know what, and this is going to trigger some in here....the fans (English) don't really care either. Any regular match going person can tell you how homophobic English crowds are. Theres a reason not a single active PL player has come out yet.
And still no one has answered this..
What does Uefa have to say about the fifa threat to dish out yellow cards to players wearing armbands?
I’ve always though as rich as Uefa is they could coax fifa into their way of thinking. Maybe Uefa doesn’t care?
I’ve always though as rich as Uefa is they could coax fifa into their way of thinking. Maybe Uefa doesn’t care?
England and the other Western countries, with their behaviour here, have screamed:
"WE HAVE VALUES! WE HAVE GREAT VALUES! AND WE STAND BY OUR VALUES ... but only if there are zero negative consequences for us."
Simple, isn't it?
"WE HAVE VALUES! WE HAVE GREAT VALUES! AND WE STAND BY OUR VALUES ... but only if there are zero negative consequences for us."
Simple, isn't it?