Couldnt care less about other players outside United.
If a player is not a United legend then i really do not care wich was my point.
The comprehensive Ronaldo thread
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Cruyff is definitely in the discussion for Top 5, to be fair — when you consider what he did at Ajax (transformed from minnows to European heavyweights), in terms of advancing the game as a player (perfecting the offensive fundamentals laid by the likes of Sindelar, Hidegkuti or di Stéfano in the preceding decades), and spearheading the Netherlands with one of the most outstanding individual and collective performances in the 1974 World Cup (which remains one of the benchmarks of international football, to the present day). His high ratings are not retroactive or just from “hipsters” (whose views should be summarily discarded according to some), but leading sporting publications from back in the day, regardless of national affiliation or biases. Messi and Cristiano obviously carry significant historical heft, and have disturbed some of the these long-standing orders, but the general point remains — Cruyff is very much in the discussion for Top 5-ish of all time for global football (and Top 3 of all time for Europe, along with other worthy candidates like Cristiano, Beckenbauer, Puskás and Platini).
I’d say Ronaldo was faster with the ball and had better balance.
Nah. Cruyff sat tidily as the best european player ever before Cristiano Ronaldo.
Damn that is so cringe worthy.
He's been rated like this since his playing days.
Ouch. Black arctic rectum has been steamrolled with this one.
His family lying to him constantly.
Thought so. I read that Cryuff has the 2nd most assists in history just short of Puskas as well.
Now i hate his family as well.
Sad to see. But then again looking at how he’s lashed out at us and ETH imagine if they didn’t.
I am genuinely gobsmacked that anyone tried for the hot take that Cruyff, who had the joint most Balon D'ors before Messi/CR7 arrived, was "not in the discussion for top 5" of all time.
I'm more surprised by the idea that his reputation increased when it's quite obviously the opposite. Ironically, it's the most "hipster" view shared on this forum in a while.
Tied for most outlandish claim of the thread along with "Ronaldo catapulted United into global fame"
No wonder he's turned into a narcissistic, entitled, deluded dickhead when he has people like that around him.
I always wonder if people do it for likes/clicks to get attention OR are they really living in so tragic delusion.
My bet it's the former for Ronaldo sis, and the latter for Ronaldo himself.
I am convinced that he will score an important goal in this World Cup. And that’s all it’ll take for the narrative to shift back to him being the most clutch player of all time.
his performances this season wouldnt be getting ridiculed as much if he was conducting himself in an orderly manner. He’s just a massive bellend.
his performances this season wouldnt be getting ridiculed as much if he was conducting himself in an orderly manner. He’s just a massive bellend.
He'll dive and score a penalty in the final
It's ridiculous what world has turned into.
This is sad to see.
Of course, idiot Piers would put a positive spin onto it. I'm sure all these photographers were just heeding advice from their editors. feck the game, feck football, we need Ronaldo. It's not about the game, it's about Ronaldo.
This is sad to see.
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Of course, idiot Piers would put a positive spin onto it. I'm sure all these photographers were just heeding advice from their editors. feck the game, feck football, we need Ronaldo. It's not about the game, it's about Ronaldo.
They always do this and act like Ronaldo was just numbers, as if the guy isn’t one of the most gifted that ever played. It’s such a ridiculous take.
Aye, that did seem like a bit much. Plus, there are sooo many Cruyff matches in public circulation now (more than 40 on Footballia alone, including major tournaments and finals), as well as relatively detailed statistics (which highlight his goal scoring prowess as well as supreme creative genius):
Even a casual fan of the sport can bask in the glory of several days' worth of footage, if they choose to. Laudrup was a incredible player in his own right — flawed but outrageously talented, and one of the icons of football in the latter portions of the 20th century; no one should dispute that — however, he shouldn't ever be placed in the same tier as Cruyff (who was a completely different kettle of fish).
There is some excuse for his family.
His ego was too big. It was a big surprise for him when he failed to get a move away from Man Utd in the summer. No big clubs wanted him. He refused to train all summer confident of getting himself a new club. But when he failed he came back to the team and created all sort of dramas before he was sacked by the club.
Now he was also dropped by Portugal coach. I wonder if he is regretting now getting himself sacked by Man Utd. Not sure which club is willing to take him now with such problematic character and drama surrounding this 37 years old.
Now he was also dropped by Portugal coach. I wonder if he is regretting now getting himself sacked by Man Utd. Not sure which club is willing to take him now with such problematic character and drama surrounding this 37 years old.
Yup I felt the same too.
It's pretty obvious stuff like this is why he feels so emboldened to do things like walk away from his celebrating team mates down the tunnel or walk off before the final whistle.
If you have a personality (disorder?) that makes it easy to believe that the team should revolve around you and then the world's media treats you like this it pretty much confirms your suspicions.
As a dane, Michael Laudrup was my favourite footballer growing up and I still rate him as one of the most naturally talented footballers ever, but Cryuff was the embodiment of the total footballer. Laudrup didnt really tackle much or defend and he tried to avoid aerial duels and heading the ball much because he was afraid of damaging his brain. He was one of the most graceful playmakers ever though and his highlight reel is incredible but Cryuff is in a tier above.Aye, that did seem like a bit much. Plus, there are sooo many Cruyff matches in public circulation now (more than 40 on Footballia alone, including major tournaments and finals), as well as relatively detailed statistics (which highlight his goal scoring prowess as well as supreme creative genius):
Even a casual fan of the sport can bask in the glory of several days' worth of footage, if they choose to. Laudrup was a incredible player in his own right — flawed but outrageously talented, and one of the icons of football in the latter portions of the 20th century; no one should dispute that — however, he shouldn't ever be placed in the same tier as Cruyff (who was a completely different kettle of fish).
It really is dumb.
Totally ignoring the 60s European Cup. Busby babes etc. Not to mention SAF and the 1990s.
Or the obvious fact that Ronaldo used Manchester Uniteds world wide fame (as well as his outrageous talent) as a platform to catapult himself to superstardom.
In the early part of his career United contributed far more to Ronaldo's fame than Ronaldo did to Uniteds.
PR37 has brought the 'struggle' upon himself. Getting some shit in return is just karma.
This cuts both ways as Ronaldo's biggest fans are often the first to parrot off a list of stats when talking up his greatness.
Yeah if you take away the stats then his all-round play doesn't stack up against the likes of Pele, Maradona and Messi (The guys who usually lead the GOAT conversation).
Ive seen much less of Cruff/ Platini and Laudrup than a lot of people here but from the little I've seen their technique and passing etc were superior too.
If you offered me peak R9 or CR7 I would go with R9 every single time but I can't say that as a reason why he's better than CR7 because statistically (longevity and achievements) CR7 dominates him.
The one area where I could confidently put Ronaldo up against some of the GOATS would be heading ability/ aerial dominance where I genuinely believe he was one of the greatest.
I think Ronaldo at his peak had very good set of attributes. Like a good passer and crosser, just he didnt pass like best ever at it, was a good(some seasons great) dribbler just not as good as the best ever at it etc. Was great at freekicks which for some reason declined massively at some point, but he was a incredibly well rounded forward who delivered all the goals he promised. If you watch all his assists for Man Utd and Real Madrid they were pretty good too. Not the best of the best, but defintely good.
Yeah the idea that Cruyff’s reputation has gone up as he got older is laughable in fact I believe at one point before Maradona he was in regular conversations as the best player ever with Pele, and my dad’s generation, one of the first players he would have told me about was Cruyff.
Won the European Cup three times and to boil down his games for Barcelona to just goals is wrong, I watched him play a game for Barcelona and what a game it was to behold, he kept picking the ball up at the back and deep midfield and driving at the opposition with brilliant dribbling on a shite pitch, he was pretty much running the whole game, like Modric now with peak Messi direct dribbling. Everything went through him and he was a class above. Ronaldo could never do that, for example.
Won the European Cup three times and to boil down his games for Barcelona to just goals is wrong, I watched him play a game for Barcelona and what a game it was to behold, he kept picking the ball up at the back and deep midfield and driving at the opposition with brilliant dribbling on a shite pitch, he was pretty much running the whole game, like Modric now with peak Messi direct dribbling. Everything went through him and he was a class above. Ronaldo could never do that, for example.
Yeah don't get me wrong I'm not saying he wasn't good (in fact he was great), just that for him to be In contention for the best ever label his in game performances have to be "subsidised" (not the right word really but just continuing on from.the statistical conversation) with his statistical achievements because on a technical level I don't believe hes in a top 10 (personally).