We would still be in the same boat if the vote never happened at this particular time. Look at Europe. You can also say whether the Tories or Labour was in power now we would be in the same boat. Of course events happening in the world affect local policy, but apart from war we havent had anything as extraordinary as covid and Putin cutting the power off immediately after.
Would you be okay with state or state-backed ownership?
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Induvials, consortiums or at most a family group. League football is not a rich country's World Cup.
Do you think the second option is doable? I have my doubts. If the Glazers could bring in new investment and retain control, then said investor would be looking to recoup a huge return. Or am I wrong?
Going state owned will be a terrible loss of prestige for the club.
From top 3 globally to irrelevancy.
Can't imagine the feeling of going to an away game as a supporter after something like that.
Although you could always head over to the city forums for coping strategies I guess.
Also why not try to operate somewhat competently as a club for more than a few months before we decide we need an endless supply of money to get anywhere.
From top 3 globally to irrelevancy.
Can't imagine the feeling of going to an away game as a supporter after something like that.
Although you could always head over to the city forums for coping strategies I guess.
Also why not try to operate somewhat competently as a club for more than a few months before we decide we need an endless supply of money to get anywhere.
Again, no matter what is voted on something is going to happen in the years after than can be pointed at and idiots say “LOOK, NOBODY COULD HAVE PREDICTED THAT SO WE CAN’T JUDGE!”
Also again, Brexit and Russia are so closely aligned that the two can’t be separated. Brexit was an example of the power that Russia held that made them feel unstoppable and encouraged to invade for instance.
The fact of the matter is the UK has been hit worse than the vast majority, if not all, of the EU on all of these things. That is evidence whether you like it or not.
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Chap if you can give me any other example since 1945 where the country has had to in 2 years chuck £56 BILLION in a black hole, COVID, with no chance of a return (so now we all got to pay more taxes) and had to pay over 300% more in one year for power through Putins actions, I will say you are right. The fact Brexit has happened at the same time is why you cant judge whether it would have worked or not.
As for you saying Europe is doing better is bizarre. France 6.2% inflation, Spain 7.3%, Germany 10%, Italy 12.6%, Holland 14.3%. The smaller countries are the same or worse. UK rate is 9.6%.
How do you reckon Russia and Brexit is aligned? Did we say to Putin you wait till we start Brexit and 2 years later invade Ukraine and we will back them with weapons, then you slow the gas and oil down and...
Exactly. He then said Righto we will invade Ukraine and you pump the weapons to them and you sanction us and destroy our economy.
It doesn't matter who comes in when or if the Glazers decide to sell because none of us have a say in the matter. Just hope that whoever takes over does a good job because if a sale does go through it'll be a very long time before the club is sold again after this.
The facts are fans/supporters can do nothing about who owns the club, the only option if you don't like the owners is to go and support another club, or stop going to matches, buying club merchandise, etc. The Glazers are hated basically because they are not football people and see the club only as a 'cash cow', they will leave when they are ready and who takes over is actually up to them.
I can honestly say as a lifelong supporter I am not bothered, nor ever have been, about who owns the club. Of course, like other supporters I've been angered by what previous owners have done, e.g., the way Mark Hughes transfer to Barcelona was undertaken by Martin Edwards, and more recently the current owners buying, usually of 'ageing' players to sell shirts, rather than will they improve the team (obviously managers have something to do with that as well) etc.
However, any influence supporters might have had on ownership was lost when Martin Edwards turned the Edwards 'family hobby' of owning United into its main family business... the die was cast!
I can honestly say as a lifelong supporter I am not bothered, nor ever have been, about who owns the club. Of course, like other supporters I've been angered by what previous owners have done, e.g., the way Mark Hughes transfer to Barcelona was undertaken by Martin Edwards, and more recently the current owners buying, usually of 'ageing' players to sell shirts, rather than will they improve the team (obviously managers have something to do with that as well) etc.
However, any influence supporters might have had on ownership was lost when Martin Edwards turned the Edwards 'family hobby' of owning United into its main family business... the die was cast!
The idea that you shouldn’t care about who owns the club because you don’t have a say in the matter is wild. The average person has no more meaningful say in politics, should we not care about that too? What about some horrific crime committed in your city? You didn’t have a say in that, so I guess it’s not worth caring.
To be a sentient person with any sense of morals requires caring about things over which you have no control.
To be a sentient person with any sense of morals requires caring about things over which you have no control.
I would not want United to be a mechanism for sports washing for some dictator, no.
We don't even need it. All we need is to operate with the money that we make (from us, the fans), we can spend. We need to be rid of leaches, not to have a benefactor with disgusting motives.
We don't even need it. All we need is to operate with the money that we make (from us, the fans), we can spend. We need to be rid of leaches, not to have a benefactor with disgusting motives.
How have you jumped from not caring about who owns a football club, to not caring about politics or crime?
I speak only for myself, and I do not care who owns the club, because other than withdrawing my support I have no option. I still want the club to be run properly, but I am not going to lose sleep over who owns it... to do that would be wild!
I lived there for a year, so there's no ignorance pal
Imagine thinking you understand a place because you lived there for a year.
But the mouth watering thing about oil ownership is that Chelsea, PSG, City and Newcastle are all doing good thus far.
I don't think Dubai owner would do a worse job than Russian, Qatari, Abu Dhabi and Saudi owners.
I don't think Dubai owner would do a worse job than Russian, Qatari, Abu Dhabi and Saudi owners.
We have tolerated the worst owners for more than a decade. Seeing them destroyed the club. We were once one of the best club in the world competing in major trophies year in year out.
Then came Glazers saddled the clubs with debts, let the infrastructure rots, appoint an accountant to run the football club, take dividends out of the club and took more than 1 bil out. Needless to say we are now the biggest laughing stock in world football.
For me as a fan, I just want to have a good owner regardless it's individual or state ownership. I can't choose who is the owner and I can't stop supporting Man Utd.
Then came Glazers saddled the clubs with debts, let the infrastructure rots, appoint an accountant to run the football club, take dividends out of the club and took more than 1 bil out. Needless to say we are now the biggest laughing stock in world football.
For me as a fan, I just want to have a good owner regardless it's individual or state ownership. I can't choose who is the owner and I can't stop supporting Man Utd.
I understand this, but at the same time, I don’t think the Glazers would be selling the club if the fans hadn’t tanked the super league idea or constantly fought the ownership. Protesting doesn’t always work but it can definitely be an influencing factor in decisions and it’s worth a go if it’s the difference between Saudi owners or not.
Sorry, but I think the Glazers can see the 'cash cow' starting to need 'new pastures' (a new stadium at least) and spending more on players to get the ones the manager really wants, not who will sell most shirts. The super league will be back, the mass media enterprises will see to that, but it would be too long before the owners will see their return, in the meantime they would have to stump up billions, for stadium, players etc.
Glazers always viewed United as business, they grew the asset from £0.8B to a currently estimated £5/6B, so in their grand plan, it is now probably the time to let go.
The problem for supporters is that the Glazers are in complete control of the price, the timing, and ultimate it is they who will choose the new owner. No prizes for guessing what their criteria will be!
We fans/supporters could find ourselves in the unfortunate position of 'being careful what you wish for'. The fans are passionate about the club but the protests I doubt ever really disturbed the Glazers, since every time United appeared on the front page/main news bulletin, as well as the sports section, I suspect even more cash flowed into the Glazers coffers.
I am not suggesting fans shouldn't protest, but some of the 'cutting your nose off to spite your face' ideas that occasionally surface on the Red Cafe postings are frankly barmy!
Democracy only works properly if nearly every piece of media doesn’t lie through its teeth so that there billionaire owners / friends of theres can profit heavily while not living in the country / feeling any of the negatives.
I frankly find it amazing how many peoples opinion lines up exactly with what the press promotes. All the problems in the uk atm and the biggest one people are talking about is some people in dinghy’s coming across because that’s what the media is pushing at the moment.
I don’t object to ownership by another sovereign in principle, although I can’t deny that it’s distasteful, but I don’t want to see United be owned by murdering thugs. But I also wouldn’t want to see United owned by private individuals who are thugs in their own right. (And I would walk away from United in a heartbeat should that ever come to pass.).
Presumably FA rules would preclude the possibility of truly bad actors (say El Chapo on the one end all the way to Kanye West, an avowed admirer of Hitler and maggot brain antisemite on the other.) from acquiring a prem club.
Presumably FA rules would preclude the possibility of truly bad actors (say El Chapo on the one end all the way to Kanye West, an avowed admirer of Hitler and maggot brain antisemite on the other.) from acquiring a prem club.
I think those concerned about state-linked ownership shouldn't worry too much.
Football clubs aren't desirable investments in the near term considering the European economy and the ripple effects.
More importantly, the illegal asset seizures and sanctions have sent a chill to state investment vehicles from the Global South, who are actively looking to diversify from such risks. The bigger picture is that many distressed assets in Europe over the coming years will go for a significantly lower price.
The neo-colonisation of Europe is already happening with important industrial companies being pulled over to the US, and it's only going to get worse. But hey, at least Europe is being exploited by rentiers and oligarchs from the new world.
Football clubs aren't desirable investments in the near term considering the European economy and the ripple effects.
More importantly, the illegal asset seizures and sanctions have sent a chill to state investment vehicles from the Global South, who are actively looking to diversify from such risks. The bigger picture is that many distressed assets in Europe over the coming years will go for a significantly lower price.
The neo-colonisation of Europe is already happening with important industrial companies being pulled over to the US, and it's only going to get worse. But hey, at least Europe is being exploited by rentiers and oligarchs from the new world.
It's MIddlesbrough. There's not a lot to understand. It's full of bone-headed ***
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Yeah, I have Literally no idea what any of this means.
That's exactly what a 'bone-headed mongoloid' would say. Disgusting ableist, racist language btw, actually vile.
He's saying because Chelsea got seized by the UK government, why should any other billionaire ever buy a club in the UK (or Europe) ever again. Which has some merit actually - if the government show they can't be trusted not to take away your plaything, then what value does it have really.
...then he spergs out something anti-American and suggests all our industries are getting stolen by the USA (?) amid a general fear of the Global South, whoever they are @Pronewbie ?????
It is true that it has happening and should not be seized. It is daylight robbery.
The problem is being allowed to be sold in the first place, not taking it back.
People used to understand this. Nowadays they do not see their own culpability simply by living in said country and benefitting from all it offers.
thanks anyway.It's funny, every time someone cries about Europe being a shit place to live, I have never heard what's the alternative. It's certainly not the US where a civil war is brewing or China/India, etc.
State backed ownership >>>> American consortium
I do. Please Dubai, come and buy us.
As long as the owners invest in the best in class football management personnel, stadium, training facilities and have alignment that success of United as a football team (including players to bring in) is their primary objective, I would be fine either way.
Lots of places outside of those said countries.
Not the thread for it but feel free to list them because I'm pretty sure we don't have the same criteria for a place I'd want to live (permanently).
You never heard of Australia? Pretty big country, you can't really miss it if you look at a map. Canada also offers a good standard of life. In an ideal world I'd own a farm in central France and see out my days there, just a magnificent place to be. I disagree Europe is a shit place to live, some parts are, others are great, much like any continent.
US won't have a civil war, that's just a silly conspiracy agenda being pushed by bots and gullible people.
I agree with the super League point, not so much fan protest.
We were attractive to the Glazers because the football market was on the cusp of significant increases in television revenue.
The super League would have been another cash bonanza that would swell the value of their asset. With that off the table, the landscape for significant growth in revenues without spending is not very promising.
From a purely financial aspect it makes sense for them to sell now.
Yes but the super league was tanked due to fan protest so the two things are completely linked.