He's still reeling from Ole getting sacked.
Ralf Rangnick's consultancy role has been scrapped
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Easier to call him out but you are forgetting that Liverpool had 92 points last season, were UCL finalists and winners of other remaining cups. We are miles aways from achieving any of that. Maybe the mickey mouse cups.
"6 years ahead of us" is still exaggerated since we were struggling at the time just like they are now but how many times were we able to compete against them or any good team for that matter before ETH?
I still think he was a massive asset to our team. He was the first to highlight the clear deficiency the former Cardiff manager left behind
This thread again? 'kinell
I'm quite happy with Woghurst to be our purchase in the summer, I think he gives us 2 new players and 1 better one. I'm going to say Pellistri will play with the lanky cfwd and Martial back to his best position on the LW rotating with Rashford and Garnacho, its always been his best position and I'm yet to be convinced that he is a primary cfwd.
I'd actually like to see us have an alternative to Eriksen and Casimiro, stop them being overplayed and too tired at squeaky bum time. I think the squad is pretty good and it's just a cleaning job of removing the players who are unable to play a role in the squad.
You still talk about the correctly sacked Ole more than anyone else on here.
To be fair correct or not it was widely reported that Rangnick's pay off was £15m. Bit harsh to call someone a liar for repeating that.
Is that a serious question
He will likely be one of the best players of his generation over the next decade. Ten Hag would get him now if he could and play him in every big match
The article posted to back up the figure says exactly what I said though?
Cant believe there are still people defending this loser. Throwing players under the bus to make himself look good. To think he even dare dreamt of taking the job full time. He’s a frigging disaster, easily the worse manager we had post-SAF, worse than even fecking Moyes.
Weghorst hasn’t even kicked a ball for us and yet you’re happy for him to be our summer striker signing? We need a top class striker mate.
Rangnick was an absolute disaster. I can’t believe that there are people on here still defending him.
100% agree mate.
You're ignoring that Liverpool has gone backwards and that we are still a fairly fragile work in progress for whom top four will be a big achievement. To get to the point of winning the league and the Champion's league in the way Liverpool did will take a lot more time. It helps that the City and Liverpool projects are beginning to collapse.
But yes it's fundamentally true that ETH has made rapid strides because he has efficiently picked the low hanging fruit of introducing quality coaching, modern tactics and getting rid of or benching the most problematic players (Ronaldo, Pogba, Maguire).
We have Antony, Casemiro, Martinez, Garnacho, Malacia, Weghourst, Eriksen. Thats 7 new payers. We still need a top midfielder and striker. Thats 9. And thats at least. Others argue we still need a keeper, CB, RB etc. Not that fking crzy was he?
But we did end up signing a lot of new players, and those new signings have been integral in contribution and refreshing the squad.
Bit dishonest because he also said a rebuild could take a season. 6 years behind isn't the same as it will take us 6 years to get there, we know this because he said the exact opposite, that we could do it relatively quick if we recruited right. We have also brought close to 10 players. This is a terrible bump.
Wouldn’t count Weghorst yet as he hasn’t kicked a ball for us yet but I agree with the rest of your post.
Absolute fraud of a manager. Always blamed someone else and took zero responsibility. Displayed no tactical acumen and existing players got actively worse under his regime.
Mosdt of those players are transitionals too. Eriksen and Casemiro will both need replacing in 2-4 years time. The others are probably good enough to win something but aren't the best of the best. Top players join top teams so that comes first. I imagine the odds of Bellingham choosing Liverpool are a bit longer right now, for example.
I recall that we only wanted him until the summer anyway and the consultancy was a condition he imposed (to make the whole thing worth his while I suppose).
It’s pretty clear now that ETH sees his role as similar to SAF - head coach but also general manager of the entire football operation, and with influence beyond that. There’s probably no room for the kind of consultant RR would have been.
It’s pretty clear now that ETH sees his role as similar to SAF - head coach but also general manager of the entire football operation, and with influence beyond that. There’s probably no room for the kind of consultant RR would have been.
Jeez, are people still defending the guy?
feckin Ragnick. Can we just not?
What does this actually mean? I don't know what diagnosing the problem entails beyond what anyone that has watched us play football over the last few years knows. It sounds nice for Ralf but seems fairly empty as an idea. I can diagnose someone is ill but it requires a professional to identify the crux of the issue then actually sort it out.
Surely as a manager or interim your job is not merely to talk a good game about what problems you have found. That is next to useless if you do nothing about it, and then the next manager pays no attention to your conclusions.
I fecking hope not. Feeble quitting bastard.
Like a hard turd this thread just won't flush.
Google Rangnick £15m pay off and you get multiple headlines stating Rangnick got paid £15m. I'll be honest based on the stories I seen over the summer and before today I thought it was £15m as well.
If me or you had repeated that on here I don't think that would make either of us a liar mate. Misilead or misnformed would be more appropriate.
Remember the 4-2-2-2 formation 
If you posted an article to prove your point that actually said something totally different though? Which was what they did..
It doesn’t matter where the manager comes from, if they are capable. Ultimately ole wasn’t up to a long term job, even if he was a great interim.
I think the reality is all of our managers since Sir Alex have been a necessary step to get here.
Moyes showed us that it wasn’t just Sir Alexs dour scottish persona or committing to a manager being here long term that made his era special. We needed a character that the players could believe in.
Van Gaal showed us that it wasnt just having a massive personality and being an old school disciplinarian that made Sir Alex great. We also needed a ruthless winning mentality with a recent history of success.
Mourinho showed us that the magic of Sir Alex was about more than just winning at any cost. We needed attacking football and to stick to our philosophy of developing youth.
Ole showed us that the success of Sir Alexs era was built on more than just a respect for the clubs traditions and a belief in young players. We needed a modern coach.
Rangnick showed us what Sir Alex already knew instinctively - not every player/coach is built to play for Manchester United at the theatre of dreams. We needed someone who could identify the right blend of character and talent; and then have the skill to nurture it.
What we needed is what we now have… Erik ten Hag.
Moyes showed us that it wasn’t just Sir Alexs dour scottish persona or committing to a manager being here long term that made his era special. We needed a character that the players could believe in.
Van Gaal showed us that it wasnt just having a massive personality and being an old school disciplinarian that made Sir Alex great. We also needed a ruthless winning mentality with a recent history of success.
Mourinho showed us that the magic of Sir Alex was about more than just winning at any cost. We needed attacking football and to stick to our philosophy of developing youth.
Ole showed us that the success of Sir Alexs era was built on more than just a respect for the clubs traditions and a belief in young players. We needed a modern coach.
Rangnick showed us what Sir Alex already knew instinctively - not every player/coach is built to play for Manchester United at the theatre of dreams. We needed someone who could identify the right blend of character and talent; and then have the skill to nurture it.
What we needed is what we now have… Erik ten Hag.
The Rangnick fiasco was like going out on the piss and pulling a “fit” bird. Then waking up the next day and thinking WTF is that!
What kind of combination of drink and/or drugs would make you pull Ralf Rangnick?
8th of coke, bitta Jager and a welly load of pints should do the trick.What kind of combination of drink and/or drugs would make you pull Ralf Rangnick?
That would leave me face down in a ditch unable to remember a thing which fortunately would prevent me from pulling Rangnick.
Totally different?
We're getting off topic here so this is all I'll say.
If I made a post saying Rangnick got a £15m pay-off (Which was the widely reported figure). But then later followed that up by posting an article that claims it was actually £14.7m shared between Rangnick and his staff (so Chris Armas and a shrink). Or something to that effect.
Yeah I'd think it was harsh and a bit unnecessary if someone called me a liar. That's just my opinion though mate, you do you.
Let's break this down,
Firstly lets look at where Liverpool actually where last season. 92 points in the league, won both domestic cups and runner up in the Champions League.
Now lets look at where they are now. Out of one cup already and on course for a 60 point season.
Do those two situations look the same to you? Do we think Liverpool are in the same place they were last year when the comparison was made?
Now lets look at us, in the EL where we finished second in our group, still in both cups and on for an 80 point season.
We've currently signed six new players.
Rangnick said "If you analyse the situation it is not difficult to analyse. For me, it is clear there will be six, seven, eight, maybe ten new players. Before you sign those players you need to be aware how you want to play."
So given we're not especially close to Liverpool's position last year, and we've already signed 6 players, all of whom fit our current managers style very closely. What is supposed to be unrealistic about needing 1-4 more to become a 90+ point team and a force in the CL exactly?
It seems to me like Rangnick was spot on.
It's been predicted United could find themselves out in the wilderness for several seasons to come as new Dutch boss Erik ten Hag takes time to install a new culture at Old Trafford. But speaking before his final match in charge of United, German coach Rangnick says it can be done quicker with the right moves in the transfer market.
Outgoing interim boss Rangnick said: “Yes, I strongly believe that and I know that from my own experience. I developed teams from level four to Champions League and level three to Champions League.
“This is obviously different here because United are already in the Premier League and we are a club with high expectations with a big tradition of being successful. But you can only find what you need if you know what you are looking for and you need to know that in advance. This also depends on how Erik wants to play? If you saw Ajax or his U-23 team at Bayern Munich play then it's pretty obvious how that will be.
"And for me it's also clear what kind of players he needs to help him to be successful. There will be changes, players will be leaving because their contracts have expired so there will be space for new players. We also spoke about the last transfer window in January where we and the board decided not to sign any players but this is different now. In this summer window there will be some new players and Erik will also have some influence on which kind of player he wants.
“That will happen in this window and hopefully the next two windows and I think it's obvious to everybody for the owners, the board and every supporter we need to increase and raise the level of quality within the squad. And as I said if you know what you are looking for and how you want to play then it's a lot easier.”
Outgoing interim boss Rangnick said: “Yes, I strongly believe that and I know that from my own experience. I developed teams from level four to Champions League and level three to Champions League.
“This is obviously different here because United are already in the Premier League and we are a club with high expectations with a big tradition of being successful. But you can only find what you need if you know what you are looking for and you need to know that in advance. This also depends on how Erik wants to play? If you saw Ajax or his U-23 team at Bayern Munich play then it's pretty obvious how that will be.
"And for me it's also clear what kind of players he needs to help him to be successful. There will be changes, players will be leaving because their contracts have expired so there will be space for new players. We also spoke about the last transfer window in January where we and the board decided not to sign any players but this is different now. In this summer window there will be some new players and Erik will also have some influence on which kind of player he wants.
“That will happen in this window and hopefully the next two windows and I think it's obvious to everybody for the owners, the board and every supporter we need to increase and raise the level of quality within the squad. And as I said if you know what you are looking for and how you want to play then it's a lot easier.”
It was misleading and deliberately inaccurate due to agenda.
Not a fan of that. If you are then that’s cool. You do you!
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