Paul the Wolf
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Not this time. Confident a very harsh punishment is coming. Which will also serve as a deterrent to other possible cheats.No hope.
As much as I want them to suffer they won't.
Menial punishment
Not this time. Confident a very harsh punishment is coming. Which will also serve as a deterrent to other possible cheats.No hope.
As much as I want them to suffer they won't.
Menial punishment
Haha, thanks, didn’t know that.Dude, you got featured heavily on Lee Gunner's account. If you have any ambitions for social media, etc. (and honestly we need more of your kind of content), go make yourself known and ask for credit .
The Premier League's lawyerEveryone saying city have great lawyers and will negotiate their way out of the mess. I'm sure the premier league's lawyers are no slouches.
Jesus wept. Talk about missing the point!A stupid argument because the market decided the price .
Just the fact we have Guardiola as assistant would be humiliating for city. I would love it!Phelan replacement?
.... Phelan's more likable
Is the right answer. Followed by City fans celebrating that they were right all along. It's unfortunate but true.They'll get a fine, pay some back hands to top brass for their second homes/Swimming Pools/boats and all will go back to normal.
You heard that as well. It's a conspiracy. Simon Jordan wasn't having it.A city fan just called talksport. Wow. They actually are just like that blue moon forum. Talking about cartels and conspiracy theories and how life isn’t fair.
I had assumed the real life City fans wouldn’t be as paranoid and deluded as those on the online forums. I was wrong.You heard that as well. It's a conspiracy. Simon Jordan wasn't having it.
I’m staggered that someone thinks that grass length 10 years ago would be included in any charges now, and then claims others should do their research.For fans like @Baxter who have no idea what the breaches are but will laugh at others.
https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2023/0...rges-manchester-city-with-financial-breaches/
List of breaches listed on here, I hope you see that Premier league rules K.20 is listed on there.
https://resources.premierleague.com...a4e95f2/PL_Handbook_2022-23_DIGITAL_13.12.pdf
Above is the PL handbook.
K.20. The height of the pitch grass shall not exceed 30mm and the entire playing surface must be cut to the same height. The grass shall be cut so as to display straight, parallel lines across the entire width of the pitch, perpendicular to the touchlines. No other form of pitch presentation (such as circular or diagonal patterns) is permitted
So please do your research before laughing at others
He is worried and cannot accept the situation.I had assumed the real life City fans wouldn’t be as paranoid and deluded as those on the online forums. I was wrong.
Where did you hear about City being charged for short grass? I saw a joke meme post on Twitter saying this, but not any genuine reports…For fans like @Baxter who have no idea what the breaches are but will laugh at others.
https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2023/0...rges-manchester-city-with-financial-breaches/
List of breaches listed on here, I hope you see that Premier league rules K.20 is listed on there.
https://resources.premierleague.com...a4e95f2/PL_Handbook_2022-23_DIGITAL_13.12.pdf
Above is the PL handbook.
K.20. The height of the pitch grass shall not exceed 30mm and the entire playing surface must be cut to the same height. The grass shall be cut so as to display straight, parallel lines across the entire width of the pitch, perpendicular to the touchlines. No other form of pitch presentation (such as circular or diagonal patterns) is permitted
So please do your research before laughing at others
I think this is the best we can expect and honestly, for City it might be acceptable? If they've systematically cheated for 10 years but have won 6 league titles and a bunch of cups, raised their profile/revenue, built our their academy, facilities and fan base then one year in the Championship won't be disasterous if they get to keep all their trophies. Yes they'll probably lose Pep and a bunch of their players, but they'll come up easily and can rebuild. The two problems for them will be the reputational damage and having to rebuild under greater financial scrutiny.I can’t see them being expelled from the league because as bad as this is, there are worse crimes in football and you leave yourself very little room for manoeuvre if you start with expulsion. Juventus went down for match fixing but only got a points deduction for their financial maladministration.
For me if the FFP rules are judged over a 3 season period and carries a penalty of a 15 point deduction, they’ve been breaking the rules for 10 years so it stands to reason they should expect a fine and a 45 point deduction as a minimum.
This would mean Pep would probably leave, they’d probably get relegated (which would be a de facto ban from Europe) and the reduction in revenue wouldn’t quite be a transfer ban, but it would be a transfer limitation.
Is he hand in glove with City?The Premier League's lawyer
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You probably think you've been super clever here and had a great zinger... but the rules changed in the meantime, and k20 for the years of reference isn't k20 in the 22/23 rule book.For fans like @Baxter who have no idea what the breaches are but will laugh at others.
https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2023/0...rges-manchester-city-with-financial-breaches/
List of breaches listed on here, I hope you see that Premier league rules K.20 is listed on there.
https://resources.premierleague.com...a4e95f2/PL_Handbook_2022-23_DIGITAL_13.12.pdf
Above is the PL handbook.
K.20. The height of the pitch grass shall not exceed 30mm and the entire playing surface must be cut to the same height. The grass shall be cut so as to display straight, parallel lines across the entire width of the pitch, perpendicular to the touchlines. No other form of pitch presentation (such as circular or diagonal patterns) is permitted
So please do your research before laughing at others
i am loading up on strepsils today with the full expectation this will be sung for the full 90 minutes tomorrowTo reiterate what I said yesterday...
CITY'S GOING DOWN WITH A BILLION IN THE BANK!
The Premier league after they strip City's titlesThe Premier League's lawyer
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Teams should vote to refuse playing in PL until the cheater is punished severely.If they do not get punished properly you really do wonder if there will be a backlash from the other PL clubs. It will make the PL chiefs look extremely weak if they don't throw the book at them, especially when you look how Italy deal with any wrong doing.
And rightfully so.i am loading up on strepsils today with the full expectation this will be sung for the full 90 minutes tomorrow
Yea that was so strangeAt least there is a tenuous link. The previous deflection on the Sabitzer thread went off into a Chinese language tangent.
Embarrassing is definitely the word. Shame it wasn’t twice, or else I’d post that Pep “twice” gifBut they only spent 100m once on a player.
Embarrassing really from those "fans".
It will take months at least, maybe by the summer. This is not going to be a few points deduction and a slap on the wrist. This will be serious stuff.Anyone know how quickly this will move forward? Wondering if the possible points deduction will happen this season or not. Also feels like any delay gives them a chance to sort out a few things and even possibly sort out future transfer embargos.
I'm assuming that points deduction and transfer embargos is what is likely to happen and relegation/getting kicked out of the league is wishful thinking although I would love for that to happen and this disgraceful lot to be sent to oblivion.
That's what I was thinking.You probably think you've been super clever here and had a great zinger... but the rules changed in the meantime, and k20 for the years of reference isn't k20 in the 22/23 rule book.
I read 'stepsis'i am loading up on strepsils today with the full expectation this will be sung for the full 90 minutes tomorrow
Thanks mate. I also hope it's a lot more serious than just a points deduction and the PL have enough evidence to prove all/most of the charges and take them to the cleaners. Definitely worth the wait if the punishment is severe.It will take months at least, maybe by the summer. This is not going to be a few points deduction and a slap on the wrist. This will be serious stuff.
Yes I'm sure that's what you're faux-outraged about.What outrages me most is that the premier has taken 10 years and more than 100 breaches to open this investigation.
With all the money out there, the Premier League really can't have a team of lawyers to ensure that you comply with the rules?
There are many teams harmed by all this and irreparable consequences.
What outrages me is that with all this cheating, they just about won four of their titles. By goal difference, 1 point and 2 points. Someone owes someone a refund surely.What outrages me most is that the premier has taken 10 years and more than 100 breaches to open this investigation.
With all the money out there, the Premier League really can't have a team of lawyers to ensure that you comply with the rules?
There are many teams harmed by all this and irreparable consequences.
Don't think they can really to that tbh. There's nothing illegal about related part transactions as far as I'm aware.One thing they absolutely have to do is force City to cancel all these 'sponsorships'. Any future sponsorships would need to be rigorously checked and have zero involvement with the owners.
Prevent them from ever doing this any further regardless of what other punishments they get.
I think the thing is, by this point city are a legitimately big club. While we'll all go haha city, they've had a decade of success in a league with massive TV revenues, how they got to this point, has clearly involved financial cheating, but right now I can't imagine they can't attract genuine sponsorships sufficient to keep them self sustainingDon't think they can really to that tbh. There's nothing illegal about related part transactions as far as I'm aware.
But what I don't understand is how these deals haven't been under the microscope for the past decade and a half. It's bizarre really. I don't know if it's a lax auditor, or just a complete absence of any regulatory oversight or what is going on.
FA: How do you plead against this evidence we are presenting to the court?The Premier league after they strip City's titles
"You may remember Manchester City as a team that have won the premier league. What you remember, is false!"