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They tried to sign him 12 months before we did. If I remember it was between they and Chelsea.
Shows how close a move was
They tried to sign him 12 months before we did. If I remember it was between they and Chelsea.
Possibly. More likely it's the UK government's intention to establish an independent body on the 20th February that's sped up proceedings: if an independent body decided that the EPL had been sitting on 10 years of evidenced that a club had flagrantly abused the rules it sets for every club - while other sides were "forced" to abide by them due to lesser resources - the optics are pretty awful, potentially even leading to accusations and convictions for institutional corruption similar to what did for FIFA but with more control because they're supposedly constrained by UK law.Or maybe it's the PL's shot across the bow of PIF/Newcastle? If they can't control or stop the poorer Abu Dhabi now, then there is no way they can allow the PIF to fester in a few years time.
Mesmeric.You need to watch this.
Just been reading through this thread. It’s absolutely astoundingHow can any fan defend this? This is fraud. Open and shut case.
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It’s embarrassing frankly if they where gonna stand by knowing what city are doing why even bother bringing in the rules, rich teams can basically do what they want while poor teams are restricted.Possibly. More likely it's the UK government's intention to establish an independent body on the 20th February that's sped up proceedings: if an independent body decided that the EPL had been sitting on 10 years of evidenced that a club had flagrantly abused the rules it sets for every club - while other sides were "forced" to abide by them due to lesser resources - the optics are pretty awful, potentially even leading to accusations and convictions for institutional corruption similar to what did for FIFA but with more control because they're supposedly constrained by UK law.
They're definitely still artificially boosting their income through owner-related sponsorships which aren't even strictly forbidden but they only need to represent fair value. Sure they've also grown a fair bit as a club due to all the success they've gained in the last decade but certainly not to such extents that they're now bigger than RM/Barca/Bayern/United/Liverpool in revenues.I think the thing is, by this point city are a legitimately big club. While we'll all go haha city, they've had a decade of success in a league with massive TV revenues, how they got to this point, has clearly involved financial cheating, but right now I can't imagine they can't attract genuine sponsorships sufficient to keep them self sustaining
That's... not what this is.So the PL are pissed off at City's spending. But then invite another state to take over another team. Genius.
The Premier League are a business. They will do whatever brings in the most money for the clubs they represent. It's long been apparent that nobody expects to win the PL except when City has an off year and nobody has really tried apart from Liverpool.That's... not what this is.
I mentioned similar earlier, that surely all the agents are complicit in all thisWhat of Pep and the players in all of this? Surely if they have been shown to be taking illegal off the books payments then they should suffer the consequences too? If Toney, who shouldn't be playing right now, can face consequences for his stuff. Then surely their players should have bans looming too.
They immediately remind me of Trump fans.How can any fan defend this? This is fraud. Open and shut case.
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But does that actually form a part of the charges? Where are you getting it from? The PL have not exactly been specific but I’ve not actually seen any claims of this, outside of their rivals’ message boards.What of Pep and the players in all of this? Surely if they have been shown to be taking illegal off the books payments then they should suffer the consequences too? If Toney, who shouldn't be playing right now, can face consequences for his stuff. Then surely their players should have bans looming too.
Yep, all the talk is of the owners and the club. However I'm genuinely curious if players and management could be facing individual sanctions too if they are considered to have knowingly partaken in these crimes? Surely they would be facing penalties. At the very least there would have to be tax avoidance issues.I mentioned similar earlier, that surely all the agents are complicit in all this
To be honest its purely speculation on my part. Just thinking that the level of financial crimes levelled at City could potentially point towards players and management receiving under the table payments. So my real curiousity is could the players, for example, face an investigation into whether they wre aware of what was happening? I'm not saying Pep or the players did but more that surely if City are found guilty then it raises questions of the involvement or knowledge of the players and staff of what was happening.But does that actually form a part of the charges? Where are you getting it from? The PL have not exactly been specific but I’ve not actually seen any claims of this, outside of their rivals’ message boards.
Well Chelsea and arsenal regularly do make the top 4 so yes, they would
I think it depends on what the job occupation is listed as under the alleged shadow contracts. If it says "footballer", then its easy for HMRC to prove that their job took place in the UK, therefore they would have avoided collectively, hundreds of millions of pounds in tax payments. If their shadow contract lists them as ambassador or something, it would be difficult to prove they had been paid for their work as a footballer.Yep, all the talk is of the owners and the club. However I'm genuinely curious if players and management could be facing individual sanctions too if they are considered to have knowingly partaken in these crimes? Surely they would be facing penalties. At the very least there would have to be tax avoidance issues.
Haven't seen anyone talk of this possibility. Would love if someone, who might be versed in this stuff, could shine some light if it was possible that playing staff and management could be affected legally (even if just in the football legal sense).
He's a midwit twatHaha. Simon Jordan is an acquired taste, but he's great when he's shitting on someone.
He's best when he sticks to corporate or club management stuff. On the football side he always comes across as a wum.Haha. Simon Jordan is an acquired taste, but he's great when he's shitting on someone.
Fair enough maybe I've misremembered arsenal finishing higher than they did, but I think they'd still be a bigger team than arsenal are now without the Abu Dhabi money, more on the same level as Chelsea, their period of massive success from 04-12 ensured that they were a big club and attractive to sponsors
Taking KDB as the example, but this would apply to any player, if this was the case then it would be tax fraud at a minimum ,that would be a criminal charge never mind a PL oneTo be honest its purely speculation on my part. Just thinking that the level of financial crimes levelled at City could potentially point towards players and management receiving under the table payments. So my real curiousity is could the players, for example, face an investigation into whether they wre aware of what was happening? I'm not saying Pep or the players did but more that surely if City are found guilty then it raises questions of the involvement or knowledge of the players and staff of what was happening.
For instance if KDB was receiving wages of 200k on the books but in actuality his 'real' earnings was 400k, could he face charges for this?
I don't know if that type of stuff happened but if it did then surely the players could face trouble too?
depends What the players have been told. They might have been given extra payments and told it was sponsorship or bonuses. I doubt they have access to the books to see if what they’ve been paid is being declared.Taking KDB as the example, but this would apply to any player, if this was the case then it would be tax fraud at a minimum ,that would be a criminal charge never mind a PL one
Hope all of this is admissible evidence. It's all stuff from the email hacking that featured in the previous UEFA investigation right?Just been reading through this thread. It’s absolutely astounding
Are you sure we have the same definition of the word “regularly“?Well Chelsea and arsenal regularly do make the top 4 so yes, they would
Surely, that would be tax fraud? The listed charge relates to Mancini as apparently there was a 2nd contract appointing him as manager of a team in Abu Dhabi over the same period as he was coaching City with equal remuneration, although he was essentially in Manchester the whole time and not really coaching another team in Abu Dhabi. If that is proven, I hope that rat is banned from football altogether.To be honest its purely speculation on my part. Just thinking that the level of financial crimes levelled at City could potentially point towards players and management receiving under the table payments. So my real curiousity is could the players, for example, face an investigation into whether they wre aware of what was happening? I'm not saying Pep or the players did but more that surely if City are found guilty then it raises questions of the involvement or knowledge of the players and staff of what was happening.
For instance if KDB was receiving wages of 200k on the books but in actuality his 'real' earnings was 400k, could he face charges for this?
I don't know if that type of stuff happened but if it did then surely the players could face trouble too?
Fair enough I was more thinking of Chelsea and just assumed arsenal had made it in some recent years. But after 6 titles in a decade, City are more akin to Chelsea than arsenalAre you sure we have the same definition of the word “regularly“?
There's nothing romantic about a gulf state with a terrible human rights record buying a football club and then spending billions and billions of dodgy money on them.If they broke the rules, they should be punished. But to be honest, I find it very hard to judge them for this since FFP is a farce and was only put in place to ensure that those who are at the top remain at the top. It's a shitty rule made by shitty people sold as something great and romantic to the fans. Good for top clubs, bad for small clubs. feck FFP.
Yeah, I said pretty much the same a few replies earlier. Looking from smaller leagues the whole EPL money is problematic and the current CL set up damaging smaller leagues and big clubs that play in smaller leagues.If they broke the rules, they should be punished. But to be honest, I find it very hard to judge them for this since FFP is a farce and was only put in place to ensure that those who are at the top remain at the top. It's a shitty rule made by shitty people sold as something great and romantic to the fans. Good for top clubs, bad for small clubs. feck FFP.
They wouldn't say anything till a verdict or their name is dragged into itAre there any statements from officials of other clubs yet?
No it's not and I'll cheer if it all implodes. But there's also nothing romantic about top clubs using their influence to put rules in place that ensure that no other clubs can close the gap to them. Which they did with FFP, which they did with the UCL reform and which they attempted with the ESL. They definitely have no moral high ground either.There's nothing romantic about a gulf state with a terrible human rights record buying a football club and then spending billions and billions of dodgy money on them.
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