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De Gea Replacement - Do not use for player performance chat

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A pedigree striker, top class midfielder, and strengthening of our full back position, would certainly eat into the majority (if not all) of our Summer transfer budget.

Therefore the potential transfer of David Raya to us for Thomas Frank’s valuation of £40m would certainly not happen.

However, if the more conservative transfer figure for Raya’s services of £15m to £20m are to be believed, then that is a bargain price for a fantastic keeper who knows the league, and is an opportunity not to be missed in my opinion.
 

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A pedigree striker, top class midfielder, and strengthening of our full back position, would certainly eat into the majority (if not all) of our Summer transfer budget.

Therefore the potential transfer of David Raya to us for Thomas Frank’s valuation of £40m would certainly not happen.

However, if the more conservative transfer figure for Raya’s services of £15m to £20m are to be believed, then that is a bargain price for a fantastic keeper who knows the league, and is an opportunity not to be missed in my opinion.
Still believe our new owners will be in place by then and increases our budget,not against signing Sabitzer as Casa's partner (if it actually gets tried out) otherwise feel a Barella would be cracking buy.

Looks like Kane could be first choice target but leaving Osimhen on market is mistake too.

I am unsure about RB options so feel free to suggest anyone you feel could fit the bill.
 

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I'd rather we go for Maignan next season considering Milan would probably want a hefty fee for him and use the bulk of our budget on a striker and midfielder. Raya on a cheap looks like a decent move but it could also backfire and be another situation like when we struggled for years replacing Schmeichel with average keepers like Taibi, Barthez, Howard etc instead of going for a proven, world class option like VDS from the get go.

Another season of an older DDG does worry me even if he's been ok this season so a very competent back up should still be pursued depending on what happens with Henderson.
 

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James Ducker: "If money were no object this summer, Erik ten Hag would be signing another goalkeeper. He likes Raya at Brentford and United have also scouted Porto’s Costa, among others. Whether there will be the funds to bring in a long-term replacement for De Gea, though, is another matter."

"But the manager did not attempt to gloss over De Gea’s struggles in the Europa League against Real Betis this week and has harboured doubts since he took over about whether the 32-year-old is good enough with his feet to get United to where he wants in the medium to long-term. The question is whether he feels he can get through another season with De Gea before revisiting that situation in summer 2024. The Spaniard has probably done enough to justify that but this, more than anything, seems likely to be a decision influenced by money."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...y-kicking-shows-why-manchester-united-market/
 
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I heard Petr Cech being interviewed a few days ago and he was asked about his favourite goalkeeping prospects, players he saw coming through from the next generation, and he was so effusive about Mamardashvili. Said that he reminded him of Van Der Sar with his stature (6'6) but with much more natural athleticism.

Still only 22. Looks to be very quick off his line, way faster than somebody his size has any right to be.


 

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Still believe our new owners will be in place by then and increases our budget,not against signing Sabitzer as Casa's partner (if it actually gets tried out) otherwise feel a Barella would be cracking buy.

Looks like Kane could be first choice target but leaving Osimhen on market is mistake too.

I am unsure about RB options so feel free to suggest anyone you feel could fit the bill.
Should the new owners be in place at the start of the window, then you're right, the cash should really start to flow on new transfers.

Barella is highly regarded to be fair, and would improve us.

I would prefer to sign Osimhen based on his age (and voted for him in the Kane vs Osimhen thread). Given Osimhen's age of 24, it can be argued that his best years are ahead of him. The issue I have with Kane, is that he is currently 29 (will be 30 years old before the start of next season), and I believe that his best years are behind him, i.e. we're seeing him now at the best he will be - although his current level is fantastic.
I would be happy if we signed Kane, but Osimhen would be my preference.

I've not really thought about the right back position, although I am aware that Dalot and AWB don't quite align with what Ten Hag wants.
I was always disappointed that we didn't sign Kieran Trippier to be honest, as I rate him very highly.
 

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I heard Petr Cech being interviewed a few days ago and he was asked about his favourite goalkeeping prospects, players he saw coming through from the next generation, and he was so effusive about Mamardashvili. Said that he reminded him of Van Der Sar with his stature (6'6) but with much more natural athleticism.

Still only 22. Looks to be very quick off his line, way faster than somebody his size has any right to be.


There were some tenuous reports linking him to United last Summer if there was some truth in them we might be tracking his progress this season .
 

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There were some tenuous reports linking him to United last Summer if there was some truth in them we might be tracking his progress this season .
That was his agent pumping up value during contract negotiations. He renewed with Valencia a few weeks after.
 

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1. Striker
2. Midfielder (maybe two depending on sales/sabitzer's situation)
3.Right Back
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4. Goalkeeper
 

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1. Striker
2. Midfielder (maybe two depending on sales/sabitzer's situation)
3.Right Back
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4. Goalkeeper
I would switch 3 and 4 but agree with rest,then focus has to be on cover for Rapha after that
 

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I'd rather we go for Maignan next season considering Milan would probably want a hefty fee for him and use the bulk of our budget on a striker and midfielder. Raya on a cheap looks like a decent move but it could also backfire and be another situation like when we struggled for years replacing Schmeichel with average keepers like Taibi, Barthez, Howard etc instead of going for a proven, world class option like VDS from the get go.

Another season of an older DDG does worry me even if he's been ok this season so a very competent back up should still be pursued depending on what happens with Henderson.
If Raya isn't good, we can just sell him and if we get him for 15/20mn we shouldn't make a loss. So long as we're not offering him ridiculous wages, nothing is preventing us from upgrading to a Maignan in even a year's time
 

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I heard Petr Cech being interviewed a few days ago and he was asked about his favourite goalkeeping prospects, players he saw coming through from the next generation, and he was so effusive about Mamardashvili. Said that he reminded him of Van Der Sar with his stature (6'6) but with much more natural athleticism.

Still only 22. Looks to be very quick off his line, way faster than somebody his size has any right to be.


Forgot about this lad, we were linked to him previously if I remember correctly.

All his videos seem to be of shot stopping though, how is he with the ball at his feet?
 

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If Raya isn't good, we can just sell him and if we get him for 15/20mn we shouldn't make a loss. So long as we're not offering him ridiculous wages, nothing is preventing us from upgrading to a Maignan in even a year's time
Yeah but is Erik someone who just moves on keepers ruthlessly like Guardiola did with both Hart and Bravo in quick succession
 

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If Raya isn't good, we can just sell him and if we get him for 15/20mn we shouldn't make a loss. So long as we're not offering him ridiculous wages, nothing is preventing us from upgrading to a Maignan in even a year's time
Or the player can refuse to go and decide to "fight for his place".
 

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Sales must be able to allow for a keeper.

Maguire - budgets for his back up

McTominay - used funds on a keeper if we get Rabiot on a free

Henderson - sale alone should be able to buy David Raya

That leaves the budget untouched to dedicate to a top class Striker and Midfielder.
 
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That is not DDG then. He can’t do anything competent goalkeeping wise apart from reflex saves and decent positioning.

He decline started in 2018. He is so below average now that he won’t even make the World Cup squad as third choice Spanish keeper.
This still is true. I’d say he’s our biggest priority after ST.
 

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Or the player can refuse to go and decide to "fight for his place".
I don't think a player whose international team is usually one of the favourites at international tournaments would jeopardise his chance in their squad by sitting warming a bench. The key of course is to remain competitive with the salaries we pay for marquee players while trying to pay most of our players in line with market values to avoid a situation where players can't countenance a move to another team even when things are going bad.
 

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Yeah but is Erik someone who just moves on keepers ruthlessly like Guardiola did with both Hart and Bravo in quick succession
I suspect he's well capable of being ruthless with any player he doesn't feel is contributing. That's not to say he'll always be aligned with fans as to who is performing.
 

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Ludicrous...

Those launch completion percentages are ludicrously high for Costa and Raya. Like it's impossible for me to even conceptualise that after having De Gea in nets for so long and just seeing every long ball going straight out the side or to the opposition.
 

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I'm amazed there are still fans who think he's good enough, there are maybe only two keepers in the PL I wouldn't prefer to him.
 

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Even as the biggest De Gea critic I’m finding it hard to believe those stats are true. They look massively inflated for Costa & Raya at the very least, surely??
Upon second look, I think it might be their percentiles for each stat that are being reported rather than for example them successfully completing 80something percentage of launched balls.
 

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Even as the biggest De Gea critic I’m finding it hard to believe those stats are true. They look massively inflated for Costa & Raya at the very least, surely??
They seem correct according to fbref. It's which percentile they fall in. Just remember to contextualize the stats with each team's different position and style. I have already appointed a session with my therapist after gazing upon that crosses stopped %.

 

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They seem correct according to fbref. It's which percentile they fall in. Just remember to contextualize the stats with each team's different position and style. I have already appointed a session with my therapist after gazing upon that crosses stopped %.

Also worth noting that these measurements aren't like for like as DDG and Raya are getting measured against top five league goalkeepers whereas I think Diogo Costa is getting measured against fbref's next five league's keepers like Championship, Portuguese, MLS and Eridivisie (?).
 

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Ludicrous...

I'm not saying that the numbers aren't bad, but is the chart maker plotting percentile instead of percentage? Those are not the same thing.

The Save percentage is presented correctly, but they seem to be plotting percentile for pass completion %? I'm confused.
 
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I'm not saying that the numbers aren't bad, but is the chart maker plotting percentile instead of percentage? Those are not the same thing.

The Save percentage is presented correctly, but they seem to be plotting percentile for pass completion %? I'm confused.
I would say that is exactly what they have done. But even so it's pretty telling.
 

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Even though he should be out the door there's no way it will happen, we will have to suffer a few more years.
 

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I find DDG to be a good reactive keeper (e.g. shot stopping) but the flip side to that is to have a proactive keeper who can smell danger and takes steps to ensure the danger doesn’t materialise, such as marshalling the back line like VDS did.

The dream would be to find another Peter Schmeichel who was adept at both reactive and proactive goalkeeping.
 

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I would say that is exactly what they have done. But even so it's pretty telling.
I loved watching De Gea pre WC'18, but I recognize that he hasn't been that guy for a few years, and yes, his stats aren't great.

But whoever made that chart either doesn't understand the difference between percentage and percentile, or it was done to exaggerate and possibly mislead people, to get reactions and likes from Twitter. Plotting a 2% crosses stoped rate for De Gea vs 8/9% for Costa and Raya simply isn't as dramatic as percentile (not to mention that Costa is compared against different keepers than De Gea and Raya in the percentile evaluations by fbref)...

This kind of data presentation plays into the argument that there's an agenda against De Gea, and it doesn't help with recognizing the extent of De Gea's decline, etc. And quite frankly, trying to figure out that chart drove me crazier than any of De Gea's wayward passing.
 

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Watching the game actually at Old Trafford gives you a much better scope of just how bad De Gea is with the ball at his feet and how it projects through the defence, last 10-15 minutes of the first half and the first 10 or so minutes of the second half really showed how our play from the back is slowed right down due to De Gea not having any awareness of what’s around him and needing more touches just to play a simple ball to a defender.
 

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I see Raya as a backup for DeGea, not competition. To replace David we need someone much better.
 

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I see Raya as a backup for DeGea, not competition. To replace David we need someone much better.
Raya is a considerably better keeper than De Gea right now. The only question mark would be if he can handle the pressure, which I think is a much bigger factor than some make it out to be.
 

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Slightly concerning to me that full-back is viewed as such a big priority, honestly. I'd say a goalkeeper and a back-up to Case should be considered far more important than a full back this summer.
 

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Why isn't Martinez from Villa considered? He has experienced at highest level, which Schmeichel and VdS had before coming to us.
 
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