Completely agree. We need a squad. Dalot is not good enough to be a first choice attacking or defensive full back. AWB has excellent defensive attributes and is definitely improving going forward. Hanging on to him gives us real contrast if we do buy in someone like Frimpong. Proper options.He paired with an attacking FB for games we have the ball is the ideal scenario imo. I’d rather sell Dalot than AWB
No, because his tackling is so good only on the wing where he has the side of the pitch as his ally. You'd need a second floating player next to him to act as a deterrent for him to be as effective.Is his skillset underutilised? Should he be used as a floater to shutdown the best opposition attacker (regardless of position?)
For me his problems defensively are positioning and awareness, he doesn't read situations well enough so he ends up being reactive rather than proactive.Well, we already knew he was good at tackling. But considering how often he has to tackle players, I think it shows his troubles elsewhere.
I'd go further: his tackling is so exceptional that it compensates for his deficiencies enough to make him able to play in this league.For me his problems defensively are positioning and awareness, he doesn't read situations well enough so he ends up being reactive rather than proactive.
His tackling is good, but in reality it just ain't enough.
The thing is Manchester United are not fine at the level we are currently at. To improve that level, we need better players.The way AWB is slated, you would think he's some headless chicken. He loses concentration sometimes, but besides maybe Kyle Walker, few fullbacks are as dependable 1v1 as him. I like him and in games where you might not have the ball for long periods (ie. European knockout matches), he's good. Not every fullback will be Dani Alves or needs to be. He's fine for the level United are currently at.
I don't think it does, he's just not good enough all round, neither is Dalot. For now, they do a job, but they are nothing special.I'd go further: his tackling is so exceptional that it compensates for his deficiencies enough to make him able to play in this league.
If he is coachable sufficiently, and I don't think that's impossible although not easy given some obvious improvements of late, he may remain a useful squad member.
That was suggested in the Frimpong transfer thread as well, but it doesn't work that way. You don't have back-up to play a completely different plan B (which in reality virtually no team actually has; plan B is a tweak of Plan A), you have back-up for rotation, to fill in when the starteris injured or suspended, and to provide competition to the starter. So if Ten Hag wants his backs to be strong in attack, then Wan-Bissaka doesn't fit the bill and should be sold - cause United would also need a back-up with strong attacking skills and can't afford having three senior RBs in the squad.Completely agree. We need a squad. Dalot is not good enough to be a first choice attacking or defensive full back. AWB has excellent defensive attributes and is definitely improving going forward. Hanging on to him gives us real contrast if we do buy in someone like Frimpong. Proper options.
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AgreeThe way AWB is slated, you would think he's some headless chicken. He loses concentration sometimes, but besides maybe Kyle Walker, few fullbacks are as dependable 1v1 as him. I like him and in games where you might not have the ball for long periods (ie. European knockout matches), he's good. Not every fullback will be Dani Alves or needs to be. He's fine for the level United are currently at.
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Probably not the right move but I'd prefer him for 75m£ over Kane for 75m£.
Me too. He's not the best RB, but he's improving.Agree
Yeah I'm happy with both of them and Mengi as our right back options. They can all be coached and are young enough to develop.Don't know what you are all saying. But I feel more comfortable with AWB at right back than Dalot. This is coming from someone who rates Dalot really high. Give both of them long term contracts. Few players are better than them
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That stat is fecking insane. He makes almost as many tackles as numbers 2-5 combined.
Is his skillset underutilised? Should he be used as a floater to shutdown the best opposition attacker (regardless of position?)
He was dribbled 56 times? I would never think that. Seems too much.Tweet
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That stat is fecking insane. He makes almost as many tackles as numbers 2-5 combined.
Is his skillset underutilised? Should he be used as a floater to shutdown the best opposition attacker (regardless of position?)
That's since 2017/18. He's played about 200 games in that time.He was dribbled 56 times? I would never think that. Seems too much.
I used to think football was about scoring goals and making sure opponents don't score. Here we have a guy who even if he is positionally weak, makes sure the opponent doesn't score by taking the ball off them. But revolutionary geniuses here would make you believe that's a bad thing because he doesn't do it in a way they prefer to see.I like how people are trying to turn this into a negative. He is the best tackler because he is the best tackler; it is as simple as that. He makes more tackles because he is just much better at it.
I don't see how consistently dominating wingers is a negative. I guarantee if we sell him that he will end up at another big club. The ability to completely shut down a wing isn't a common talent.
And who is this "special" right back you suggest we replace him with?I don't think it does, he's just not good enough all round, neither is Dalot. For now, they do a job, but they are nothing special.
Ideally both need to be shipped out and replaced.
And you can develop those players. He's looked much better under the current manager.The thing is Manchester United are not fine at the level we are currently at. To improve that level, we need better players.
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It's strange. At one point it certainly seemed that teams and managers had started to change their tactics against us, significantly reducing how much they attempted to dribble down that side and instead focusing more on quick short passes to get in behind AWB, and also targeting his weakness in the air at the back post. But it's like him barely playing for 12 months (the second half of last season and the first half of this season) has resulted in them forgetting those lessons and most of them have gone back to how they were trying to beat him in his first season here. I guess the fact they don't know whether it'll be AWB or Dalot makes it a bit more difficult to fine-tune their gameplan in that regard, but it'll be interesting to see if things do start swinging back now that AWB does seem to be first choice again.It goes to show how stupid oppo tactics and plans are more than anything. AWB is positionally suspect so if you are a winger, clever off the ball runs and movement is how to get the better of him. You need to get in behind AWB to be effective.
Taking him on by getting ball to feet and running at him is clearly idiotic, yet still they try.
It could also be the case of Antony tracking back much more than Greenwood.It's strange. At one point it certainly seemed that teams and managers had started to change their tactics against us, significantly reducing how much they attempted to dribble down that side and instead focusing more on quick short passes to get in behind AWB, and also targeting his weakness in the air at the back post. But it's like him barely playing for 12 months (the second half of last season and the first half of this season) has resulted in them forgetting those lessons and most of them have gone back to how they were trying to beat him in his first season here. I guess the fact they don't know whether it'll be AWB or Dalot makes it a bit more difficult to fine-tune their gameplan in that regard, but it'll be interesting to see if things do start swinging back now that AWB does seem to be first choice again.