Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player

[gajender]

So we both know that. My issue is why is the DoF and ETH not address this as a main issue.

Instead what we hear is £200k contract renewals and GK not being a priority… when those who are intelligent know all it does is shift us back another year in being able to play the football we need to play.

It actually does my head in as well it would be a self inflicted wound which could actually prove fatal to ETH's job I am quite certain of it.

Honestly De Gea would struggle get even £100k
a week contract anywhere else if he is released from United that how much of a liability he is for any team with serious aspirations and deep pockets .

Assuming we get a striker, Midfielder and RB then ETH would be under immense pressure to challenge for the title there are no two ways about it and rightly so , but I simply can't see it happening with De Gea in goal honestly I can't and God forbid we get few of the hammerings we got this season suddenly ETh job could be on the line and we are back to square one .

 

[DWelbz19]

Played well I thought, from exactly the sort of deeper positions I don't want our CF dropping into. No thanks.

I don't remember a single time he was up in Shaw's or Lindelof's space. It's actually remarkable he scores so many goals when he never wants to do the dirty no.9 work in harassing defenders from the front.

 

[Jev]

Played well I thought, from exactly the sort of deeper positions I don't want our CF dropping into. No thanks.

He'd set up so many Rashford goals from that deeper position. He'll also get close to 30 Premier League goals this season despite dropping deep.

 

[DWelbz19]

He'd set up so many Rashford goals from that deeper position. He'll also get close to 30 Premier League goals this season despite dropping deep.

We don't really need him to do that, though. Spurs need it because they play terrorism football and their midfield hasn't got a creative bone in their body. We've got Fernandes and even Eriksen currently.

 

[Rojofiam]

I agree DDG can be improved upon, but a striker is far more important to you right now and if you are limited on funds over the summer a CF and MF would be my priority.

But it was reported that EtH is looking at a striker as well as a young MF and young GK, so maybe you get everything!

This will be the most unpopular opinion imaginable here, but I would give Henderson a chance next season. Would be better than De Gea even if he's not the long-term solution, and would cost nothing. The other alternative is getting finding someone like Raya for relatively cheap.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

We don't really need him to do that, though. Spurs need it because they play terrorism football and their midfield hasn't got a creative bone in their body. We've got Fernandes and even Eriksen currently.

Nothing wrong with adding more creativity though, if you have Rashford on the left, Anthony some how becomes Rashford on the right and Bruno actually starts running beyond more ala KDB vs Arsenal in midweek, then we'd look great I think. Plus on top of that you have the guarenteed 20/30 goals that Kane himself will score.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

This will be the most unpopular opinion imaginable here, but I would give Henderson a chance next season. Would be better than De Gea even if he's not the long-term solution, and would cost nothing. The other alternative is getting finding someone like Raya for relatively cheap.

You want to replace De Gea with someone whos even worse with their feet?

The only thing Henderson will give you over De Gea is claiming crosses, thats it - he is worse in every other aspect.

 

[Roboc7]

We look set to be a 75 point team in a season where ETH had to make a lot of compromises, we had a lot of injuries and most importantly basically no reliable striker throughout the campaign (Ronaldo decline, Martial injuries, Weghorst basically a makeshift short-term solution).

Don't you think Kane could add 10-15 points to this team over a full PL season? 85-90 points would more than likely be a title charge until the very end of a PL campaign even if it might not be enough to win it.

This is why I could see ETH "sacrifice" one more season and stick with De Gea in goal, unless we can find a cheap solution.

He’d improve us but we’re not competing with this City team until we build a team which means lots of new players and time. Hoping a certain player will come in and turn us into title contenders is the flawed logic we have used repeatedly in the past.

Personally I don’t believe buying a player who has given his best years (or most of them at least) to another club for a huge sum is the way forward. We should be looking at players who will be at their peak for us not someone else.

 

[Rojofiam]

You want to replace De Gea with someone whos even worse with their feet?

The only thing Henderson will give you over De Gea is claiming crosses, thats it - he is worse in every other aspect.

Do you know which team he plays for?

When he stood in for De Gea in early 2021 he showed way better distribution too. Our defence also looked way calmer with Henderson behind them. People however tend to just remember his mistake vs Salah in the Liverpool game at home and write those few months off because of it.

He’d improve us but we’re not competing with this City team until we build a team which means lots of new players and time. Hoping a certain player will come in and turn us into title contenders is the flawed logic we have used repeatedly in the past.

Personally I don’t believe buying a player who has given his best years (or most of them at least) to another club for a huge sum is the way forward. We should be looking at players who will be at their peak for us not someone else.

Well, we would literally be competing for the title this season with Kane up top.

 

[groovyalbert]

I'd bung an incentivized 80m take-it-or-leave-it offer on the table and move on if they don't bite.

 

[11101]

Well, we would literally be competing for the title this season with Kane up top.

No we wouldn't. Its not as simple as he would add 10 to 15 points just because he would score more goals. Kane is a player who would score more goals in the games we already win, a 1-0 becomes a 2-0. He would not win us the games we struggle in and thats where the title challenge will come from.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Do you know which team he plays for?

When he stood in for De Gea in early 2021 he showed way better distribution too. Our defence also looked way calmer with Henderson behind them. People however tend to just remember his mistake vs Salah in the Liverpool game at home and write those few months off because of it.

I do - ask Forest fan @Forest Red about his kicking/ability with his feet.

 

[MadDogg]

You want to replace De Gea with someone whos even worse with their feet?

The only thing Henderson will give you over De Gea is claiming crosses, thats it - he is worse in every other aspect.

That's not true at all. Henderson is much more comfortable and eager with his sweeping, even if his distribution with his feet is at a similar level as De Gea (I wouldn't say it's worse). He's also got very good distribution with his throws, constantly looking to start quick counter attacks as soon as he gets the ball in his hands. His ability to act as a sweeper allows our defence to push further up the field and compress the field in the opposition half. He was also more vocal at controlling the defence in front of him. Admittedly that's a harder one to judge as being more vocal doesn't mean you're actually saying the right things, but the fact our entire defence looked more stable with Henderson in the one period he had in goal than it had at any of the surrounding periods with De Gea certainly indicates he was an improvement. As you said he's also better with crosses, albeit that's more an indication of how bad De Gea is as Henderson isn't actually 'good' at it himself. Just better.

 

[Berbaclass]

I'd bung an incentivized 80m take-it-or-leave-it offer on the table and move on if they don't bite.

80 Million (add ons up to 100)

10 mil for a PL
5 mil for a CL semi
5 mil for PL top goalscorer

 

[Berbaclass]

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[Rojofiam]

That's not true at all. Henderson is much more comfortable and eager with his sweeping, even if his distribution with his feet is at a similar level as De Gea (I wouldn't say it's worse). He's also got very good distribution with his throws, constantly looking to start quick counter attacks as soon as he gets the ball in his hands. His ability to act as a sweeper allows our defence to push further up the field and compress the field in the opposition half. He was also more vocal at controlling the defence in front of him. Admittedly that's a harder one to judge as being more vocal doesn't mean you're actually saying the right things, but the fact our entire defence looked more stable with Henderson in the one period he had in goal than it had at any of the surrounding periods with De Gea certainly indicates he was an improvement. As you said he's also better with crosses, albeit that's more an indication of how bad De Gea is as Henderson isn't actually 'good' at it himself. Just better.

Shaw's goal vs City in 2021 is probably the best example of this

 

[Berbaclass]

Shaw's goal vs City in 2021 is probably the best example of this

Everton recently too. Should have had a few assists that game.

 

[Rozay]

I don't understand this argument. Your striker being able to drop deep and connect with the other players is an advantage not a disadvantage. Like you said, we have a Rashford. His pass to Son for the second goal could be what he could be doing for Rashford. And it's not like he's not a goal threat himself. He's only second in the league behind Haaland in goals.

There's off field reasons which I think make him not the best option. Age, cost etc. But his playstyle would suit us.

My point is Rashford is already receiving quality service here. It’s not that high on the list of in terms of our striker’s job spec.

I’m not proposing to ignore Harry Kane to instead go for a striker who will not score any goals either. Any striker we sign I would expect to be scoring a minimum of 18 league goals. Any option I suggest I would expect to score a minimum of 18 league goals. After the 18 goals, we start looking at other ways he will impact the team.

 

[Lash]

Nothing wrong with adding more creativity though, if you have Rashford on the left, Anthony some how becomes Rashford on the right and Bruno actually starts running beyond more ala KDB vs Arsenal in midweek, then we'd look great I think. Plus on top of that you have the guarenteed 20/30 goals that Kane himself will score.

This is my problem though, you're spending 100m on player where you need the rest of your team to play different to how they're currently playing. Doesn't make sense.

 

[Siorac]

Don't you think Kane could add 10-15 points to this team over a full PL season?

Maybe? But in reality, probably not. We had finished second in 2021, added Cristiano Ronaldo who went on to score 18 league goals - and you know how last season ended up.

One player alone is almost never enough to make such a massive difference in points. Such improvement usually requires a lot more than that, and there's a lot of context to consider.

 

[MadMike]

My point is Rashford is already receiving quality service here. It’s not that high on the list of in terms of our striker’s job spec.

I’m not proposing to ignore Harry Kane to instead go for a striker who will not score any goals either. Any striker we sign I would expect to be scoring a minimum of 18 league goals. Any option I suggest I would expect to score a minimum of 18 league goals. After the 18 goals, we start looking at other ways he will impact the team.

Again, my point is that you argued that Kane plays like a #10 and not like a striker. Yet he plays in the striker position and he averages ~26 goals in a season (based on last 5 seasons), so he meets your latter requirement for goal contribution. The fact he can play make as well, is an added bonus. He might not be the penalty box type of striker, which is a different playstyle, but he certainly more than justify being a striker by his goal output.

Rashford receiving quality service doesn't mean he can't get even better service. He was receiving quality service from Bruno. But his link up with Ronaldo before and Weghorst now is non-existent. His output could only improve with a forward like Kane.

 

[Doracle]

This is my problem though, you're spending 100m on player where you need the rest of your team to play different to how they're currently playing. Doesn't make sense.

We play exactly as we do now and he fits in perfectly. It really is that simple. He’s just a massive upgrade on Martial. I don’t understand why people are trying to complicate this.

Bringing in a different striker who wants to turn and run away from the ball will require more adjustment for us, albeit I’m sure we’d cope. What I don’t want is us bringing in a player with questionable technique from a lesser league, who may struggle to hold the ball up in the premier league (which is probably what will happen if we go for another option). There’s no other option which comes close to being as easy and low risk for us.

 

[Bebestation]

It’s not that we need Kane dropping deep - it’s the fact that we don’t really need him doing that for us would make him deadly in our system.

He can focus on playing further high up the pitch - a play style he doesn’t get to play at Spurs but then also having the ability to drop deep only when required to.

His set piece goals, headers and poaching goals show he can score from inside the box - something we clearly lack, but then almost as a plan B drop deep when required.

I think that’s why people are interested in Kane - not because he drops deep as our plan A attack but drops deep as his plan B attack to get others in on goal if he isn’t scoring in the box himself - which he clearly does.

 

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[gajender]

It’s not that we need Kane dropping deep - it’s the fact that we don’t really need him doing that for us would make him deadly in our system.

He can focus on playing further high up the pitch - a play style he doesn’t get to play at Spurs but then also having the ability to drop deep only when required to.

His set piece goals, headers and poaching goals show he can score from inside the box - something we clearly lack, but then almost as a plan B drop deep when required.

I think that’s why people are interested in Kane - not because he drops deep as his plan A attack but drops deep as his plan B attack to get others in on goal if he isn’t scoring in the box himself - which he clearly does.

I don't think he would it would be similar to the way he is playing it's United who would have to make allowances for him , his lack of pressing from the from the front , his reluctance to engage with CB's is due to his declining physical prowess and dynamism .

He is being utilised like this because thats what gets the best out of this Version of Kane .
He is no longer the Classic Center forward of past and it's quite a gamble to think he would suddenly turn into his old self because we want him to be . For better or worse he has evolved and if we are hoping to bring him then we should plan accordingly .

 

[Mr Pigeon]

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He's ours

Just need Frenkie and Sneijder to follow and we're feckin golden, boyos.

 

[Lash]

We play exactly as we do now and he fits in perfectly. It really is that simple. He’s just a massive upgrade on Martial. I don’t understand why people are trying to complicate this.

Bringing in a different striker who wants to turn and run away from the ball will require more adjustment for us, albeit I’m sure we’d cope. What I don’t want is us bringing in a player with questionable technique from a lesser league, who may struggle to hold the ball up in the premier league (which is probably what will happen if we go for another option). There’s no other option which comes close to being as easy and low risk for us.

But he doesn't play like Martial, because Martial is way more mobile, presses more (shockingly) and receives the ball higher up the pitch than Kane has done all season. So it's not a like for like swap, we're rjigging how we set up.

I don't see how that would be an adjustment as we play constantly like that with Rashford. You're arguing against a straw man here, I've never said I'd compromise on anything you fear and I don't see how this transfer is "easy" either.

 

[VP89]

He's ours

Just need Frenkie and Sneijder to follow and we're feckin golden, boyos.

Don't forget Gaitan

 

[Rojofiam]

Maybe? But in reality, probably not. We had finished second in 2021, added Cristiano Ronaldo who went on to score 18 league goals - and you know how last season ended up.

One player alone is almost never enough to make such a massive difference in points. Such improvement usually requires a lot more than that, and there's a lot of context to consider.

Ronaldo was finished by the time he joined. Dragged the team down drastically, something which Kane wouldn't do. He might take a few goals away from Rashford and Bruno, sure, but he wouldn't disrupt everything like Ronaldo did. Not to mention everything that happened off the pitch.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Ronaldo was finished by the time he joined. Dragged the team down drastically, something which Kane wouldn't do. He might take a few goals away from Rashford and Bruno, sure, but he wouldn't disrupt everything like Ronaldo did. Not to mention everything that happened off the pitch.

After one of them has already scored it, no less.

 

[Baxquux]

Not the best pitch from us yesterday, some good 1st half moves and the Bruno 2nd half chance excepted.

Still a better bet than Tottenham, but if Kane, I'd want to see guarantees, or even prior evidence of, strengthening in core areas (most notably MF) before signing on - though since this is a guy who uses his brother to negotiate deals rather than a high-level agent, and who signed a 6 year deal with no non-CL release clause at the very least, perhaps one shouldn't count too much on his judgement off the field...

 

[Stobzilla]

He's ours

Just need Frenkie and Sneijder to follow and we're feckin golden, boyos.

Don't forget Gaitan.

 

[Darlington Padgett]

This is my problem though, you're spending 100m on player where you need the rest of your team to play different to how they're currently playing. Doesn't make sense.

He plays like Martial but is much better and always available.

 

[lex talionis]

The only serious question arguing against Kane is how much longer he can continue at this extremely high level. I speculate three years, but no one knows for sure. What is sure, however, is that Kane light years superior to Weghorst and Martial, the latter putting in an epically abysmal performance yesterday while Harry supplied a sublime match-winning assist.

 

[Rojofiam]

The only serious question arguing against Kane is how much longer he can continue at this extremely high level. I speculate three years, but no one knows for sure. What is sure, however, is that Kane light years superior to Weghorst and Martial, the latter putting in an epically abysmal performance yesterday while Harry supplied a sublime match-winning assist.

I'd say 4 to 5 years is much more realistic than 2 to 3, since he doesn't rely on pace, and just look how good Benzema and Lewandowski are at 35 and 34.

 

[Bebestation]

I don't think he would it would be similar to the way he is playing it's United who would have to make allowances for him , his lack of pressing from the from the front , his reluctance to engage with CB's is due to his declining physical prowess and dynamism .

He is being utilised like this because thats whats gets the best out of this Version of Kane .
He is no longer the Classic Center forward of past and it's quite a gamble to think he would suddenly turn into his old self because we want him to be . For better or worse he has evolved and if we are hoping to bring him then we should plan accordingly .

Id go for someone else than Kane if someone else was available to his regular goalscoring standard but the fact is we are the 3rd/4th best team in England with arguably only Rashford as our only attacker.

That’s actually a positive than a negative in my opinion.

Next season I personally believe we will see the right hand sided version of Rashford return to our first team. What does this have to do with Kane? Because what he is going to add to our first team is the goals our inverted forwards don’t score like headers, goals from set plays like corners and free kicks and poachers goals.

Do we really need another striker who is running in behind the defence to score a well placed finish? I’m not sure. Kane can offer us the goals Rashford’s & RW Rashford is not scoring whilst Those 2 scores the goals Kane is not scoring. All the whilst Kane being able to interlink both of them as well.

My biggest issue with Kane is his pressing ability I agree
but; I must admit that I think we are a mix of counterattacking team players playing under a possesion based manager. So we need to find the balance between both.

When we don’t have possesion we don’t need Kane to press - we can have him drop deep to number 10 as we saw Ten Hag did with Weghorst (who is arguably a pressing player anyway) & swap positions with Bruno to become a creative player for 2 inverted forwards on the counter whilst Bruno presses which he is a menace at anyway.

The Sit deep Counterattacking 4231
RW - Kane - Rashford
Bruno
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Then when we do have possesion we have enough time to turn things around where Kane can go to be our furthest forward striker providing the type of finishing that inverted forwards like Rashford can’t as much. Bruno drops deep becomes creator to a front 3 with different forward styles across the whole front line. Can pick to play Rashford’s behind the line or play a cross to Kane to header etc.

The possesion based 433
Bruno
RW - Kane - Rashford​

I think this can be the perfect balance between a counterattacking team that can play possesion based football.

This is all relative to if we want to go for the title next season or the season after. If we want to next season then we have to get a balance of the best of our current players (counterattacking players) & the best of Ten Hag’s tactics (possesion). If we want to wait until our 3rd year then Ten Hag has time and transfer windows to build his perfect possesion football team like we saw Arteta do this year.

 

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[Bebestation]

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Spurs can keep him for that.

We will offer him 75 mil give or keep.

 

[Rozay]

Again, my point is that you argued that Kane plays like a #10 and not like a striker. Yet he plays in the striker position and he averages ~26 goals in a season (based on last 5 seasons), so he meets your latter requirement for goal contribution. The fact he can play make as well, is an added bonus. He might not be the penalty box type of striker, which is a different playstyle, but he certainly more than justify being a striker by his goal output.

Rashford receiving quality service doesn't mean he can't get even better service. He was receiving quality service from Bruno. But his link up with Ronaldo before and Weghorst now is non-existent. His output could only improve with a forward like Kane.

Yes, and my point again is that Kane is not the only striker who can score goals. On the assumption that whatever striker we sign will score at least 18 league goals, how do you differentiate between most ideal? Simply by who scores one or two more or is it by who fits your approach and relationship with the other players best? His team were dominated for much of the game due to the fact that Lindelof and Shaw were allowed to pass it around the halfway line unopposed. So given that, Osimhen’s 20 goals are of greater value to us than Kane’s 20 goals because they also come with pressing. Kane’s also come with creativity, but in our own team building, we have already addressed THAT particular issue - so while it is of greater value to Spurs, it is not of the same to us. Pressing from a striker is more important than assists for Manchester United.

If a striker scores 25 goals mainly with headers and a player scores 20 through pass and move, it is not unreasonable for Barcelona to say that the latter suits them better. Respect to the aerial qualities, but they are not as needed in our team.

I expect Kane to score goals here. But given how we play, I think a different player would be optimised here because we attack with speed and intensity. Look at Rashford’s goal yesterday. We don’t score that if Kane is upfront instead of Rashford. You could say that Kane would have been the one playing the pass, but the pass is clearly already being played without Kane.

That is before we even start to consider that he’s at least 5 years older than all the alternative options and will be paid the best, which are also factors to consider.

 

[Forest Red]

I do - ask Forest fan @Forest Red about his kicking/ability with his feet.

That's not true at all. Henderson is much more comfortable and eager with his sweeping, even if his distribution with his feet is at a similar level as De Gea (I wouldn't say it's worse). He's also got very good distribution with his throws, constantly looking to start quick counter attacks as soon as he gets the ball in his hands. His ability to act as a sweeper allows our defence to push further up the field and compress the field in the opposition half. He was also more vocal at controlling the defence in front of him. Admittedly that's a harder one to judge as being more vocal doesn't mean you're actually saying the right things, but the fact our entire defence looked more stable with Henderson in the one period he had in goal than it had at any of the surrounding periods with De Gea certainly indicates he was an improvement. As you said he's also better with crosses, albeit that's more an indication of how bad De Gea is as Henderson isn't actually 'good' at it himself. Just better.

Sorry chaps but Henderson is useless as a sweeper keeper. It was embarrassing how many of his kicks went straight out of play. Brice Samba was fantastic at this for us last season. His quick thinking and bullet passes used to start off a lot of breaks for us last season. Henderson just stands there looking for options, lets the other side get back then kicks it into touch.