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I feel that's changed in a bit in modern times, and poacher changed to mean a goalhanger, someone who got goals through good positioning and often good in the air
There is hardly any poachers in the modern game because most teams play with a 4-3-3, having a poacher is related to the times when 4-4-2 was in vogue.

Haaland is very much the definition of what the word used to mean, if you compare him to the names i said, as opposed to the more complete forwards like Van Basten, Weah, Henry, Cantona Ibrahimovic etc. He will just go down as the greatest goalscorer and poacher of all time.
 

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Pace and strength are not his greatest attributes. His greatest attribute is his complete awareness of whats going on around him and his awareness at full pace which is an astonishing thing to be able to do. How does he do it? Watch him closely when he plays, he is constantly looking around, he does this more than every other player around him and he does it whilst going full speed. Also how he makes use of that constant looking around is brilliant.
I think some people are downplaying his technical abilities too, he is a big man and to do what he does at that pace takes some really great ball control.
Amazing player.
 

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There is hardly any poachers in the modern game because most teams play with a 4-3-3, having a poacher is related to the times when 4-4-2 was in vogue.

Haaland is very much the definition of what the word used to mean, if you compare him to the names i said, as opposed to the more complete forwards like Van Basten, Weah, Henry, Cantona Ibrahimovic etc. He will just go down as the greatest goalscorer and poacher of all time.
He will if he stays fit.
 

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almost a full goal per game less is a huge difference actually, because...



Though I do agree 60 goals is ridiculous, no matter the era

For more perspective: at the current rate, 1079 goals will be scored in the PL this season. At the 3.82 gpg average of 27/28, that number would go up to 1451 goals. That 372 goals more over the season. That's roughly 19 extra goals per team on average

And for perspective on Dean's 60 goal season, the second top scorer that season scored 35. The top scorers in the 2 seasons immediately before and after scored 43, 37, 43 and 42
Well, the last bit is the point I made. Dean had upwards of 20 more goals that season than was typically scored by the top guy at that time. Haaland still has games to go, but he is currently, what? 10 ahead of Kane in the league? So what Dean did is as impressive relative to his time as what Haaland is doing now relative to his time. The circumstances were totally different but 60 goals in a league season in any context is nuts.
 

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It is surprising how so many in this forum don't rate him as a well rounded striker. If he's going to the break the all-time English first division goal-scoring record in his debut season, then he is probably one of the most complete strikers.

Some other strikers may have 20 other traits, including a good hairstyle, but what matters the most for strikers is the number of goals scored. Haaland has great pace, acceleration, shooting accuracy, aerial presence, positional awareness, and above all, an insance scoring record. He is more well-rounded than most others.
 

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It is surprising how so many in this forum don't rate him as a well rounded striker. If he's going to the break the all-time English first division goal-scoring record in his debut season, then he is probably one of the most complete strikers.

Some other strikers may have 20 other traits, including a good hairstyle, but what matters the most for strikers is the number of goals scored. Haaland has great pace, acceleration, shooting accuracy, aerial presence, positional awareness, and above all, an insance scoring record. He is more well-rounded than most others.
Complete doesn't equate to being better, there are more complete forwards in the last 20 years of the English game, but Haaland excels more in the most important part, goalscoring, than the other players to an extraordinary level, so in turn is a better player. We don't need to act as if there aren't better strikers all round even playing the game today to give him his due.

You don't need to be complete to break records or well rounded to score tons of goals, Ian Rush wasn't as well rounded as some of his contemporaries and look at his record at Liverpool, not Haaland level of course but he scored lots and lots of goals.
 

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I Don’t think that I have ever seen a footballer his size quite like Haaland. He’s fast, strong, explosive, has great movement without the ball and absolutely fantastic finishing. Also he has really good passing skills.

If he keeps up those numbers he might go to the history as the greatest to ever play the game.

When Ibrahimovic was at Haalands age he was performing avarage numbers in the Eredivisie for Ajax.
You, my friend, are high on something. Or are a wum.

Haaland is a goalscorer. Period. Let's not start pretending he is anything else.

If criteria for goat candidacy is goalscoring only than Muller MUST be in the conversation. But he isn't and that is how Haaland will be viewed as once everything is said and done.
 

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It is surprising how so many in this forum don't rate him as a well rounded striker. If he's going to the break the all-time English first division goal-scoring record in his debut season, then he is probably one of the most complete strikers.

Some other strikers may have 20 other traits, including a good hairstyle, but what matters the most for strikers is the number of goals scored. Haaland has great pace, acceleration, shooting accuracy, aerial presence, positional awareness, and above all, an insance scoring record. He is more well-rounded than most others.
How many has he scored from outside the box.
 

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It is surprising how so many in this forum don't rate him as a well rounded striker. If he's going to the break the all-time English first division goal-scoring record in his debut season, then he is probably one of the most complete strikers.

Some other strikers may have 20 other traits, including a good hairstyle, but what matters the most for strikers is the number of goals scored. Haaland has great pace, acceleration, shooting accuracy, aerial presence, positional awareness, and above all, an insance scoring record. He is more well-rounded than most others.
Henry was far better interms of allround play. It's not even close.
 

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I am not sure he has "fantastic" finishing. Seen him mishit a lot. He has, however, fantastic movement and anticipation, combined with amazing physicality of course, so he finds himself in perfect positions a shitload of times per game.
 

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I wish Premier League reporters made more background checks and not interview his teammates as fans but there you go.

 

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Some player, gutted City have him! Not much else to say really.
 

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Ok that is getting ridiculous. Do you realise 2000 goals equals scoring 133 goals every season in 15 years, in the modern era? That's almost like doubling the tally of Messi best ever season, every season. Like really?

Besides, I am talking about football in 1920s period, not sure why you feel the strong need to keep going back to football in 60s instead.

Let's just stop it here before going too far. You must be drunk.
Yes, let's stop here because once again you have no idea what you are talking about.
 

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Ah, forgot this was basketball, where a goal from outside the box counts for 2
He said part of the reason why Haaland is a complete striker is because he is good at shooting hence the question. Anyway your reply makes it obvious that he isn't.

He is a goalscorer/poacher. A roided version of RVN.
 

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I was replying to the poster in terms of styles, the poster used Ibra as an example, i said he isn't like Ibra who's technical ability and flair was comparable with a handful of players in the world at the time, hence he is more comparable to RVN stylistically with extraordinary physical attributes.
I would go with that. Ibra had great ability
 

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Some player, gutted City have him! Not much else to say really.
Yeah this is it for me. He is a generational player at 22 who while doesn’t look pretty playing wise he is so unique as you shouldn’t be that quick big and strong at the same time.

Its not the fact he is breaking records for city it’s the fact I like to watch him and have a hard time disliking him so him at City makes me sick
 

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Some player, gutted City have him! Not much else to say really.
Absolutely pig sick every time he scores,find myself utterly green with envy and wishing he was ours and can't hide that feeling whatsoever
 

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Yeah this is it for me. He is a generational player at 22 who while doesn’t look pretty playing wise he is so unique as you shouldn’t be that quick big and strong at the same time.

Its not the fact he is breaking records for city it’s the fact I like to watch him and have a hard time disliking him so him at City makes me sick
Yeah how did we feck this up so easily
 

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Yeah how did we feck this up so easily
Go back to the rumours thread. There was much talk about him being from Germany and therefore being another Sancho, or another Mkhitaryan.

Ignoring the fact that De Bruyne has probably been the best player in the league ever since moving from Germany.

Then there was Mini Raiola, many didn’t want to deal with him again either. But then he passed away
 

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Go back to the rumours thread. There was much talk about him being from Germany and therefore being another Sancho, or another Mkhitaryan.

Ignoring the fact that De Bruyne has probably been the best player in the league ever since moving from Germany.

Then there was Mini Raiola, many didn’t want to deal with him again either. But then he passed away
Yeah and we thought ourselves too good to accept that release clause as well,really been left with egg on our faces now
 

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That's because he doesn't play for you.


Yeah, nobody likes to be on the receiving end, although there's an extra bit of bitterness due to the fact he's playing for the other city's club. The "hollow", "meaningless", etc comments sound so petty and small time.

It's a team that left its mark on the PL and football in general and will be remembered for a very, very long time. Just as Haaland will.
Those “hollow and meaningless” posts always make me smile. If it is that meaningless and one couldnt care less, then why specifically comment in the first place and several times. Copium and all imo
 

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Henry was far better interms of allround play. It's not even close.
More all-round play = less goals.
All-round play basically means being able to do many "other" things during play. That's important.

Semantics.

But.

My argument is that the best definition of a "well-rounded striker" should be one who consistently scores the most goals, because that's what a striker is there in the playing squad for.
 

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More all-round play = less goals.
All-round play basically means being able to do many "other" things during play. That's important.

Semantics.

But.

My argument is that the best definition of a "well-rounded striker" should be one who consistently scores the most goals, because that's what a striker is there in the playing squad for.
So, Gerd Muller was a more well rounded striker than R9?
Is that why, despite scoring many more goals, R9 is regarded as better?
And by your logic also, Romelu Lukaku will go down in history as a more "well rounded striker" than Drogba, Owen, Fernando Torres and Andriy Shevchenko because he will end up with more goals.
Not true my friend.
Haaland is an extremely gifted goalscorer, his all round game is very basic.
Comparisons to R9, Pele, Messi, even talent wise to Roberto Baggio are extremely Ott.
Chill.
 

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More all-round play = less goals.
All-round play basically means being able to do many "other" things during play. That's important.

Semantics.

But.

My argument is that the best definition of a "well-rounded striker" should be one who consistently scores the most goals, because that's what a striker is there in the playing squad for.
It’s not the only thing a striker is in the squad for, it depends on your system and team.

Also scoring goals is not the only way to contribute to a goal being scored, Henry was a playmaker too, and his passing allowed others to score goals.
 

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How many goals?
Well in one season Henry had 24 goals and 20 assists so contributed to 44 goals directly, Haaland is still 2 off that total overall but will probably beat it in the end.

I would also make a guess Arsenal probably scored a few less goals than season than City will this season(haven’t checked) but my guess is that Henry was directly responsible for a greater percentage of goals for his team
 

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He is not, he isn't more talented than Modric, he neither is more talented than R9, Zidane, Ronaldinho, Baggio,Rivaldo,etc

He will be the greatest goalscorer in history of football, but when it comes to pure talent, there are players more talented than him, wether or not he will be more successful than these players.

We are talking about pure talent, not success.
Sounds like you place far too much value on dribbling and passing and far too little on the other very important aspects of the sport.
 

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So, Gerd Muller was a more well rounded striker than R9?
Is that why, despite scoring many more goals, R9 is regarded as better?
And by your logic also, Romelu Lukaku will go down in history as a more "well rounded striker" than Drogba, Owen, Fernando Torres and Andriy Shevchenko because he will end up with more goals.
Not true my friend.
Haaland is an extremely gifted goalscorer, his all round game is very basic.
Comparisons to R9, Pele, Messi, even talent wise to Roberto Baggio are extremely Ott.
Chill.
I could champion Ronaldo all day, but there's nowhere that he is seen as better than Muller definitively and they are easily interchangeable in terms of achieving objectives. Some might even favour Muller and there's little objective reason to disregard people doing so.

There's an absolute top bracket of striker, and the fairest is to say they are both always in it.
 

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Don't forget Henry were same age as Haaland is now when he joined the leauge and Haaland already outscored Henry's two first seasons this season.

Indeed Henry was a more fancy player to watch, but not when he were the same age as Haaland, his best seasons were from after he turned 26 so lets give Haaland some more years before we compair his finesse to Henry/Suarez etc best ever season, in football terms he is still a talent, Suarez were playing in Holland intill 24/25 but many of you compair 31 year old Suarez with 22 year old Haaland. but I agree he will never be a technical player that will dribble 3 guys but I don't think he tries because he is smart and play to his strenghts (but I think his touch and shooting is very technical).

Also Henry were a winger up intill 23 ish so he developed totaly different skills when growing up compair to Haaland that always been a true 9.
 

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Well in one season Henry had 24 goals and 20 assists so contributed to 44 goals directly, Haaland is still 2 off that total overall but will probably beat it in the end.

I would also make a guess Arsenal probably scored a few less goals than season than City will this season(haven’t checked) but my guess is that Henry was directly responsible for a greater percentage of goals for his team
I think Haaland will beat it too. To be fair, I don't think you can sum an attacker's contribution in terms of G+A, and I'm sure Henry's impact was more than just his 44 direct goal contribution. Same for Haaland. We don't have a great way of measuring the total impact of an attacker on their team. And i think what happens is many, in lieu of that objective information, go for aesthetics as a proxy. Because Haaland could have 50% more G+A than Henry hypothetically and some would still go for the latter :D
 

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Haaland is a goalscorer. Period. Let's not start pretending he is anything else.
7 assists this season says otherwise. And these aren't 2-yard passes before a screamer - his linkup play in both Arsenal games was particularly vital to what might end up being title-winning wins.

Nobody is saying he's Messi but his passing and dribbling is perfectly competent and is getting better very quickly. You're being harsh.
 

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Some of the posts at the begining of this thread…..

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Not just in the beginning. I looked at some of the posts from January and there were still several posters arguing that Haaland has made City worse. Crazy.
 

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Some of the posts at the begining of this thread…..

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Worst ones are the ones claiming he'd have an ego and cause problems in the dressing room, because people were basing those assumptions on absolutely nothing. People thinking he might not suit our style is quite forgivable.
 

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Worst ones are the ones claiming he'd have an ego and cause problems in the dressing room, because people were basing those assumptions on absolutely nothing. People thinking he might not suit our style is quite forgivable.
I think there were some issues with the previous style until Guardiola changed to the half-back style and more defensive full-backs/centre-backs. Ever since then they’ve looked as good as ever and he’s been thriving along with the rest of the team. Pep did what a good manager does, adapted the team to his best player and showed more flexibility than he’s often given credit for.
 

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Well in one season Henry had 24 goals and 20 assists so contributed to 44 goals directly, Haaland is still 2 off that total overall but will probably beat it in the end.

I would also make a guess Arsenal probably scored a few less goals than season than City will this season(haven’t checked) but my guess is that Henry was directly responsible for a greater percentage of goals for his team
Henry actually assisted even more (winning penalties = transfermarkt assists), making it 24G/25A that season in the PL alone for Arsenal. It was his peak season in numbers and he had a pretty decent crew around him (Pires, Bergkamp, Wiltord, Kanu, Vieira, Gilberto, Ljungberg and Edu among others). He was involved in 55% of Arsenals goals in the games he featured in all comps that season (a feat he never repeated or were close to again).

Compared to Haaland's production it is still a way to go though.
Here's all Henry's season for Arsenal in all comps:
99/00 - 26G/9A in 47 games (3311 minutes) - 127 min/G and 95 min/G+A
00/01 - 22G/11A in 53 games (4069 minutes) - 185 min/G and 123 min/G+A
01/02 - 32G/9A in 49 games (4128 minutes) - 129 min/G and 101 min/G+A
02/03 - 32G/28A in 55 games (4638 minutes) - 145 min/G and 77 min/G+A
03/04 - 39G/15A in 51 games (4459 minutes) - 114 min/G and 83 min/G+A
04/05 - 30G/15A in 42 games (3680 minutes) - 123 min/G and 82 min/G+A
05/06 - 33G/10A in 45 games (3773 minutes) - 114 min/G and 88 min/G+A
06/07 - 12G/6A in 27 games (2220 minutes) - 185 min/G and 123 min/G+A

Compared to Haaland this season:
22/23 - 51G/8A in 45 games (3497 minutes) - 69 min/G and 58 min/G+A

Haaland has since the start of the 18/19 season contributed to 52% of his teams goals in games he has featured (1,26 non penalty G+A/90 avg.).
Henry contributed 48% of his teams goals in games he featured in his 5 peak years (0,931 non penalty G+A/90 avg.)
 

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Some of the posts at the begining of this thread…..

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
A lot of people saying on the first page that he was injury prone. Which actually used to be true. I've said time and time again that Pep is managing him the way he is managing him for a reason and yet people still don't get it. You still get the clueless comments about 'Pep holding him back' and how 'he'd have 700 goals by now if he played 90 minutes every game'. Um, no he wouldn't, because if he played 90 minutes every game he would likely have gotten injured and it's tough to score goals from the treatment room. I mean, he's already made more than half of the total appearances that he managed in his entire time at Dortmund (and scored more than half of his total Dortmund haul as well).
 
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Henry actually assisted even more (winning penalties = transfermarkt assists), making it 24G/25A that season in the PL alone for Arsenal. It was his peak season in numbers and he had a pretty decent crew around him (Pires, Bergkamp, Wiltord, Kanu, Vieira, Gilberto, Ljungberg and Edu among others). He was involved in 55% of Arsenals goals in the games he featured in all comps that season (a feat he never repeated or were close to again).

Compared to Haaland's production it is still a way to go though.
Here's all Henry's season for Arsenal in all comps:
99/00 - 26G/9A in 47 games (3311 minutes) - 127 min/G and 95 min/G+A
00/01 - 22G/11A in 53 games (4069 minutes) - 185 min/G and 123 min/G+A
01/02 - 32G/9A in 49 games (4128 minutes) - 129 min/G and 101 min/G+A
02/03 - 32G/28A in 55 games (4638 minutes) - 145 min/G and 77 min/G+A
03/04 - 39G/15A in 51 games (4459 minutes) - 114 min/G and 83 min/G+A
04/05 - 30G/15A in 42 games (3680 minutes) - 123 min/G and 82 min/G+A
05/06 - 33G/10A in 45 games (3773 minutes) - 114 min/G and 88 min/G+A
06/07 - 12G/6A in 27 games (2220 minutes) - 185 min/G and 123 min/G+A

Compared to Haaland this season:
22/23 - 51G/8A in 45 games (3497 minutes) - 69 min/G and 58 min/G+A

Haaland has since the start of the 18/19 season contributed to 52% of his teams goals in games he has featured (1,26 non penalty G+A/90 avg.).
Henry contributed 48% of his teams goals in games he featured in his 5 peak years (0,931 non penalty G+A/90 avg.)
That's quite insane.