Yeah that's a red. Fist moves towards face, hits face. These refs, feck sake
Before anyone says "that wasn't a proper punch" well Casemiro didn't use a proper chokehold and he still got sent off.
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Before anyone says "that wasn't a proper punch" well Casemiro didn't use a proper chokehold and he still got sent off.
It’s the second time Martinelli is involved in a very dangerous aerial duel and still not even a warning from the refs.
Absolutely disgusting behavior
Absolutely disgusting behavior
It’ll be there new big change you see at the start of next season and all the commentators/pundits will applaud them. Despite the complete ignorance of the issue thus far.
Im unsure why things like this and keepers clattering into attackers from set plays aren’t fouls. It’s a weird part of football.
Martinelli on Mitoma in the 5th minute of Arsenal game. Classic example of the insane logic that interprets smashing someone in their skull as somehow less dangerous than smashing into their lower leg. Most obvious red card you’ll ever see. It would be a straight red in a game of rugby ffs. Beggars belief that anyone could watch a slow motion replay and not make the ref have another look.
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How is that good exactly you mental?
Sarcasm. Anyway I posted in wrong thread.
The key for me is that he is not even looking at the ball. I can forgive a challenge when you are genuinely trying to win it but his only reason for doing that is to clatter mitoma.
Clear red card and I don’t think you’ll find many people who have played a lot of football would disagree.
Absolutely deserved his injury afterwards. Keane at half time admitted as much as he’d have gone looking for him to even things out. Well done caciedo.
Martinelli’s challenge was as cowardly as it gets.
No need for that.
100%. Justice was done. Feck around and find out.
He did though.
There absolutely is.
He could easily have fractured Mitoma’s cheekbone or jaw with that entirely deliberate elbow.
He should be grateful he only received an ankle tweak.
im amazed nobody is making a big deal out of it, utterly disgraceful challenge.
Endangering an opponent's safety doesn't seem to apply to blows to the head.
Fly in and elbow someone in the head? No problem
Kick someone's head as hard as you can (because you're trying an acrobatic shot)? No problem
Make contact with your studs on someone's shinpad? OOOOOOOOH NOW YOU'RE IN TROUBLE BOY!
Fly in and elbow someone in the head? No problem
Kick someone's head as hard as you can (because you're trying an acrobatic shot)? No problem
Make contact with your studs on someone's shinpad? OOOOOOOOH NOW YOU'RE IN TROUBLE BOY!
It’s so weird. And completely at odds with all other sports which are all super worried about head injuries, because of the whole CTE thing.
Know it sounds like a broken record on here but someone like Casemiro 100% gets a red for that. The officiating on and off the pitch is selective and horrendous.
Like I said in another thread, I actually think that the referees are too dumb to understand the connection between head injuries being dangerous and them being forced to stop play for a head injury as opposed to other injuries.
Not against Brighton he doesn’t.
Martinelli is a sneaky little bastard. That's the 2nd time in the last few weeks he's almost caused a serious injury to an opponent who's trying to win a ball in the air. Got away with it both times.
Karma got him in the end.
The Martinelli foul today was one of the nastiest and most cynical acts of violence I’ve seen on a football pitch in a very long time. Right up there with the Thatcher elbow on Mendes. No VAR back then, of course. Just as well we have the technology available nowadays to punish that sort of dangerous cynicism. Oh wait…
Judging by the way some of them talk I'm not surprised that their legs are deemed to be infinitely more valuable than their brains.
And you know what? That was very un-Brighton of us. Under Potter we were frankly a soft touch, and we don’t surround refs and whatnot like many clubs do to great effect. I am not saying I want it in the sport, but most other clubs do it and it is effective.
De Zerbi has added a bit of grit, and frankly toughness to us.
Caicedo gave him a receipt. I don’t want to ever see players seriously hurt, but Martinelli should’ve seen red for his “challenge” on Mitoma anyway and got away Scot-free. The ref lost control.
If Martinelli misses three games through injury that'll be a fitting punishment.
Yeah, not a chance Brighton would get a favourable decision against United.
I’m talking specifically about red cards. Antony and Casemiro both easily could’ve had one when we played. I am not accusing anyone of bias, quite the opposite. I am saying specifically there is no reason to believe that Casemiro would’ve gotten a red card for the same challenge Martinelli made.
Casemiro could not have been given a red card because the referee played an advantage on his tackle, and giving a yellow card would have been wrong.
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Unless you think every sliding tackle should be a yellow card which has no basis in the laws of the game either.
The Caicedo tackle wasn’t even that bad martinelli was unfortunate that it rolled his ankle.
Was miles away from what martinelli did. But karma was justice.
It’s not the first time he has made a challenge like that and I have 0 sympathy for anyone who suffers from it.
I am a level 2 referee, I am very familiar with the laws, but thank you for the links and your views!
The referee has two choices, play advantage that would lead to a goalscoring opportunity, or stop play and award a direct free-kick. If he felt the challenge was deserving of a second yellow card, he would assess whether the continuing attack was - in his view - a goalscoring opportunity. He deemed it was, so a second yellow card wasn’t given.
However; this is the law in practice, not on paper. Two yellow cards, for instance, can be given in the same phase of play for two separate yellow card offences. The referee would immediately stop play and produce both cards, then a red.
In this case, in my view, the referee didn’t afford an appropriate opportunity of goalscoring to not award a free-kick and a second yellow card.
The Antony incident is beyond question.
Woah. I did not know about that rule change. Ironically, Casemiro was on the wrong end of it at the weekend. Eriksen committed a blatant yellow card offence but the ref played on. Casemiro subsequently made a far less yellow card offence and got booked for it. Presumably because the ref was frustrated he couldn’t book Eriksen.
It’s a shitty rule change anyway. What’s the point?!
I wouldn't quite put on the level of Thatcher's cuntishness, that was something else, but it was seriously nasty. You can see on the replay that he knows he hasn't a hope of getting the ball and just launches into him.
He wasn't booked so they should be able to look it after the match since the incident wasn't dealt with on the pitch. Should be a 3 match ban for violent conduct.
I think the point of the original poster was that Casemiro has received 2 straight reds this season for tackles/actions that others have gotten away with. The small point that he's been treated differently to a lot of others. He even got a yellow yesterday for pretty much nothing.
Which is why the poster is saying he would've got a red for Martinelli's tackle today. Don't think it's quite a literal thing.
I see! That does make a lot more sense…
Hold on. Refs can’t show a yellow card if a player cynically tries to stop a counter-attack and fails, so that an advantage is in order?What possible reason is there for that rule?
Why in the world was the West Ham goal disallowed for handball? It deflects off the post at a distance of about 2 yards. Blatantly accidental.
Did they change the rule on that? He wasn't the one who scored.
Football lives in a bizarre world where apparently only studs that make contact with a leg can be dangerous, or any sort of intentional arm contact with someone's face can be seen as violent.
Kick someone in the head? Back into someone when they're in midair so they can't control how they land? Smash into someone at full force like Martinelli? Have at it.
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It’s not shitty at all. If you want to penalise someone for ruining a promising attack but the promising attack isn’t ruined, then you haven’t committed the offence that you are getting booked for. It's like sentencing a person for murder while the supposed victim is alive and well.
You can’t give someone a yellow card for stopping an attack if the attack wasn’t stopped. It makes perfect sense.