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That's not how it works though, it's not a simple case of spending £100m now or nothing next summer. Next summer while there wouldn't be a formal transfer fee, as long as his agent is doing his job properly, there would still be a transfer fee sized signing on bonus (obviously I'm not saying that will be anywhere near £100m but it would still be a huge amount), in addition to considerably higher wages that he'll be in a position to ask for, due to the "saving" on paying a much lower up-front cost than anticipated. These things bring Newcastle, PSG, Chelsea (as unlikely as that is but for negotiation purposes they'd be a tool used you'd imagine), Bayern, Real Madrid etc into play, whereas this summer you may have a relatively free run at him and the difference in cost may be nowhere near as much as you'd expect.
I'm aware there will be hidden costs with signing on and agent fees, but those will exist anyway even if we sign him this summer. They might not be as significant if we sign him early, but the transfer fee would be the most significant cost by some margin. I just don't see how it's good business sense to pay whatever Spurs ask for him when FFP looks to be a very real concern for us this summer.

It's no guarantee you sign Kane next season if he runs his contract down, but that's the risk you take. I really don't see him moving abroad - he wants Shearer's record. I'd sooner take the gamble on him opting for Newcastle than slapping down £100m on him this summer. The only justification I could see for paying that premium is if he more or less guaranteed us a Premier League or Champions League win next season, and I don't think either of those eventualities are likely.
 

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I just don’t get the ‘Kane is too old’ or ‘he’s injury prone’ stuff I see on here as he’s 4-5 years younger than Benzema and Lewandowski who are regarded as the best centre forwards in the world other than Kane and I’m pretty sure Kane has been an ever present this season for Spurs in the league ?

Just because it’s being reported that Spurs want £100 million to let Kane go doesn’t mean it will be £100 million and whenever it’s United the media seem to include the wages and agents fees in a deal for us, it’s highly likely looking at the last games of the season on Sunday that Spurs will end up in Europa Conference next season so Spurs will need to invest in the squad to at least attempt a CL place challenge.

At the end of the day Lewis and Levy are businessmen and will look at the reality of their main asset bringing in £70+ million this summer then reinvesting that into the squad or staging a highly unlikely attempt at a top four spot then losing that asset for nothing and having to fork out £70+ million for a replacement, I can also see Kane pushing behind the scenes for a move as he’s given his whole career to them.

As a player Kane makes perfect sense as he is a prolific creator as well as a prolific goal scorer and ETH loves a strong striker that can link play as well as finish moves off, is there a better striker in the world than Kane at that ? Sky Sports News are reporting we’re in for Evan Ferguson for summer of 2024 too so maybe we’re already planning for 3-4 years of Kane as first choice whilst Ferguson learns from him then takes over the first choice role.
 

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Lewandowski cost £50m last summer a month before he turned 34.
He cost €45m, potentially rising to €50m. That's £39m to £43m.

That would be a very good price for Kane, too.
 

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He cost €45m, potentially rising to €50m. That's £39m to £43m.

That would be a very good price for Kane, too.
It would be unbelievable given that Kane is 4 years younger. How much would a 30 year old Lewandowski cost in todays market?
 

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He cost €45m, potentially rising to €50m. That's £39m to £43m.

That would be a very good price for Kane, too.
If we're using Lewandowski as the comparison then Kane should cost more. Because despite Lewandowski having been the better player, he's older again than Kane.

Though I'm also not sure I'd look to Barcelona's business in the transfer market as the ideal comparison point. Their approach to transfers is not one I'd hope we'd emulate, despite them having finished top in a weak league this season.
 

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Ah, memories.

If only goals were all that mattered in football and looking ahead was a bad thing.
Ay, bringing in a 37 year old manbaby like Ronaldo draws parallels to bringing in one of the world’s most in form strikers at the age of 29.

You’re being silly with that comparison and you know it.
 

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Why do we need to break the bank?

He's out of contract next year. We have no reason to pay this money for one year of Harry Kane. Some of you lot must be Levy's accountants, I can't see any other reason for such desperation and tunnel vision.

The reason we'd be getting Harry Kane this summer would be because we're the only mugs willing to do it for the numbers mooted. Whereas if we get him for free we're getting him because he desperately wants to come to United. It's a double whammy. We get Harry Kane and we get to spend that 100 million on welcoming him into a stronger squad.
Yes. Let’s go another twelve months without being able to score goals and kick the can down the road some more.
 

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I'd rather buy the next Haaland (or even this Haarland) and also stengthen the rest of the squad than spunk such a huge amount on one old player who will be older still by the time we hopefully challenge City again. Even if we get Qatari megabucks we still have to adhere to FFP, so we can't just buy a whole team of $150mill players.
Who is this magical player and how much do they cost?
 

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If we're using Lewandowski as the comparison then Kane should cost more. Because despite Lewandowski having been the better player, he's older again than Kane.

Though I'm also not sure I'd look to Barcelona's business in the transfer market as the ideal comparison point. Their approach to transfers is not one I'd hope we'd emulate, despite them having finished top in a weak league this season.
Yeah, I agree - the main point was that Lewandowski didn't cost £50m because even Barcelona, the last club on Earth whose transfer strategy we should emulate, negotiated it down a bit. In light of that, dropping more than double of his fee on Harry Kane is just madness.
 

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Yes. Let’s go another twelve months without being able to score goals and kick the can down the road some more.
You're right, Harry Kane is the only person that can score goals in world football. It's amazing that there are other good sides apart from this wonderful Spurs team. Christ there's some tunnel vision on here.
 

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I’m yet to see a post in here with an alternative to buying Kane that would result in us having a better team than if we were to buy him.

Some diarrhoea about finding the next star is about the long and short of it.
 

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Think if we want to compete right away for the title, we should go for Kane or Osihmen.

Kane is PL proven, feared by most of the sides, would complement pretty well the attack with Rashford and Bruno. I think it depends on the money we put on the table and the pressure he would put on Levy to leave.

But to be honest I am afraid we will not spend 100M for him this summer.
 

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You're right, Harry Kane is the only person that can score goals in world football. It's amazing that there are other good sides apart from this wonderful Spurs team.
That’s exactly what I said. Well done.

Do you have a better potentially available alternative than a bloke who has just scored 30 goals in 48 games for a dogshit Spurs side?
 

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That’s exactly what I said. Well done.

Do you have a better potentially available alternative than a bloke who has just scored 30 goals in 48 games for a dogshit Spurs side?
Yeah I know a bloke that scored 30 in 48 that is available for free in a year.
 

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That’s exactly what I said. Well done.

Do you have a better potentially available alternative than a bloke who has just scored 30 goals in 48 games for a dogshit Spurs side?
Are those goals worth £100m to us if they don't fire us to a major trophy next season? Kane could come in, score 25 goals and not win anything.

Kane might be the best goalscorer we can get right now but he's not turning this team from being 3rd or 4th best in the country to champions on his own.
 

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i mean why do people not think there are any negatives with Kane, and he is some surefire thing? If we want our CF leading the line, being active, pressing the opponents-ive hardly seen kane doing that when i watch any of the spurs games, which isnt that frequent tbh. He seems to want to drop deep, and play a lot where we already have bruno playing. So many times ive seen the spurs attack and kane is still around the halfway line with how he loves to drop deep. He doesnt seem super athletic, and scores a decent amount of pen goals for spurs, which we already also have bruno for. So we are banking heavily on him being the missing piece, because after next season we will prob need to replace some of the older veteran core we already have. And considering how slow/old our CM pairing has been looking this season, we def need some of the funds this season to target that area of the pitch.

So yeah, i get it. Kane has scored a lot for spurs. But is it necessarily going to help us play better/result in seeing improvements in our overall style of play EtH wants to implement? Idk, could be debatable. Money wise Levy gonna be levy, and this is gonna drag on/be a pain in the ass. So would just be nice if people were realistic about kane, and stop acting like there are no other good forwards we can find in the world. Go to south america or something damn. City found great ass value there for Alvarez. Can bet there are more players out there like that in the huge ass world.
 

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Because we need a striker now
Yeah but in the long (and even short) term..which is more strategic. Blowing our load on somebody like Ferguson who is showing every sign he could be the next superstar, then making a big play for Harry Kane on a free to help bring him on. Or..shitting ourselves about our chances of getting Kane because we lack confidence and patience in our offering to the player and paying a king's ransom for a 30 year old. The first option makes a big statement for our future direction AND enters the raffle for Harry Kane, the second is just panic stations IMO.

We may as well rehire Ed Woodward for this deal. It's right out of his playbook. No vision, hoping money and throwing it in the direction of big names compensates.
 

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Yeah but in the long (and even short) term..which is more strategic. Blowing our load on somebody like Ferguson who is showing every sign he could be the next superstar, then making a big play for Harry Kane on a free to help bring him on. Or..shitting ourselves about our chances of getting Kane because we lack confidence and patience in our offering to the player and paying a king's ransom for a 30 year old. The first option makes a big statement for our future direction AND enters the raffle for Harry Kane, the second is just panic stations IMO.

We may as well rehire Ed Woodward for this deal. It's right out of his playbook. No vision, hoping money and throwing it in the direction of big names compensates.
Harry Kane is more strategic. There is no safer hit than Harry Kane. You can always look at a Feguson or a Hojlund down the line. Last year it was Sesko, then it was Ramos, now its Ferguson/Hojlund. Big potential names come up every season but Harry Kane is a generational striker that is a necessary piece to our puzzle.
 

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Harry Kane is more strategic. There is no safer hit than Harry Kane. You can always look at a Feguson or a Hojlund down the line. Last year it was Sesko, then it was Ramos, now its Ferguson/Hojlund. Big potential names come up every season but Harry Kane is a generational striker that is a necessary piece to our puzzle.
I disagree. I don't think Harry Kane is going anywhere in the PL unless we get our wallets out so it isn't strategic to spend loads on him. If you know he was coming for free you wouldn't do it for one season of him, surely. It's mainly the panic of competition and this impending sense of doom around our striker situation that would make someone think a year of Kane is worth 80-100 million because I don't believe anyone is worth that for a season.

But let's look at it because only a handful of clubs operate in a market for Harry Kane so it's not this wide open mystery, we can forecast the market for him. There aren't too many places for him to go for a fee this summer in the PL. I don't think anyone wants to pay Levy's fee except potentially us, but I could be wrong. That's just my sense of the other clubs, their needs and the speculation.

So if we don't make a huge move he goes abroad, or if he wants to break PL records and stay here which is a significant possibility, we are his option now and next year. He also gets to leverage a free transfer into a huge signing on fee and wage. I think both are a strong draw for the player. Not everyone wants to move particularly when they're so associated with the PL and their achievements within it.

We are absolutely a frontrunner for him and it's a really good option to simply keep track of his situation this summer and decide from there. That's strategic...staying flexible. A lot of the moving parts within this will favour us because going to London clubs on a free may hurt his Spurs relationship, City don't need him, Liverpool I'm not so sure are wanting him. Our main competition will be from abroad but we have selling points to an English player they do not have.
 

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I disagree. I don't think Harry Kane is going anywhere in the PL unless we get our wallets out so it isn't strategic to spend loads on him. If you know he was coming for free you wouldn't do it for one season of him, surely. It's mainly the panic of competition and this impending sense of doom around our striker situation that would make someone think a year of Kane is worth 80-100 million because I don't believe anyone is worth that for a season.
It's not just one season. Kane isn't going to add value only for one season and what people keep ignoring is that he is of a similar mould to existing players who have lasted to being 35 and still banging on goals.
That is very well worth £100m without an issue. Especially when you consider how he elevates the Ten Hag project at the opportune time with players like Casemiro/Bruno/Eriksen at peak or twilight stages. I dont want to see us delaying time of seeing them play together whilst all add strong value.
You are also assuming that any punt on Ferguson (who has had his fair share of injuries this season) or Hojlund etc. would actually pay off to a level where they can make a step up and contribute. You just need to look at how Sesko this year (once a caf darling in the summer) or Nunez for Liverpool worked out thus far to know its a big risk. It's also a big risk to let a generational striker like Kane be available on a free and assume we'd have a free run at him. Definitely wont happen - Bayern and Real will be sniffing around by then.
But let's look at it because only a handful of clubs operate in a market for Harry Kane so it's not this wide open mystery, we can forecast the market for him. There aren't too many places for him to go for a fee this summer in the PL. I don't think anyone wants to pay Levy's fee except potentially us, but I could be wrong. That's just my sense of the other clubs, their needs and the speculation.

So if we don't make a huge move he goes abroad, or if he wants to break PL records and stay here which is a significant possibility, we are his option now and next year. He also gets to leverage a free transfer into a huge signing on fee and wage. I think both are a strong draw for the player. Not everyone wants to move particularly when they're so associated with the PL and their achievements within it.

We are absolutely a frontrunner for him and it's a really good option to simply keep track of his situation this summer and decide from there. That's strategic...staying flexible. A lot of the moving parts within this will favour us because going to London clubs on a free may hurt his Spurs relationship, City don't need him, Liverpool I'm not so sure are wanting him. Our main competition will be from abroad but we have selling points to an English player they do not have.
I think it would be a terrible move to assume we'd be a front runner for him if he's on a free. Chelsea under Poch will be appealing for him, Real may consider him as a Benzema replacement by then and Bayern are long time admirers of him too.
Kane is one of those strikers Ferguson would have just nabbed seasons ago let alone wait till now. He's a generational player and belongs at Manchester United really. It would be a bit of a farce to delay it further just to punt on a 50/50 striker who isnt ready for a big move.
 

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I think ten hag wants to be different. Go for the title with experienced players then build a young team bit by bit.
Tell me what Kane is costing before a judgement. One year to go in the Spursy team and they are asking what ?
 

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We do. But that isn't down to Kane unfortunately. He might be able to help to a degree but, as the user Adnan pointed out more than once now, our issues with dominating games start at the back. With a goalkeeper that is the opposite of a modern goalkeeper and midfielders and defenders who, with a few exceptions, aren't overly confident on the ball. So this is where we have to improve as well to play a playstyle that suits Kane more.

The quotes the user Sully quoted yesterday are a bit worrying as well - where Kane is called undynamic, unmobile. We had that with Ronaldo not too long ago. I think, the warning signs are there. But I guess if the player really(!) is ETHs choice, then he has an idea how to play him. I am doubtful though on that... The whole story reeks of Woodwards playbook...
With all due respect, it's pretty frustrating to keep reading that De Gea is to blame for the suboptimal play (to put it kindly) of our front line. But before we go to the front line, let's briefly assess the performances of three starting midfielders: Casemiro, Eriksen and Bruno. This is relevant to the point at hand.

Casemiro has been outstanding for us this season and other than Rodrigo has been the standout CDM in the EPL this season. He was a bit wobbly in his first two appearances, without doubt, but when he found his feet was borderline ludicrous for us. We know about the harsh red cards, which he was a bit slow to recover from once he came back but has been beyond any question outstanding for us this season. I will neither credit De Gea for Casemiro's brilliant play nor blame De Gea when Casemiro has been off peak.

Eriksen. I'm not going to write a paragraph about each midfielder and front line player, but I will say that apart from the poor pass by De Gea to Eriksen at the beginning of the season (Brentford) which led to the first of the three thrashings we took this season in the EPL, De Gea can't be held responsible for the performances of Eriksen, who tends to tire in the second half and clearly needs upgrading on.

Bruno. Bruno is erratic, with extremely high highs and low lows. Bruno's performances are in no way a function of De Gea's passing out of the back.

Rashford, Sancho, Martial, Antony and Garnacho. Their ability or inability to finish on great chances (Sancho and Martial had near-sitters they both botched, chances that would have put the match away before stoppage time) we create match after match has nothing to do with De Gea, a goalkeeper.

But we're here to talk about Harry Kane. Hugo Lloris is an inferior GK to David De Gea and Spurs as a squad are inferior to United as a squad. I'll grant you that United are better managed than Spurs, who have been badly managed for a long time now, but Harry Kane has performed brilliantly despite his inferior keeper, inferior back line, inferior midfield and inferior managers.

Your final point about big name players in their early 30s is well taken, however. It's not that Kane is old and about to become feeble, but it is reasonable to ask how much he has left in the tank. If we could know with metaphysical certainty that Kane can replicate his form from this season into the next three seasons, the 80m it would take to pry him from Spurs would be worth every penny. But we don't know that. But...we also don't know that about any footballer at any age. Look at Martial.
 

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With all due respect, it's pretty frustrating to keep reading that De Gea is to blame for the suboptimal play (to put it kindly) of our front line. But before we go to the front line, let's briefly assess the performances of three starting midfielders: Casemiro, Eriksen and Bruno. This is relevant to the point at hand.
I don't blame him. But he is part of the reason why ETH might see the need to bring in Weghorst in some games. Because he supposedly is good at winning second balls and high balls. I understand your notion, I have no intention in blaming the GK for everything, I am still a bit of a fan but it is true, that his substandard kicking is part of the reason why we are so bad. Less prominent example is the high line. DDG is extremely uncomfortable away from his line which leads to us as a team needing to stay deeper. From a deeper position, it is more difficult to press high and if you force errors they are further away from goal.

DDG isn't the problem, he is part of the problem. Just like us missing a good striker is part of the problem.

Casemiro has been outstanding for us this season and other than Rodrigo has been the standout CDM in the EPL this season. He was a bit wobbly in his first two appearances, without doubt, but when he found his feet was borderline ludicrous for us. We know about the harsh red cards, which he was a bit slow to recover from once he came back but has been beyond any question outstanding for us this season. I will neither credit De Gea for Casemiro's brilliant play nor blame De Gea when Casemiro has been off peak.
Too much hyperbole for me. But I was told not to take everything to literate so alright. Casemiro had a very good 1st season for me to.

Eriksen. I'm not going to write a paragraph about each midfielder and front line player, but I will say that apart from the poor pass by De Gea to Eriksen at the beginning of the season (Brentford) which led to the first of the three thrashings we took this season in the EPL, De Gea can't be held responsible for the performances of Eriksen, who tends to tire in the second half and clearly needs upgrading on.
True.

Bruno. Bruno is erratic, with extremely high highs and low lows. Bruno's performances are in no way a function of De Gea's passing out of the back.
So true. Bruno is his own chapter in the "problem" book. Which puts him in light he doesn't deserve into because he is great at what he does.

Rashford, Sancho, Martial, Antony and Garnacho. Their ability or inability to finish on great chances (Sancho and Martial had near-sitters they both botched, chances that would have put the match away before stoppage time) we create match after match has nothing to do with De Gea, a goalkeeper.
All teams are missing chances. And I wouldn't expect Kane to be at any position those chances were missed on. I don't think, we are creating much of note to be perfectly honest. We are doing better than last year and probably even the year before but it certainly is key issue of our team. I mean, how often have those chances been long balls in behind the defense. That is all good and well but at some point, that isn't going to cut it. This lesson had to be learned by Ole and I am pretty sure that ETH already knows this.

But we're here to talk about Harry Kane. Hugo Lloris is an inferior GK to David De Gea and Spurs as a squad are inferior to United as a squad. I'll grant you that United are better managed than Spurs, who have been badly managed for a long time now, but Harry Kane has performed brilliantly despite his inferior keeper, inferior back line, inferior midfield and inferior managers.
So Spurs were worse than we but had the great striker so many in here would like to see at United. But where did Spurs end up :) ? They are sitting on 8th place. In terms of goals scored they are 6th, in terms of xG they are 8th. Goals wise they are behind Brighton, Newcastle, Pool and Arsenal who with no notable striker (I know, also a bit hyperbole). xG wise they are behind those teams plus us AND Brentford.

I get your point to a degree but I just don't see the connection how one individual player would have such an effect.

Your final point about big name players in their early 30s is well taken, however. It's not that Kane is old and about to become feeble, but it is reasonable to ask how much he has left in the tank. If we could know with metaphysical certainty that Kane can replicate his form from this season into the next three seasons, the 80m it would take to pry him from Spurs would be worth every penny. But we don't know that. But...we also don't know that about any footballer at any age. Look at Martial.
Granted. I mean, if we could be sure, that Kane will age like Lewa and Benzema, it'd be a different ballgame as well. But we don't know. And sometimes it just takes a stupid foul for a serious injury. The older the player, the longer it takes to get back. Plus adding another older player to an already aging squad (especially those who are considered 1st teamers) is risky as well as it could just push us into a situation where we have to replace half the squad...

Believe me, I have nothing at all against the player. If he could be brought in for like 50 or even 60 million, I'd be fine, but the figures around are higher. And I think, if we don't bring in GK and a midfielder (plus the striker of course) we'll get into trouble. And for a GK, it is probably not a good idea to try to save money and looking at our midfield, it shouldn't be another veteran as well but potentially somebody approach his natural peak.
 

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It's not just one season. Kane isn't going to add value only for one season and what people keep ignoring is that he is of a similar mould to existing players who have lasted to being 35 and still banging on goals.
That is very well worth £100m without an issue. Especially when you consider how he elevates the Ten Hag project at the opportune time with players like Casemiro/Bruno/Eriksen at peak or twilight stages. I dont want to see us delaying time of seeing them play together whilst all add strong value.
You are also assuming that any punt on Ferguson (who has had his fair share of injuries this season) or Hojlund etc. would actually pay off to a level where they can make a step up and contribute. You just need to look at how Sesko this year (once a caf darling in the summer) or Nunez for Liverpool worked out thus far to know its a big risk. It's also a big risk to let a generational striker like Kane be available on a free and assume we'd have a free run at him. Definitely wont happen - Bayern and Real will be sniffing around by then.

I think it would be a terrible move to assume we'd be a front runner for him if he's on a free. Chelsea under Poch will be appealing for him, Real may consider him as a Benzema replacement by then and Bayern are long time admirers of him too.
Kane is one of those strikers Ferguson would have just nabbed seasons ago let alone wait till now. He's a generational player and belongs at Manchester United really. It would be a bit of a farce to delay it further just to punt on a 50/50 striker who isnt ready for a big move.
I'm not saying Kane would be good for one season in sporting terms. He should be good for a fair few seasons, although who really knows - it's all a best guess at that age. My point was if we knew we had a great chance to win his signature for free, it would be dubious to pay the fee Spurs would demand for one season's worth of football when there is an opportunity to strengthen the squad further with that money and compete for Kane too. We'd get to play two hands, as long as we do our due diligence this summer. The likely fee is probably worth more than CL qualification is even worth, I think sometimes the scale of these fees in football loses all context and when it's a player in this contractual position it is even more galling to me.

I think there is an opportunity to monitor the situation with him. Rocking up early in the window, getting intro protracted negotiations with Levy only to spend 80-100 million later in the window because the negotiations are inevitably complex is Ed Woodward style stuff. Why not monitor the bidders that are there which are probably mostly going to come from abroad if at all, understand Kane's likely interest in those moves, and talk to him and his agent about the framework of a contract in the future? If they do make concrete moves for him and he's considering them, then yes, we have a big decision to make and we would also have an understanding of what bids are on the table and while we'd have to beat them, it at least provides us some kind of negotiation point with Spurs.

This is where we have really lacked subtlety in the market over recent years, it has been all about cash and manager power and nothing to do with foresight, strategy and negotiation compared to better run clubs. Wading in handing over bags of cash is really amateur stuff that I don't think anyone else is going to do this summer, but I guess we'll see how it plays out. Clubs like Bayern or Real will try to exploit Levy's reluctance to sell to us with lower fees if they go for it at all, which is logical because that's their best hand, and if he doesn't want to go or they can't get a deal done they'll probably be happy to walk away and leave Spurs looking silly. I don't think they're going to contemplate the ridiclousness our fans are advocating for with big fees.

I am confident Ferguson or Hojland could "contribute." That's not a high benchmark. They're replacing Wout Weghorst and Anthony Martial, which is also a fairly low benchmark. They will improve us based on this season's striking play and they also contain a long term view. We are not beholden to Harry Kane to improve this side. He's a relatively certain option, yes, but by no means the only one or the only way to improve the overall side which has quite a few weak spots and only limited money available to do it.
 
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If you're so adamant Kane can play until he's 35 and have a career like Benzema and Lewa after turning 30 then surely you sign him on a free instead of paying £100m?

We could use this summer to spend money on all other positions and develop our teamplay to be more possession based and we can sign Kane in 24/25 to make the real title push.

Paying £100m for someone with 1yr left on their deal is irresponsible. Even Madrid waited a year for Mbappe to be on a free, although that did backfire.
 

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If you're so adamant Kane can play until he's 35 and have a career like Benzema and Lewa after turning 30 then surely you sign him on a free instead of paying £100m?

We could use this summer to spend money on all other positions and develop our teamplay to be more possession based and we can sign Kane in 24/25 to make the real title push.

Paying £100m for someone with 1yr left on their deal is irresponsible. Even Madrid waited a year for Mbappe to be on a free, although that did backfire.
Huh? Madrid tried to buy Mbappe for €200m with one year left on his contract to avoid the risk of not getting him on a free.
 

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Its been 1 season but we have 2 youngsters we are all excited for in Amad & Garanacho that we didnt expect. Suddenly Antony & sancho both look a waste of money at 160 mil even if there both youngsters. How would you feel us to buy Kane- the 2nd best striker in the pl - using that reliability and experience to see how Ferguson develops in the next 2 years & then snatch him up?

Build the strong core of a tree first then lets the seeds grow.
exactly, kane is a couple year world class stop gap until the next wave develop enough to take over him when he leaves.
 

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Who do we miss out on if we do buy Kane this summer? Will we be watching Hojland and Osimhen and Ferguson sign for our rivals? As much as I would have loved having Kane in our team for the past few years, I think our deficiencies are greater than he alone can fix. Buy one of the up and comers, get Kane on a free next year.
 

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Kane dropping deep will help the runners on the wings. He would transform our play and have an impact akin to RVP.
 

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Kane dropping deep will help the runners on the wings. He would transform our play and have an impact akin to RVP.
Who are these runners that we have other than Rashford and Garnacho that will never play at the same time if Kane joins? Bruno already supplies Rashford and does that as well as anyone. Sancho and Antony aren't good off the ball runners and neither is Amad so it doesn't change much in the team for everyone else.
 

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I'm not saying Kane would be good for one season in sporting terms. He should be good for a fair few seasons, although who really knows - it's all a best guess at that age. My point was if we knew we had a great chance to win his signature for free, it would be dubious to pay the fee Spurs would demand for one season's worth of football when there is an opportunity to strengthen the squad further with that money and compete for Kane too. We'd get to play two hands, as long as we do our due diligence this summer. The likely fee is probably worth more than CL qualification is even worth, I think sometimes the scale of these fees in football loses all context and when it's a player in this contractual position it is even more galling to me.
The problem here is an assumption that we would have a great chance to win his signature for free. I think in one seasons time he'd consider us alongside Poch's Chelsea, potentially Real Madrid and also Bayern Munich. At that stage it doesn't become a great opportunity anymore.

I think there is an opportunity to monitor the situation with him. Rocking up early in the window, getting intro protracted negotiations with Levy only to spend 80-100 million later in the window because the negotiations are inevitably complex is Ed Woodward style stuff. Why not monitor the bidders that are there which are probably mostly going to come from abroad if at all, understand Kane's likely interest in those moves, and talk to him and his agent about the framework of a contract in the future? If they do make concrete moves for him and he's considering them, then yes, we have a big decision to make and we would also have an understanding of what bids are on the table and while we'd have to beat them, it at least provides us some kind of negotiation point with Spurs.
Monitoring wouldn't be a good move. I'd like us to do what Real did with Camavinga/Tchouameni and just get the big deal done early in the window. Then we can focus on sales and improve the rest of the squad.
This is where we have really lacked subtlety in the market over recent years, it has been all about cash and manager power and nothing to do with foresight, strategy and negotiation compared to better run clubs. Wading in handing over bags of cash is really amateur stuff that I don't think anyone else is going to do this summer, but I guess we'll see how it plays out. Clubs like Bayern or Real will try to exploit Levy's reluctance to sell to us with lower fees if they go for it at all, which is logical because that's their best hand, and if he doesn't want to go or they can't get a deal done they'll probably be happy to walk away and leave Spurs looking silly. I don't think they're going to contemplate the ridiclousness our fans are advocating for with big fees.
I don't think its amateur to pay 100m for Kane. Clubs do drop big amounts on players - Kane comes with an English premium and I accept we will need to pay a snip more than we'd ideally want, but such is the desperation at our club to have a TOP class 9. We haven't bought an established striker for the 9 that's worthy of the shirt since what, Zlatan? Let that sink in.
I am confident Ferguson or Hojland could "contribute." That's not a high benchmark. They're replacing Wout Weghorst and Anthony Martial, which is also a fairly low benchmark. They will improve us based on this season's striking play and they also contain a long term view. We are not beholden to Harry Kane to improve this side. He's a relatively certain option, yes, but by no means the only one or the only way to improve the overall side which has quite a few weak spots and only limited money available to do it.
Its fine to be confident but the fact remains there are still massive question marks for a player of their experience and rawness to come in and carry our forward line. It would be quite a stupid move in my opinion to be gagging for a proper 9 for almost 5 seasons and then see us pass on a generational striker in favour of a flavour of the month kid who might or might not work out.
 

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29yrs is old? Yes, if you’re 21.

Kane will be within his prime till 32. Footballers have been playing well into their 30s as far back as can remember. For some reason we all tend to only remember things that are aligned with us and ignore things that don’t.

I will not hide behind his age. I just don’t like the way he plays and him being the captain of England chasing a record will cause us problem when his form dips. Our experience with Ronaldo and his ability to score and Rooney “my captain will always play”. These are the reasons I don’t want him. God know he is worth every penny we might want to pay Tottenham but I don’t won’t come here in 2 years discussing how he is holding the team back.
This piece is down to my bias against him and unproven but I strongly believe he is the reason Tottenham as a team are this poor later part of the season. Tottenham played their best football this season when their game was going through the Swedish lad and Bentancur got injured, Kane then began playing his best football and it all went to shit. Let’s just hope Bruno another player I don’t like gets injured, we’d better ask Levy for a part refund because we were buying a striker to just score us goals and not a playmaker.
 

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exactly, kane is a couple year world class stop gap until the next wave develop enough to take over him when he leaves.
And who is this "next wave" then? Who will need to pay for it?

Kane dropping deep will help the runners on the wings. He would transform our play and have an impact akin to RVP.
Currently we have a runner. Singular. Rashford is considered a runner for sure and Garnacho as well but he is 18 and sure will not start if you don't want to see Rashford on the right. Wouldn't consider Antony and Sancho as runners.

I don't think its amateur to pay 100m for Kane. Clubs do drop big amounts on players - Kane comes with an English premium and I accept we will need to pay a snip more than we'd ideally want, but such is the desperation at our club to have a TOP class 9. We haven't bought an established striker for the 9 that's worthy of the shirt since what, Zlatan? Let that sink in.
But isn't it a bad thing to openly show desperation? Especially to a person like Levy? And actually, our desperation account is filled better than our bank accounts. We have put in loads of it with Maguire, Sancho and Antony. I'm seriously puzzled that it seems like fans don't have any issues with that and are even ready to bolster this account even more.

The last sentence sounds great but I am sure you remember that we have/had our own generational talent coming through who was supposed to take that spot. Who is still on the books by the way. I wonder if people would want Kane if MG wasn't taken out. I can't imagine for the sums that are being mentioned.
 

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But isn't it a bad thing to openly show desperation? Especially to a person like Levy? And actually, our desperation account is filled better than our bank accounts. We have put in loads of it with Maguire, Sancho and Antony. I'm seriously puzzled that it seems like fans don't have any issues with that and are even ready to bolster this account even more.

The last sentence sounds great but I am sure you remember that we have/had our own generational talent coming through who was supposed to take that spot. Who is still on the books by the way. I wonder if people would want Kane if MG wasn't taken out. I can't imagine for the sums that are being mentioned.
It's not desperation to tell them that we will want it done by x time before we officially move to our second choices.
It's also in Levy's best interest to get the situation sorted as soon as possible. He gains no advantage by drawing out a saga when he has many holes in his squad to fill, no proper DoF to help him and also a managerial uncertainty. Getting a clean solution to the Harry Kane problem is also in his interest.

I don't think Mason Greenwood has any relevance to this conversation to be honest.
 

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I can understand Spurs asking for such a high price for him because they’re totally screwed without him. The lads over at Fighting Cock pretty much think he’s gone, to the point they titled their match day thread with Brentford over the weekend as ‘Kane’s last home game for Spurs’

I don’t think Kane is declining but you’d be weary of injuries he might sustain at the point on though. I could see him playing comfortably at his current level another four years. He may have to retire internationally earlier to prolong it though a la Shearer, Scholes, Giggs etc

Son is definitely on the decline though so they’ve got the unenviable task of that huge void to fill with those two imminently.
 

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It's not desperation to tell them that we will want it done by x time before we officially move to our second choices.
It's also in Levy's best interest to get the situation sorted as soon as possible. He gains no advantage by drawing out a saga when he has many holes in his squad to fill, no proper DoF to help him and also a managerial uncertainty. Getting a clean solution to the Harry Kane problem is also in his interest.
Ah - I misunderstood you then and I agree.

edit: I checked, don't think, this was the context of desperation in the initial post but whatever.

I don't think Mason Greenwood has any relevance to this conversation to be honest.
You said that United didn't bring in a worthy striker since Ibrahimovic. I think, Cavani wasn't the worst decision at the time and having Greenwood around meant, that striker should be covered long term. So you have your reason why nobody else was brought in. Not like Woody or Murtough wouldn't have jumped on a chance to buy a shiny striker.
 

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Ah - I misunderstood you then and I agree.


You said that United didn't bring in a worthy striker since Ibrahimovic. I think, Cavani wasn't the worst decision at the time and having Greenwood around meant, that striker should be covered long term. So you have your reason why nobody else was brought in. Not like Woody or Murtough wouldn't have jumped on a chance to buy a shiny striker.
Re. Greenwood I think at that stage it was still too early to think of a stop gap and then to consider him. He needed a lot more experience, and was still learning off the right hand side. We made a big mistake in never really trying to replace Lukaku.