It's fine to write off 1 bad season when their whole team are poor like this, but Mount? Are we actually targeting a player whose heatmap is more similar to Bruno than Eriksen or any other 8s usually mentioned to pair up with Case and just hope that works?
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Any more than 30 million and I’m out, or if we are somehow getting 40 for Scott then I’m fine with it.
Before this season he won Chelsea's POTY two years in a row didn't he?
If we can get him then great but absolutely not for the £80M that's being hurled about in the rumours.
If we can get him then great but absolutely not for the £80M that's being hurled about in the rumours.
Its the ornacle though
Jesus fecking Christ, I have some reservations about this signing but Mount is nowhere near as crap as some of you are making out.
In some ways, if Ten Hag is looking for a more athletic version of Eriksen the signing actually somewhat makes sense. Mount is really good off the ball, and excellent at providing defensive cover. He's not as technically proficient as Eriksen but considering De Jong is off the table, we're either going to need to compromise on a midfielder, not buy one, or spend north of 80 million on someone like Caicedo. (And for the record, I highly doubt Mount will go for anything near the 80 million that Chelsea want)
In some ways, if Ten Hag is looking for a more athletic version of Eriksen the signing actually somewhat makes sense. Mount is really good off the ball, and excellent at providing defensive cover. He's not as technically proficient as Eriksen but considering De Jong is off the table, we're either going to need to compromise on a midfielder, not buy one, or spend north of 80 million on someone like Caicedo. (And for the record, I highly doubt Mount will go for anything near the 80 million that Chelsea want)
If that is true then I endorse these rumours wholeheartedly. It is about time those feckers stopped having it all their own way in the transfer market.
In summary, a player who can fill in as a left winger, advanced 8, 10 but not do any of it to a starter level IMO for a title challenging outfit. He worked in that Chelsea outfit under Tuchel because it was a very bespoke system with width provided from the wing backs and Mount had a very versatile role where he could help make the midfield a 3 off the ball and then be a free roaming player in attack with no real responsibility but was expected to get the odd goal and assist which he did well before his recent downturn in form. In the league this system was easy to prepare for and Mount wasn't able to be dynamic and unpredictable enough to push Chelsea to the next level, whereas in UCL he was a surprise package from a tactical perspective.
Based on his age, last year of contract and the fact he doesn't really fill any gaping hole in this United squad - on balance, £40m would be a fair price but is he going to be a rotation option or shoehorned into the starting XI. I like him but am struggling to see the tactical fit here between him and Bruno? Seems more of a player who would sort out Liverpool's current issues or fit in at Newcastle.
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Your opinion is redundant. Even you've admitted yourself you have no idea what you're talking about.
They haven't been great. £250m in the summer was an large outlay for not much. Martinez is the only one that there are no arguments was a slam dunk success.Yeah his signings have been terrible.
Ornstein: Mount leaning towards Manchester United if Chelsea agree to sell.
RedCafe: Jesus Christ, he is not worth £80m and McTominay is the far superior player anyway.
RedCafe: Jesus Christ, he is not worth £80m and McTominay is the far superior player anyway.
Not quite. I just admitted I might have been wrong since I’m able to do so. Unlike your arrogant, half witted self.
Sorry for hitting a nerve there precious.
Simply saying whichever team he plays next season that team fans will be happy for them signing him including chelsea also. He is a brilliant player.
The 80 million figure is the price Chelsea want for him. 50-55 million is the price we're quoted as being willing to pay.
Chelsea more than us need to sell players for FFP purposes, and Mount being a youth player is a perfect candidate. With him having a year left on his contract, I really do not think they have the leverage to get that 80 million pound fee.
Chelsea more than us need to sell players for FFP purposes, and Mount being a youth player is a perfect candidate. With him having a year left on his contract, I really do not think they have the leverage to get that 80 million pound fee.
I really don't think this is true. He's great at pressing and for an attacking player his engine is superb but I don't think he's excellent at providing defensive cover. Switch Eriksen out for Mount and I think we win ball higher up the pitch more but I'd worry about his defensive capabilities just as much as Eriksen.
I think as a midfielder his passing ability is some way off Eriksen too.
He's certainly not a rubbish player but for where were are as a squad, the budget and wages I just don't see how this would make much sense.
I would say Liverpool is probably the best fit for him. I think he'd potentially have similar issues at Arsenal too, though probably a better fit than United.
Agreed midfield balance looks quite off and ideally we should be targeting different profile of midfielder .
But I am certainly not buying the notion of United willing to make opening offer of 55 m for Mount infact one the reason we might be in for Mount is his favourable contract situation . I simply can't see United going beyond 40 m for him with only year left on his contract .
Martinez, Eriksen, Casemiro all great signings. Malacia was a cheap young player who is a solid backup to Shaw. Antony we overpaid for but I think he will turn out to be a good player for years to come.
I refuse to believe this. Imagine working on a budget and then spending tens of millions on Mason Mount.
I don't think that's true tbh. The only people I've seen that rate him particularly highly are Chelsea fans. Most Liverpool and Arsenal fans I know don't rate him highly either.
This is the kind of player who'd be a decent back-up to Bruno and rotate when he needs rest instead of the likes of DvB and Sabitzer. I don't really mind Sabitzer, but he's on a crazy salary and I think Mount is easily the better player. If we still can afford our other more pressing needs and still afford £40m for Mount, I think it would be good business.
Personally, I would prefer Maddison but I can't imagine him coming here to sit on the bench.
Personally, I would prefer Maddison but I can't imagine him coming here to sit on the bench.
Because you support United and in general we are terrible at negotiating for players? So if Chelsea says his price is north of 60m it’s very optimistic to think we are going to get him for some cut rate?
Also Chelsea has plenty of players to sell, Mount isn’t the only one
We’ve been linked with Kane all season and it’s a top priority.
Who is everyone? It’s mainly Chelsea fans that love him, and much of that is off the back of him being a big part of that CL team (in which he played in a completely different position and system)
Is it "massive"?
I'd throw him and Fred into the same ballpark. Completely different players but they're both players that aren't top class but can serve a tactical function.
I would not say he has the quality of Eriksen. More legs and youth about him, yes, but not neccessarily a better player - and besides I don't see Mount as a deep midfielder at the moment.
He's better than DVDB by default, because he's a PL footballer, and he's better than McTominay but this doesn't seem much to rave about.
I don't really get what he adds to any of our attacking 3 behind the striker that is overwhelmingly an upgrade on what we have. It seems like filler.
Can't blame Chelsea for wanting more than 55m if we are interested. They saw us pay 85m for a fidget spinner.
That's the knock on effect of paying stupid money for players like Antony, Maguire, Sancho. We paid over 50m for AWB n Fred as well.
Personally I'd be happy enough at 45-50m. Don't think he's worth more than that.
That's the knock on effect of paying stupid money for players like Antony, Maguire, Sancho. We paid over 50m for AWB n Fred as well.
Personally I'd be happy enough at 45-50m. Don't think he's worth more than that.
Mount is not like Bruno, by the way. I don't understand people who think he'd be a Bruno back-up at all.
Casemiro was very clearly a success
We are going to buy Mount and then people will wonder why we can’t hold the ball against Brighton or someone when we employ a Bruno/Mount/Casemiro midfield
I like mount as a signing, he would be great competition for Eriksen. but I just don’t see us having the money to do it.
We need a striker, goalkeeper and back up for Casemiro.The striker alone may take up our budget.
Unless Qatar come in and throws around silly money, we don’t have the money in the kind of funds we are talking about. We can’t spend 200 million ever year, the club will get in serious financial trouble if we do.
We need a striker, goalkeeper and back up for Casemiro.The striker alone may take up our budget.
Unless Qatar come in and throws around silly money, we don’t have the money in the kind of funds we are talking about. We can’t spend 200 million ever year, the club will get in serious financial trouble if we do.
He won Chelsea player of the year twice tbf. And they weren't a joke in either of those seasons like they are this year. Won CL too in one of those seasons let's not forget.
He is much better than a lot of our midfielders. Fred Mctominay Donny aren't good at all.
Casemiro as well, but that wasn’t even a Ten Hag signing really.
But he also preferred Timber to Martinez, shelled out for Antony a record fee, obsessed over De Jong for far too long, and then went for Weghorst in Jan.
It really feels like he has a brutal bias towards players he’s familiar playing with/against over anyone. Even Mount was player of the season at Vitesse, guarantee Erik is thinking about him from there.
Lets be real here. We are buying him to press. Most of our midfield players can't do that to the required level that ETH wants.
I don't really see him in those positions anyway. Most of his best seasons seem to be when he's getting actions in the final third. Chipping in with goals and assists.
Our deep roles are mainly about solidity (Casemiro) and build up (Eriksen). What's the point in Mason Mount there, what are we expecting him to do? He's not an expert in build up or providing defensive solidity. He's an extra midfielder that presses a lot, or plays further forward in more attacking situations. I can't really pinpoint what he is strengthening except to say "well, he provides options." Which he does, but it's a bit costly to do that.
Just out of curiosity How many transfer stories Ornstein or Sami Mokbel first one to link Mount to United have broken for United .Its the ornacle though
He’s doesn’t excel in areas we desperately lack. He’s not great in tight spaces and is not really a creative passer. He doesn’t help is keep the ball better.
Why do we need this guy exactly? Sounds like bs.
Mounts a good player TBF. The price tag is the main issue.
He hasn't been playing much though, what happened?
He used to be Chelsea's best player for the most part
He hasn't been playing much though, what happened?
He used to be Chelsea's best player for the most part
What is he good at? Whenever I’ve seen him play he looks very average.
I think we might sign Rabiot to cover the deeper role tbf
Agreed! It’s ETH style, he’s wanted to implement this for a while, just didn’t have the players, this is definitely one of those players for that style of play. Just think there could be better options and I hope hes not the only midfielder to come in
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