Alexis Mac Allister | Moves to Liverpool for 35m according to Romano

[Rado_N]

People seem to forget that clubs can and will get in touch with agents to sound out a player's interest in a move, and just assume that if we'd made a bid and offered him a contract, we'd have gotten him instead.

Precisely

 

[sizzling sausages]

Let's not pretend this is some transformative signing for Liverpool. He's nothing more than a steady squad option. He would not be a guaranteed starter for any of the top three clubs. The Athletic are reporting the fee as over £45m, which is a fair fee if McTominay is going for roughly £35m.

Who are the top 3 clubs? He'd absolutely start for us and Arsenal as things stand.

 

[Highfather_24]

Sad to see a player would rather join Liverpool than United, after the season we had. Because if United were not in for him at 35M, then there's something wrong with our recruitment.

 

[Davie Moyes]

Come on people. Use your common sense. Anyone following transfers in recent years and especially regarding Brighton it's fairly obvious that the total fee will be around £55m as reported by the BBC and Brighton journos.

Just because Romano is the only one saying £35m I don't know why everyone is going with his figure which makes no sense whatsoever, release clause or not.

I've got a feeling Romano is trying to come across as more in the know than anyone else by putting a scouse favoured PR element to it. At the most maybe the initial base fee is £35m with achievable add-ons taking it to £55m.

 

[Woodzy]

Sad to see a player would rather join Liverpool than United, after the season we had. Because if United were not in for him at 35M, then there's something wrong with our recruitment.

a) how would we know we could get him for £35m if we were not interested in him?

b) if we were in for him and he wanted to join us then we could have signed him for £35m too

I swear people think we have a given right to sign every player in world football.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Who are the top 3 clubs? He'd absolutely start for us and Arsenal as things stand.

He is not better than Casemiro, Eriksen, or Bruno. He would have competed with Sabitzer this season at Man Utd. I appreciate he may me more of an all round player but he isn't particularly brilliant at anything.

Regarding Arsenal, Mac Allister is not better than Odegaard, Xhaka, or Partey.

Honestly if it wasn't for a handful of Messi penalties in the world cup we would not be hyping Mac Allister.

 

[Suedesi]

Respectfully where do these Twitter sources pull this stuff from? I think I know, but it’s a bit rude.

The problem is it feeds into fans’ excitement (which is why they do it) but ultimately leads to upset when it’s all nonsense.

Of course the top clubs in the country are “monitoring” a World Cup winning centre midfielder of a “smaller” team. You don’t need to be ITK to state the obvious. You could substitute the name of three or four of our players into this, and hey presto, transfer rumour clickbait.

As for the fee, this is the kind of thing which breeds misinformation, leading to comments such as the one above. Now, some fans will have this arbitrary made-up fee of £61m stuck in their heads.

£90m for Ferguson and Mac Allister would of course be fantastic for you, but in reality it would be closer to to £90m each.

Really? How come Mac Allister moved for £35m?

 

[Red Star One]

He is not better than Casemiro, Eriksen, or Bruno. He would have competed with Sabitzer this season at Man Utd. I appreciate he may me more of an all round player but he isn't particularly brilliant at anything.

Regarding Arsenal, Mac Allister is not better than Odegaard, Xhaka, or Partey.

Honestly if it wasn't for a handful of Messi penalties in the world cup we would not be hyping Mac Allister.

If you don’t think he’d easily displace Eriksen than fair enough, but that’s a very controversial statement for me and hard to defend looking at performances this season

 

[Crimson King]

Sad to see a player would rather join Liverpool than United, after the season we had. Because if United were not in for him at 35M, then there's something wrong with our recruitment.

Christ on a bike, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that anything you've said here is true!

We don't know how much he went for, there's a £20m disparity in these tweets. Lots of clubs were probably talking to his agent and knew how much he could be bought for. We don't know how many of those were serious and had him as first choice, so it might be that he didn't really have many options to choose from. Even if he had his pick of clubs, he will have chosen the club that suited him best in terms of money and minutes. Stature or league position, based on one season out of many, aren't the only things a player will consider when moving.

Maybe just wait until the end of the transfer window before making such ridiculous conclusions? Especially if they're based on nothing but your own pessimism.

 

[redcucumber]

He is not better than Casemiro, Eriksen, or Bruno. He would have competed with Sabitzer this season at Man Utd. I appreciate he may me more of an all round player but he isn't particularly brilliant at anything.

Regarding Arsenal, Mac Allister is not better than Odegaard, Xhaka, or Partey.

Honestly if it wasn't for a handful of Messi penalties in the world cup we would not be hyping Mac Allister.

You seriously don't think he'd be starting over Eriksen and Xhaka? Do you think Mount would start over either of those two?

 

[KiD MoYeS]

If you don’t think he’d easily displace Eriksen than fair enough, but that’s a very controversial statement for me and hard to defend looking at performances this season

People forger how good Eriksen was prior to his injury. He is a much superior passer to Mac Allister and more suited to our midfield three.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

You seriously don't think he'd be starting over Eriksen and Xhaka? Do you think Mount would start over either of those two?

What does Mac Allister excel at?

 

[sizzling sausages]

He is not better than Casemiro, Eriksen, or Bruno. He would have competed with Sabitzer this season at Man Utd. I appreciate he may me more of an all round player but he isn't particularly brilliant at anything.

Regarding Arsenal, Mac Allister is not better than Odegaard, Xhaka, or Partey.

Honestly if it wasn't for a handful of Messi penalties in the world cup we would not be hyping Mac Allister.

I think he'd easily displace Eriksen and we'd have been a lot more solid this season if he was in there with Casemiro than we have been.

I think he'd start ahead of Xhaka for Arsenal too but Xhaka had a very good season so have no issue with people disagreeing with that one.

 

[redcucumber]

What does Mac Allister excel at?

He's a tactically and technically smart player. Actively wants the ball (both deep and high up the pitch) and is very good at progressing the play, either through dribbling or passing. He's been instrumental for a Brighton side that has been one of Europe's best performing teams. He'll be an automatic starter for them, is he feck a squaddie. Not sure he has the legs for what we're after (I'd rather Caicedo), but loads on here have been clamouring for a deep lying playmaker and Mac Allister is that having proven himself in the PL and World Cup. It's a good signing for em.

 

[Red Star One]

People forger how good Eriksen was prior to his injury. He is a much superior passer to Mac Allister and more suited to our midfield three.

Yes but pre-injury was in January so few months back, he never came back to same levels and he never had the energy required even before the injury. Also the discussion was not about who was better at their peak, but if MacA would walk into our line up right now or come the beginning of next season. For me the answer is yes, at the expense of Eriksen - in fact replacing the Dane as our starter is one of our top priorities.

 

[zaafi]

Who are the top 3 clubs? He'd absolutely start for us and Arsenal as things stand.

He'd start for us, but who do you think he would get ahead of at Arsenal?

You seriously don't think he'd be starting over Eriksen and Xhaka? Do you think Mount would start over either of those two?

He would start over Eriksen, but mainly because he has a far higher work rate and stamina than Eriksen.
Normally, I'd agree with you that he would start over Xhaka, but Xhaka has been really great for Arsenal this season and got far better stats than MacAllister as well.

 

[Righteous Steps]

He'd start for us, but who do you think he would get ahead of at Arsenal?


He would start over Eriksen, but mainly because he has a far higher work rate and stamina than Eriksen.
Normally, I'd agree with you that he would start over Xhaka, but Xhaka has been really great for Arsenal this season and got far better stats than MacAllister as well.

Stats are more than goals and assists and those stats in isolation normally isn't the best way to judge midfielders.

 

[DJ_21]

Makes me wonder why we wasn’t all over this when he can play similar position to mount. Mounts gonna cost dearer and Mac Allister would have chose us aswell as we can offer CL football.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

a) how would we know we could get him for £35m if we were not interested in him?

b) if we were in for him and he wanted to join us then we could have signed him for £35m too

I swear people think we have a given right to sign every player in world football.

Because in the modern day in which ever sniff of interest is reported on, we almost had nothing in months on Macallister.


The better question is when is the last time we got a good deal? Varane?

 

[zaafi]

Stats are more than goals and assists and those stats in isolation normally isn't the best way to judge midfielders.

I know, but being able to assist and a goal threat as a midfielder when you're not even as attack-oriented as MacAllister is a huge bonus for Arsenal. I would look away from the stats if MacAllister was similar to De Jong, for instance, who can dictate the game and get out of dangerous situations consistently, but he really isn't that kind of player even if he has done it at times.
I see him as a bit more offensive Fred type of player, who obviously has better ability on the ball and a more intelligent player. And I mean that as a compliment, but ultimately I don't think he will ever be a player that makes a big difference.

 

[Highfather_24]

Christ on a bike, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that anything you've said here is true!

We don't know how much he went for, there's a £20m disparity in these tweets. Lots of clubs were probably talking to his agent and knew how much he could be bought for. We don't know how many of those were serious and had him as first choice, so it might be that he didn't really have many options to choose from. Even if he had his pick of clubs, he will have chosen the club that suited him best in terms of money and minutes. Stature or league position, based on one season out of many, aren't the only things a player will consider when moving.

Maybe just wait until the end of the transfer window before making such ridiculous conclusions? Especially if they're based on nothing but your own pessimism.

A press resistant deep lying midfielder with proven mentality at the top level for 35M-45M? Its a bargain. Profile suits us to a tee.

If we let this transfer slip to Liverpool, that reflects badly on us. If we were never there in the first place, that puts question marks over our transfer strategy.

So anyway we slice it, if we dont get a much much better midfielder, this is bad. Mount at 50-60M compared to this is a very questionable choice.

 

[Red Star One]

The better question is when is the last time we got a good deal? Varane?

Licha was less than 60m euros right? Not a steal but a good deal nonetheless (if we can look at our business with Ajax on a player by player basis, not as a whole)

 

[zaafi]

A press resistant deep lying midfielder with proven mentality at the top level for 35M-45M? Its a bargain. Profile suits us to a tee.

If we let this transfer slip to Liverpool, that reflects badly on us. If we were never there in the first place, that puts question marks over our transfer strategy.

So anyway we slice it, if we dont get a much much better midfielder, this is bad. Mount at 50-60M compared to this is a very questionable choice.

When did he become a press resistant deep lying playmaker?

 

[Righteous Steps]

I know, but being able to assist and a goal threat as a midfielder when you're not even as attack-oriented as MacAllister is a huge bonus for Arsenal. I would look away from the stats if MacAllister was similar to De Jong, for instance, who can dictate the game and get out of dangerous situations consistently, but he really isn't that kind of player even if he has done it at times.
I see him as a bit more offensive Fred type of player, who obviously has better ability on the ball and a more intelligent player. And I mean that as a compliment, but ultimately I don't think he will ever be a player that makes a big difference.

Thats a fair description.

 

[Righteous Steps]

When did he become a press resistant deep lying playmaker?

He is press resistant, he loses the ball than every other midfielder in the league bar like 3-4, he can play deep lying playmaker but think he is better further forward as an 8.

 

[roonster09]

Everytime Liverpool or any of our rivals sign a player, the usual "why are we not in for him" posts, as if we have rights over every player and we decide the market.

 

[zaafi]

He is press resistant, he loses the ball than every other midfielder in the league bar like 3-4, he can play deep lying playmaker but think he is better further forward as an 8.

Yeah, I also remember him wanting to play as an attacking midfielder, similarly to Bruno.

Is he really that press resistant? I don't think I've ever seen him feign body movements or escape a situation with a quick turn like De Jong or Verratti. Obviously there are other ways to be press resistant, but I think these are the most effective methods, otherwise it's going to be a case as with Pogba, who himself was press resistant but also lost the ball quite frequently in dangerous position when we used him as the deep lying playmaker.

It's going to be interesting to watch him next season, and hopefully he won't make Liverpool a lot better!

 

[Lash]

Everytime Liverpool or any of our rivals sign a player, the usual "why are we not in for him" posts, as if we have rights over every player and we decide the market.

Whilst I agree in general, with how low the fee is potentially coming out at, you have to say this does seems like one we probably should have been interested in. Naturally Liverpool went the furthest and he likely wouldn't have chosen anyone else because of their sustained interest in him, but if we end up faffing about with negotiations with teams like Tottenham and Chelsea for most of the window, I feel there is a bit of a point to be made.

 

[roonster09]

Whilst I agree in general, with how low the fee is potentially coming out at, you have to say this does seems like one we probably should have been interested in. Naturally Liverpool went the furthest and he likely wouldn't have chosen anyone else because of their sustained interest in him, but if we end up faffing about with negotiations with teams like Tottenham and Chelsea for most of the window, I feel there is a bit of a point to be made.

BBC, Brighton journalists reported fee as 55 million, i don't know why it's considered as low fee or considered as a guaranteed successful transfer.

Maybe we reached out his agent and he wanted only Liverpool? Or maybe both clubs wanted to sign Mount and once Mount said he wants to join ManUtd, Liverpool moved on?

 

[tenpoless]

If we signed him for the exact same fee and then Liverpool went for Mount, we'd still moan about it. "Mount is a CL winner, Chelsea's POTY ahead of Jorginho and Kovacic. We missed out big time, Liverpool got a bargain".

 

[Red Star One]

If we signed him for the exact same fee and then Liverpool went for Mount, we'd still moan about it. "Mount is a CL winner, Chelsea's POTY ahead of Jorginho and Kovacic. We missed out big time, Liverpool got a bargain".

If Pool were linked with Mount with Chelsea asking for 80m or so I doubt the narrative would be “they got a bargain”, but they would be rather laughed at.

 

[dinostar77]

A press resistant deep lying midfielder with proven mentality at the top level for 35M-45M? Its a bargain. Profile suits us to a tee.

If we let this transfer slip to Liverpool, that reflects badly on us. If we were never there in the first place, that puts question marks over our transfer strategy.

So anyway we slice it, if we dont get a much much better midfielder, this is bad. Mount at 50-60M compared to this is a very questionable choice.

Since when?

 

[tenpoless]

If Pool were linked with Mount with Chelsea asking for 80m or so I doubt the narrative would be “they got a bargain”, but they would be rather laughed at.

"You look at the neighbors car and think its a green car but you look at your own garden and there is also a green car" - Sir Alex Ferguson

 

[Crimson King]

A press resistant deep lying midfielder with proven mentality at the top level for 35M-45M? Its a bargain. Profile suits us to a tee.

If we let this transfer slip to Liverpool, that reflects badly on us. If we were never there in the first place, that puts question marks over our transfer strategy.

So anyway we slice it, if we dont get a much much better midfielder, this is bad. Mount at 50-60M compared to this is a very questionable choice.

He isn't a press-resistant, deep-lying midfielder.

You are massively overreacting.

 

[Nickosaur]

Wait for Naylor to confirm the official figure. I don't believe for a second that it's 35m

 

[IRELANDUNITED]

He’s nothing special, I think he knows that himself otherwise he’d have went to a champions league club.

 

[Righteous Steps]

Yeah, I also remember him wanting to play as an attacking midfielder, similarly to Bruno.

Is he really that press resistant? I don't think I've ever seen him feign body movements or escape a situation with a quick turn like De Jong or Verratti. Obviously there are other ways to be press resistant, but I think these are the most effective methods, otherwise it's going to be a case as with Pogba, who himself was press resistant but also lost the ball quite frequently in dangerous position when we used him as the deep lying playmaker.

It's going to be interesting to watch him next season, and hopefully he won't make Liverpool a lot better!

He is that why he rarely loses the ball, he isn't as press resistant as Veratti but i don't think any midfielder in the world is. He isn't like Pogba, Pogba was press resistant but would dilly and dally on the ball due to arrogance, Mac Allister gets rid of it much quicker and has a lower centre of gravity.

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

I'd imagine the figure disparities are related to bonuses. This happens fairly frequently with Liverpool transfers, where some reporters go with an impressively low fee and then others report a slightly less impressive higher fee. Whereas with our transfers, all bonuses appear to be included in any reported fees. Even the stupid ones involving Martial winning the Ballon d'Or or Bruno climbing Mount Everest or some shite like that are added into the "official" figure.

 

[Crimson King]

I'd imagine the figure disparities are related to bonuses. This happens fairly frequently with Liverpool transfers, where some reporters go with an impressively low fee and then others report a slightly less impressive higher fee. Whereas with our transfers, all clauses appear to be included in any reported fees. Even the stupid ones involving Martial winning the Ballon d'Or or Bruno climbing Mount Everest or some shite like that are added into the "official" figure.

Don't forget when they include the cost of paying that player's wages over the course of their contract in the total fee. We must be the only club where some journalists insist on doing that.

 

[Lash]

BBC, Brighton journalists reported fee as 55 million, i don't know why it's considered as low fee or considered as a guaranteed successful transfer.

Maybe we reached out his agent and he wanted only Liverpool? Or maybe both clubs wanted to sign Mount and once Mount said he wants to join ManUtd, Liverpool moved on?

Yeah, I'm splitting the difference. In the same way we probably paid 35/40m for Amad. No transfer can be predicted to be a guaranteed success, but for the price it's very smart investing.

Maybe, we will see in the coming weeks, but it's undeniably a good bit of business, done very early - which was supposed to be our MO this summer.