Boehly has a strong interest in not letting Mount leave for free next summer. He knows this summer is the last window for a decent fee. So conversely, he has an interest in not leaving it to the last minute.
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Still wouldn’t do anymore than 40+10 for him, if you are going near 70 you may as well go all in for Caicedo.
I just feel there is a slight disconnect between Caicedo's perception amongst the Fans when compared to Club's .
For Clubs he is a good young talent but for some fans specifically of United , he has some how been elevated to almost mythical status capable of performing all midfield roles to high level when it's simply isn't true .
I'm not sure he sees it that way to be honest. He spend about 30m gbp on Aubameyang for 2 years (salary included) which says a lot. For him it's a toy, it doesn't have to be economically smart I believe. Set a high price and you might keep a player you like would be his logic. Then convince him with more money to sign afterwards. His logic could be to say to Mount - "look we set a price, we're on your side. Oh no one bought you? How about a new contract? Or do you want to sit on the bench for a year?"
Who else is interested in him?
Yeah, what you said might be spot on.
I think he is a good player, if Chelsea signs him their midfield will be very good with Caicedo and Enzo. For us, it might not work as good with Casemiro as CM pair.
This. Anyone stating the opposite knows nothing about footy.
If he's cheap he'd be a good squad player.
Hopefully this is classic United where we are considering, weighing up, studying, contemplating options.
And then nothing happens.
And then nothing happens.
There is a reason why smart clubs shop from other leagues. Anybody with a year left on his contract is normally sold at 30m to 40m max. Liverpool bought Thiago for 25m, Pavard is available for 35m. Barca bought Lewa for 40m.
We should offer them 40m and our last offer should be 40m + 5m add ons take it and leave it.
This 70m should rather be spent on Caicedo which is a far better player and will give us more options as he can play in place of Casemiro and alongside him to give us more solidity.
We should offer them 40m and our last offer should be 40m + 5m add ons take it and leave it.
This 70m should rather be spent on Caicedo which is a far better player and will give us more options as he can play in place of Casemiro and alongside him to give us more solidity.
So re-watched this, trying to see what utd see in him. Very good long passer, can get goals from midfield. That seems to be his main strengths.
No less press resistant than MacAllister who half the posters on here are creaming themselves over.
Also quite creative in the final third as well. Just two seasons ago he was #2 in chances created, only behind Bruno.
Really not hard to see what Ten Hag sees in him.
That's not true. I've been frustrated watching Mount play for England and always felt he could give more, but he's technically vastly superior to Henderson and much more mobile than Eriksen.
I feel like I can see a lot of his weaknesses pretty clearly, but despite not being his biggest fan I can still see what he can bring to a team. Even just his goals against poor opposition would be a bonus as goals are something we're severely lacking in our squad. Can also take a decent set piece which we always seem to struggle with.
Whether he'd be a good addition to the squad and whether he is worth £70m in the last year of his contract are two different questions with different answers.
Also thinks Arthur is better, so his opinions on players can be safely disregarded.
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Ten Hag wants him for his pressing and ball progression. He also is good at crossing, through balls and is a goal threat. He will play as an 8 most likely, that presses high.
Correct me if I'm wrong but signing a pre agreement isn't allowed between English clubs with 6 months remaining. We signed Barkley years back in January when his Everton contract ran out that summer, for £15m. You are right though we are gambling on repairing the relationship with Mount, either tanking his value or he actually comes around. That's the risk we are willing to take for a player we don't want to lose.
Arsenal and Liverpool have been linked. Just because you guys are the frontrunners doesn't necessarily mean the others have dropped interest.
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I miss the days when we would sign a player that someone in the world hadn't heard of
Like Garnacho?
Ofcourse you can't sign a player like that, unless they are plucked from some bottom division in Africa or Romania. It's a world connected with social media where even U-14 players names are mentioned all over twitter. The moment there is a slightest of hint, the names will be searched million times and there will be 1000s of videos floating about them.
Those kind of signings happen at academy level. For big clubs and for first team, most of the players will be known.
Yeah English clubs can't.
Also I don't think Liverpool or Arsenal would be spending 70 million on Mount.
There's absolutely no way anyone is spending that amount of money on Mount with a year left on his contract when you're likely to be able to grab the likes of Caicedo for not much more. Looking at reports Liverpool have already moved onto Thuram and Man Utd Kone and Arsenal look to be signing Rice and going in for Caicedo again.
It's us or staying i'd say
They are completely different profile of players. If you want to play Mourinho football with 2 DMs then Caicedo or Rice, if you want to play possession football like ETH then Mount.
Think the £70m asking price is a load of fluff to be honest. Either a negotiating tactic to get you nearer to what we want or just a feck off price.
Genuinely think we'd sell for £45-50m base rising to £60mish. And even that is a lot.
That's what I think, maybe your owner is testing the market. Already Madrid moved on from Kai Havertz, maybe it's a hint.
I think that's a realistic price, going by reports ManUtd will pay around 55 million.
People seem to be missing this point. Two very different profiles of midfielders as you said. Mount would bring qualities to our midfield, as would caicedo, different qualities.
I mean Caicedo literally played for one of the best possession teams in the world last year, so what you're saying makes 0 sense.
Also Mount has the worst passing stats of any of those you mentioned in terms of ball security... so yeah
There are matches when ball retention isn't going to be the primary need and there are others who can lift/compensate for that 'weakness'.
Mount is all about ball winning, chaos in the middle, then quick and incisive transitions into the final third. He also has good delivery from anywhere on the pitch.
In order to control midfield, you can counterpress and create controlled chaos, not just a stranglehold a la City. Mount fits a system that EtH would like to develop and be flexible.
Isn't that too similar to Bruno's qualities? Especially the chaos and good delivery part. IMO Caicedo would bring us much more qualities required for ETHs style.
I made the mistake of not being clear.
What I meant to say was that for the team Manchester United, a team that has Casemiro, adding a player that is mostly defensive makes no sense.
Agree. On paper, a duo consisting of Casemiro and Caicedo looks beastly and unbreakable, but it's too defensive and not the style Ten Hag wants to implement. Some might want it and hope it's the route we're going to go, but it's not realistic.
The ideal scenario would be to get Caicedo and have them compete with each other, and eventually Caicedo is going to replace Casemiro, but with the progress he's had this season, I can't imagine him coming here unless he has been assured he's a starter.
I do not blame the fans though. We have been used to being a little team against big teams, to defend. So it's natural that people want some more of that. The small team mentality is wide spread in united fans. It's about how do you stop rather then how do you play. This is why people want Rice and etc DMs. Small club thinking is with a lot of fans.
I said this before earlier, and I’ll say it again (you are right btw), that there are two ways (in its simplest form) to play 3 in midfield. A regular triangle and an inverted triangle. Caicedo would necessitate a regular triangle, which is inherently defensive. Mount would give us an inverted triangle with two aggressive 8s and allow us to play a much more proactive forward press and sit higher up the pitch. This is clearly how ETH wants to play.
The whole Caicedo vs Mount debate isn’t just a debate on players, it’s a debate on tactics. And you have to buy the players the manager wants to implement his preferred approach. Which means it’s Mount. I think everything else becomes moot. Because Caicedo isn’t coming here to be an understudy to Casemiro, and no one should be spending 80m on a player who isn’t essentially an automatic first choice.
Saying we should sign Caicedo instead is akin to saying, not only do I think we should sign a different player, but I want the manager to play in a different way. Okay, as a theoretical debate, but utterly pointless if we prioritise plausibility over accuracy. We are in the market for an 8, and it seems most likely a forward thinking 8. Caicedo is neither of those things.
If we sign a 6, it’ll either be as an understudy to Casemiro, or it’ll be a hybrid 6/8 who can perform two roles. And I’d venture much more likely to be someone like Rabiot on a free. Caicedo is a brilliant player in many regards, but given how the manager wants to play, he’s a square peg in a round hole.
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Hope this pointless pursuit ends soon.
Yep.
If people don't want us to sign Mount (which is fine) then they should understand that in practical terms that means signing a different player in that advanced #8 mold. And so far I've seen few alternatives suggested who actually fit that profile. Mostly players like Caicedo and Rice, who don't.
Maddison has been mentioned a few times I suppose, but if you're concerned that we'll be too lightweight defensively with Mount then Maddison would be worse again. Mac Allister was mentioned a few times too, but that ship has sailed. And neither are particularly big upgrades on Mount in general terms, if upgrades at all.
Accepting the shape ETH wants, I struggle to think of any obvious options we'd be passing over in favour of Mount.
Ideally, Caicedo and Mount would be great solutions in the immediate term (depth, tactical flexibility, starting every now and then) and then long-term looking ahead past Casemiro.
But Mount has much more positional flexibility than Caicedo and is proven to have end product in Europe and PL.
If United sign Rabiot on a free, transfer in Mount, sell McTominay, and phase out Fred after next season, we'll then reinforce another midfielder as that's Eriksen's last year, and vdB should be gone.
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Made it there to show some kind of analytical view into these player's style and what they were asked to do the most.
The main concern for me is the note that he doesn't have that many touches/passes compared to attacking midfielders in his position and just hangs on the periphery of games. Anyone who's watched him for England will recognise that all too well which is why most fans were begging for Southgate to drop him.
That tendancy he has means it's unlikely he'll be a great fit for a proper disciplined, deep lying midfield role. The role partnering Casemiro and Bruno, absolutely everything should be going through him, he should be our main link from defence to attack. A player who doesn't take responsibility and have many touches of the ball is just not what we're looking for surely?
Now, you can argue changing his role from a more attacking role to a proper midfield role will transform him from a player who isn't heavily involved in the game to the main man who has the most touches and passes in the team. I suspect he's always going to be a periphery player though.
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