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OuchI'm not sure it's a wind up, I think it's actually, without being rude, utter ignorance being shown.
Seems odd to air it on a United forum though instead of to a dipsh!t mate in the park
OuchI'm not sure it's a wind up, I think it's actually, without being rude, utter ignorance being shown.
Seems odd to air it on a United forum though instead of to a dipsh!t mate in the park
Mhm, your crying about City being state owned, but quite happy for you to be? Let me guess all u had was spoons when all u needed was a knife?Why would I come back to you next year? Your points right now are absolute shite
I just think he doesn’t understand much. Even his questions don’t make any sense.Spurs fans being WUMs on this forum shocker.
Calm down there Cantona.Mhm, your crying about City being state owned, but quite happy for you to be? Let me guess all u had was spoons when all u needed was a knife?
Well deflected, I see no answer.Calm down there Cantona.
It was your own Lord Sugar that turned the Premier League in to a big money league when he used his influence at Sky Television (gained from the fact he owned the company that made all of the decoder boxes for them) to convince them to make a huge offer for the rights that blew the ITV bid that all the other clubs had agreed to accept out of the water.Spending incredibly well after the PL was wet up, while our Mr Sugar done feck all.
He did well for Amstrad/Sky he did feck all for us. If he had brains he would have known the money that could be gained from a successful team, instead he nearly got us relegated.It was your own Lord Sugar that turned the Premier League in to a big money league when he used his influence at Sky Television (gained from the fact he owned the company that made all of the decoder boxes for them) to convince them to make a huge offer for the rights that blew the ITV bid that all the other clubs had agreed to accept out of the water.
I'm sure Uniteds wage bill was big relative to most teams but bear in mind. Up until 2001 when Keanes new contract broke the wage structure United had no players on more than 25k per week. Rivals all had star names on more than that even Middlesbrough had Ravanelli on 40k a week.Agreed a good generation of players, probably never gonna be seen again, still I’d say you spent alot on wages. With a sprinkle of signings.
QatariYour about to be bought out by a Saudi ffs, come back to me next year.
I can understand where it’s coming from though. A football fan is far more likely to dislike a team for anything that happens on the pitch than outside of it, and City haven’t really done much on the pitch to be hated. They are not particularly bad at diving and exaggerating, they don’t surround referees to an obscene extent, they don’t play dirty and don’t have any really dislikable players.It was much the same in Trinidad. A couple guys that I worked with were just outright city fans. The Barcelona fans like them because of Pep. Everyone else that were fans of other clubs just admired the football they play without really talking about the origin of their finances or whatever. No one seems to really care.
They could offer higher wages than anyone in England but they didnt, I remember us missing out on the signing Ronaldinho from PSG in 2001 because Sir Alex refused to meet his demands of 100k per week.Between 2001-2003 United could offer higher wages than anyone in England. But then Roman and Abu Dhabi arrived and United were being blown out of the water again on salaries.
I fully agree with you. I’m not at all surprised about the way most people feel about City. At times it feels like the Caf is a bit of an echo chamber with regards to the venom directed at city which isn’t shared a great deal outside of it.I can understand where it’s coming from though. A football fan is far more likely to dislike a team for anything that happens on the pitch than outside of it, and City haven’t really done much on the pitch to be hated. They are not particularly bad at diving and exaggerating, they don’t surround referees to an obscene extent, they don’t play dirty and don’t have any really dislikable players.
Off the pitch people are more likely to hate you for poaching your best players rather than spending a lot and here again City haven’t really bought any players from the top supported teams. All their key players came from smaller clubs where fans would have accepted before that their best talent would leave.
The other reason was that the best players in the world simply did not come to England at the time. Figo, Rivaldo, Ronaldo, Del Piero, Zidane and players of that quality were just never realistically coming to the PL. The league was much more insular with very rare examples of global superstars. It's not until the influx of foreign investment and the best foreign coaches like Mourinho that the league started being seen as a place where the very elite European and South American players can come to at their peak. You can even argue that until today, it's only Haaland really who was bought to this league coming already as a potential player of the year contender.They could offer higher wages than anyone in England but they didnt, I remember us missing out on the signing Ronaldinho from PSG in 2001 because Sir Alex refused to meet his demands of 100k per week.
The fact is in the early 2000's we were one of the biggest clubs in the world and had just won a European Cup so could have attracted some of the best players in the world but didnt because Sir Alex refused to match the wages being offered in Italy and Spain.
Good post, but also to add if your South American, or from a warm European country, would you prefer sunny Spain or wet, cold England? It’s often not mentioned when players want a transfer, but it’s bound to play a part.The other reason was that the best players in the world simply did not come to England at the time. Figo, Rivaldo, Ronaldo, Del Piero, Zidane and players of that quality were just never realistically coming to the PL. The league was much more insular with very rare examples of global superstars. It's not until the influx of foreign investment and the best foreign coaches like Mourinho that the league started being seen as a place where the very elite European and South American players can come to at their peak. You can even argue that until today, it's only Haaland really who was bought to this league coming already as a potential player of the year contender.
Yes, they were all considerations. These players had the better climate and the more prestigious leagues in Spain and Italy at the time. It's why I think it's bonkers when some pundits talk about how United used to get the best players until Chelsea and City started outbidding us. We never competed for the best established European talent. The exception was Veron and that was not just because Fergie had some strong opinions on wages, it was also because the league did not have the global appeal it started to have thanks to Mourinho, Cristiano Ronaldo and later on Klopp and Pep and maybe some other names I am forgetting.Good post, but also to add if your South American, or from a warm European country, would you prefer sunny Spain or wet, cold England? It’s often not mentioned when players want a transfer, but it’s bound to play a part.
I’d classify myself as upper middle class I suppose, and I would dream of a life in southern Spain or Italy. Just a different style of life and I’d happily earn half what I do here in the uk to find it, simply should have done it sooner as I’m in my 40s now with kids and blah, blah, blah.Yes, they were all considerations. These players had the better climate and the more prestigious leagues in Spain and Italy at the time. It's why I think it's bonkers when some pundits talk about how United used to get the best players until Chelsea and City started outbidding us. We never competed for the best established European talent. The exception was Veron and that was not just because Fergie had some strong opinions on wages, it was also because the league did not have the global appeal it started to have thanks to Mourinho, Cristiano Ronaldo and later on Klopp and Pep and maybe some other names I am forgetting.
All look the same, innit..Qatari
Ronaldinho was 2003 he'd only moved to PSG in 2001. We missed out on him because Kenyon fecked about and dithered with making bids.They could offer higher wages than anyone in England but they didnt, I remember us missing out on the signing Ronaldinho from PSG in 2001 because Sir Alex refused to meet his demands of 100k per week.
The fact is in the early 2000's we were one of the biggest clubs in the world and had just won a European Cup so could have attracted some of the best players in the world but didnt because Sir Alex refused to match the wages being offered in Italy and Spain.
Who's your friend in Trini?It was much the same in Trinidad. A couple guys that I worked with were just outright city fans. The Barcelona fans like them because of Pep. Everyone else that were fans of other clubs just admired the football they play without really talking about the origin of their finances or whatever. No one seems to really care.
It's mostly money and prestige, the rest is secondary.Good post, but also to add if your South American, or from a warm European country, would you prefer sunny Spain or wet, cold England? It’s often not mentioned when players want a transfer, but it’s bound to play a part.
Sorry mate I can’t call people’s names on the internet They’re both doctorsWho's your friend in Trini?
My cousin's out there and supports them.
Wouldn't say he's an outright fan though!
Nah you don't have to tell me their names but you told me enoughSorry mate I can’t call people’s names on the internet They’re both doctors
I think you need to do a bit more researchSpending incredibly well after the PL was wet up, while our Mr Sugar done feck all.
Sky, BT, and to an extent the terrestrial broadcast channels too are all invested in the English football 'product', so saying that is in a sorry state because of financial doping and effectively telling the audience they should be enjoying the 'product' less because of it would be self-harmStark lack of coverage of this massive asterisk in the media. Everyone is tugging themselves silly over city without mentioning how they all got there in the first place.
That article actually paints a damning picture upon City and their ownership,Manchester City’s European ascent is a total victory for politics in football
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...t-is-a-total-victory-for-politics-in-football
Wasn't SAF that refused to match the wages it was Edwards and the PLC. They imposed a strict wage cap through the 90s. Cost United the likes of DeSailly, Blanc, Batistuta, Salas, few others. Keane forced the PLC to raise the cap, practically eliminated such around 2000 and many players were rightly rewarded for the 90s success and The Treble. Also meant not losing out on the likes of Veron, Ruud, etc. going forward but did refuse to meet some demands like Ronaldhino in 2003, who was really set on Spain anyhow. They also notoriously lowballed transfer bids at times like Robben at PSV which allowed Chelsea to swoop in.They could offer higher wages than anyone in England but they didnt, I remember us missing out on the signing Ronaldinho from PSG in 2001 because Sir Alex refused to meet his demands of 100k per week.
The fact is in the early 2000's we were one of the biggest clubs in the world and had just won a European Cup so could have attracted some of the best players in the world but didnt because Sir Alex refused to match the wages being offered in Italy and Spain.
For what it's worth Talksport today wasn't exactly glowing gorgeous them. Jordan was going on for ages about their 115, and the presenter in the afternoon was saying there treble was with a big asterisk. I thought it was funny cus I wldve been pissed off if I was on the other side.I strongly agree with those who wrote that sheer anger toward the cheating of City could only be found in United circles, and to a lesser extent Liverpool who were their main rivals for big local trophies the past couple of seasons, and then other PL clubs.
most football fans, not only do they not care much about City a/o admire their football whenever they catch a game of theirs;
but they won't even know that they've been charged with 115 charges.
The only scenario where their cheating matters on a wider scale is if the book is thrown at them and they get Lance Armstronged.
This won't happen, sadly enough. History won't put an asterisk on anything they win.
Should send that to media outlets blowing smoke up City’s proverbial with the 115 elephant in the room.Tweet
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