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On the balance of arguments, I think we’re going to play a different shape, somewhat. 4123. Mount and Bruno in the “2”.
In all seriousness I always liked Mount. He has been dreadful for the past year plus however and probably does need a change.
His biggest problem is finding a position to suit him. At his age he really should have a settled position, similar to Havertz and you then have to accommodate them somewhere. Mount was used wide, cereal and even deeper. He’s probably best ahead of the midfield but no chance he replaces Bruno Fernandes so it’s a strange signing.
If a system can be found where he fits in I’m sure he will be a success but there’s a lot of accommodating required in my opinion.
For those reasons above I’m not overly disappointed they both left although I did rate both but wouldn’t have them as starters.
His biggest problem is finding a position to suit him. At his age he really should have a settled position, similar to Havertz and you then have to accommodate them somewhere. Mount was used wide, cereal and even deeper. He’s probably best ahead of the midfield but no chance he replaces Bruno Fernandes so it’s a strange signing.
If a system can be found where he fits in I’m sure he will be a success but there’s a lot of accommodating required in my opinion.
For those reasons above I’m not overly disappointed they both left although I did rate both but wouldn’t have them as starters.
Him and Bruno have a potential wreak havoc on opposition defensese.
There's always one that play deeper than other, instead of both just hang around as 10.
Mason Mount shall always play.
Too bad we dont have anyone to finish those chances
I think if United lost a player that is still only 24, had won the CL as an important player and was POTY twice, and had been at the club since he was 7, I'd wonder what the hell happened. You'll go out and splash another 90 odd mill on Caicedo or whoever and I'm sure you'll rejoice, but losing an academy player to a rival is a bit of a kick in the nuts. Although maybe people are increasingly less arsed about having academy players in the team.
So they just tacked on the original easy (easier?) add ons to the guarantee so they could have 5k of difficult add ons to allow Chelsea to save face?
Wilkins, Lukaku (well not quite but he was a Chelsea player prior to Everton)
That little turn as the ball is coming in to him with his back to goal looks incredibly effective for taking defenders out of the game yeah, seems to be quite good in a number of things really no wonder he can play all over the pitch pretty much.
it’s like rashford crawling in on his knees to ten hag and begging to go to chelsea.
If this is not BS, this is further the theory that EtH promised him of no. 10 position. Arteta has Odegaard as main one there, and Klopp doesn't play a 10.
Not really. Both Liverpool and Arsenal look to be playing the same shape as us this season, with two #8/#10 hybrids ahead of a #6. In Arsenal's case Havertz & Odegaard, in Liverpool's case Szoboszlai and Mac Allister, in our case Mount & Bruno. If Mount went to either Arsenal or Liverpool it would be in more or less the same role.
He was even used as a breakfast treat
Here is the article from Mitten on Mount (that is being spread over 1000000 tweets).
Mason Mount: How Manchester United persuaded him to move to Old Trafford
Mason Mount: How Manchester United persuaded him to move to Old Trafford
When certain players leave you feel a little cold , a little apprehensive and maybe a little sad.
MM leaving I actually don’t feel any of those things I am just glad we got the wedge that it seems we have.
When Chelsea TV featured the academy games MM was standout his free kicks were sublime this kid had greatness at his feet.
He had an outstanding season on loan at Derby , as did Tomori, and when they returned to the fold the transfer ban meant both were starters and did well.
MM did indeed have two very good seasons but he really was treading water in terms of development. As I said earlier in this thread he may well need a change of environment to kick start his progression.
MM leaving I actually don’t feel any of those things I am just glad we got the wedge that it seems we have.
When Chelsea TV featured the academy games MM was standout his free kicks were sublime this kid had greatness at his feet.
He had an outstanding season on loan at Derby , as did Tomori, and when they returned to the fold the transfer ban meant both were starters and did well.
MM did indeed have two very good seasons but he really was treading water in terms of development. As I said earlier in this thread he may well need a change of environment to kick start his progression.
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This is basically it. I don’t mind losing Mount as a player even though I rate him, but from a sentimental POV the transfer irks me given his connections to the club. We’ll never fully know what’s gone on behind the scenes but I’m sure Matt Law is a ready to go to town later with a 4000-word article.
Shhh, dont tell this to Liverpool fans.
'United also knew that it would be difficult to get Mount out of Stamford Bridge. They had found the same problem when they expressed an interest in Christian Pulisic a year ago. United were keen to sign the USA international, and the player was open to a move to Old Trafford, but Chelsea were reluctant to sell to a direct rival.' wtf?!
I believe Erik signed Mount because he wants more creativity in attack, not to control the game's tempo. Now in order to control the midfield, Shaw/Malacia will tuck-in and perform the controller role. It's not ideal but I guess it will be our game plan.
Why Mount is better than Caicedo :
Mount provides the defensive terrorism of Caceido, being everywhere around the pitch and chasing after the ball or opposition and being in the top 87% to tackle.
Well what does Mount have that Caceido doesn’t have?
Everyone has talked about his versatility, but why is this important if all this does is make him play in a position he doesn’t himself conquer?
Well that’s what Ten Hag wants Mount for - he wants Mount to be everywhere off the ball but be everywhere whilst on the ball too.
He is the everywhere player, the transition player both defensively and attacking.
As Rashford cuts in on the left - where will you see Mount? Make the run to the left. Will Mount have the ability to make runs to overlap or under lap Antony on the right? Sure. What about make DVB type runs centrally to finish a chance? Sure. Can he start a little deeper and help progress the ball from dangerously deep areas? Yes.
Because ultimately that is what Mount is - 7/10 in every position player,doesn’t sound great, but what this allows us to do is play more fluid by having almost an extra player at CM,CAM,LM,RM,LW,RW,LAM,RAM,SS,CF - depending on where Mount is needed defensively or attacking - moving to those positions to either progress the ball, make the creative pass, cross or for himself to finish the chance.
He is the ultimate transition player and Ten Hag wants him to add fluidity to our creative play whilst maintaining a good level of defensive stability.
This is why Ten Hag didn’t want a deep lying playmaker or another CDM - they might add some important passes to deep or instead add some defensive solidity - but no one adds creative fluidity all over the opposition half whilst also providing the defensive stability too.
Never saw it with him, but if this works then this is going to be a beautiful aspect of our football we saw build up last season.
Mount provides the defensive terrorism of Caceido, being everywhere around the pitch and chasing after the ball or opposition and being in the top 87% to tackle.
Well what does Mount have that Caceido doesn’t have?
Everyone has talked about his versatility, but why is this important if all this does is make him play in a position he doesn’t himself conquer?
Well that’s what Ten Hag wants Mount for - he wants Mount to be everywhere off the ball but be everywhere whilst on the ball too.
He is the everywhere player, the transition player both defensively and attacking.
As Rashford cuts in on the left - where will you see Mount? Make the run to the left. Will Mount have the ability to make runs to overlap or under lap Antony on the right? Sure. What about make DVB type runs centrally to finish a chance? Sure. Can he start a little deeper and help progress the ball from dangerously deep areas? Yes.
Because ultimately that is what Mount is - 7/10 in every position player,doesn’t sound great, but what this allows us to do is play more fluid by having almost an extra player at CM,CAM,LM,RM,LW,RW,LAM,RAM,SS,CF - depending on where Mount is needed defensively or attacking - moving to those positions to either progress the ball, make the creative pass, cross or for himself to finish the chance.
He is the ultimate transition player and Ten Hag wants him to add fluidity to our creative play whilst maintaining a good level of defensive stability.
This is why Ten Hag didn’t want a deep lying playmaker or another CDM - they might add some important passes to deep or instead add some defensive solidity - but no one adds creative fluidity all over the opposition half whilst also providing the defensive stability too.
Never saw it with him, but if this works then this is going to be a beautiful aspect of our football we saw build up last season.
It's a tad weird that how Academy kids are treated by their own fans outside the stadium. Like for eg I'm sure Stamford Bridge regulars love Mason Mount as a player and hence the banner but from what I can see on the internet, chelsea fans are almost happy to see him leave just because he had one bad season, forgetting the fact that he was their player of the season twice before that. We saw that with Rashford here too, when 80-85% percent voted to sell Rashford last season.
Hopefully Ten Hag does the same thing with Mount as he did with Rashford.
Hopefully Ten Hag does the same thing with Mount as he did with Rashford.
What theory and who is propagating that?
Not only as ball carrier but also when pressed Mount doesn't fall over or get dispossessed.
Only Mount out of Bruno, Eriksen can receive the ball at half turn.
Only Mount out of Bruno Eriksen can act as an outlet in midfield. Bruno Eriksen when they receive the ball 99% they usually pass it back or to someone else they can't stay with the ball for more than 5 seconds at feet.
I've always been vocal about needing players from GK to Strikers who can stay with the ball for 5-10 seconds under immense pressure.
Mount will solve some problems which have plaqued our midfield for sometime. But he doesn't solve the football recycler part for sure.
That's not true,
Not really... there is an interview with Mount saying he wants to play 8, being involved in the build up and then get forward..
Its exactly the position that is open at Manutd, the Eriksen role. This also helps us, as Mount can also push into 10 whilst Bruno drops as he has the quality to take a first touch in the half spaces.
Yeah, 6/10 celebration
Looks like he recorded the goodbye video last week, his blonde had been shaved out in the pictures of him in Carrington. Man wanted out bad.
If you go back to the first page there were only three people being positive about this link and one of them was me so you can stick that in your hooter and blow on it. Now is the age of Mount
Kinda is.
Tuchel used to have him patrol the pockets and he was honestly devastating in there. Jorginho was always great at finding him. When we played Atleti in the CL, their fans were like ‘someone kick him before he gets the ball please, he’s killing us’. Unfortunately it’s something I’ve seen less of in the last 12 months.
Not even close. Bruno receives passes on the half turn and both Bruno and Eriksen are good midfield outlets, they also see pass quicker than most players.
What time you reckon announcement will be? I reckon 10am..
What is not true? I've said severally midfield area is where our main problem is. ETH has vindicate that by all his signings. He has signed more midfielders than any other positions. Even now, before a striker a midfielder has already been signed.
If you think ETH is drunk then okay but I will stand by my position 2 midfielders + a striker will elevate this team immensely. Add Onana it becomes an all round elevation of the team.
We have very poor footballers in midfield and goalkeeping to achieve any meaningful success.
We average 53.4% possession closer to Newacastle 52%, Spurs 50% & far away from Brighton 60%, City 64%, Arsenal % Pool 60%. We are 6th in the metric.
We average 14k carries, closer to Spurs 13k, 12k (Newcastle, Fulham, Wolves, Villa) far away from 19k City, 17k Liverpool, 16k Arsenal & Chelsea. We are 7th in the metric.
In total distribution we are 7th on the metric.
Look at the stats here
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/possession/Premier-League-Stats
All this point to a need in change for structure of the team, we can't be a ball over the top team, transition team forever. It has achieved nothing for us while other teams who don't play like us achieve greater success.
Lukaku, Mourinho.
Bernard.
Are Bruno, Eriksen the only players to play in the team? You are using team stats to make some conclusion on 2 individuals.
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