Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

[Amadaeus]

Spurs wasn't a circus yet he still won feck all. Although it is Spurs to be fair.

I like Poch and think he will do well. But he's not an elite manager.

Spurs wasn't a top club, yet he made them one. Spurs was more of a small mentality club before poch as even Fergie had a few jokes about coming up against them. The transformation he made to Spurs is unquestionable. You say he is not an elite manager but all the elite clubs are after him. If chelsea didn't grab him, I m sure he would have been at real Madrid. Regardless, his work will speak for itself and so far chelsea is giving him the right platform.

They need to provide him Caicedo, a goalkeeper like Costa or onana, and a right attacking midfielder in either cherki, witz or veiga. That will give Pochettino the right platform to do well in. Of course they needed an elite striker, but jackson may be sufficient for top four. We will have to see.

 

[stefan92]

Spurs wasn't a top club, yet he made them one. Spurs was more of a small mentality club before poch as even Fergie had a few jokes about coming up against them.

Last time I checked they still were a small mentality club

 

[Champ]

Spurs wasn't a top club, yet he made them one. Spurs was more of a small mentality club before poch as even Fergie had a few jokes about coming up against them. The transformation he made to Spurs is unquestionable. You say he is not an elite manager but all the elite clubs are after him. If chelsea didn't grab him, I m sure he would have been at real Madrid. Regardless, his work will speak for itself and so far chelsea is giving him the right platform.

They need to provide him Caicedo, a goalkeeper like Costa or onana, and a right attacking midfielder in either cherki, witz or veiga. That will give Pochettino the right platform to do well in. Of course they needed an elite striker, but jackson may be sufficient for top four. We will have to see.

The bolded part is peak comedy gold.

Please don't ever stop!

 

[Lay]

Christ. How on earth are Spurs a top club

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Spurs wasn't a top club, yet he made them one.

They won nothing. He didn’t make them a top club at all. They’ve as many Top 2 Premier League finishes as Aston Villa and have won 1 trophy in 15 years and 2 in 32 years.

He didn’t increase their standing in English football above where it was before he joined. They were an historic Top Club and he saw them perform well in the PL and CL until he got fired.

I think he’s a brilliant coach that’s yet to prove he’s a top coach. That proof only comes through silverware.

 

[Abraxas]

Top coach or not it shouldn't be hard to do a job at Chelsea. They've spent stacks of money and Potter and Lampard combined to set the bar incredibly low. Boehly wasn't even very impatient with the managers.

It's just getting a spirit together and a structure that works for the personnel. Nobody is expecting league titles. Great job for Poch to walk into.

 

[Amadaeus]

They won nothing. He didn’t make them a top club at all. They’ve as many Top 2 Premier League finishes as Aston Villa and have won 1 trophy in 15 years and 2 in 32 years.

He didn’t increase their standing in English football above where it was before he joined. They were an historic Top Club and he saw them perform well in the PL and CL until he got fired.

I think he’s a brilliant coach that’s yet to prove he’s a top coach. That proof only comes through silverware.

Christ. How on earth are Spurs a top club

Since Poch took over Spurs, spurs has made top 6 in the league more consistently than what they had before he was in charge. In addition, they have attracted big name coach like Conte and Mourinho who wouldn’t have considered them pre poch, big name players and they were named as one of the clubs for European super league. All of this was down to the pochettino era. Let me start a history lesson

the first few decade of the PL era that wasn't a thing As a big 4 or big 6. You had Man United, and then you had everyone else. There were a group of teams who were in that second group - Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal. Nobody could find the consistency to convincingly separate themselves from the rest.

Around 01/02 was when things started to change. In European competition, the PL had finally built the coefficient back up high enough again to be considered top league. Thanks largely to Liverpool and United. And with that the league grew closer to the 4 CL spots it now has. Now teams didn't necessarily have to win the league to gain the same huge economic benefits And be regarded as a top club. The metric was Consistent CL qualification and that would be the catalyst for forming the Big 4.

Now enter the Poch era. 2 title races and over 3 consecutive seasons of CL football later, and the Big 6 has been accepted by the masses. The poch era helped spurs break the glass ceiling, have at least one already established "Big" or top team finishing behind us every season since that ceiling was shattered, which, become a catalyst to how poch transformed spurs to a top club. It isn’t all about trophies especially at a club at like spurs who wasnt Expected to win anything at the time.

The bolded part is peak comedy gold.

Please don't ever stop!

jesus my stalker is back again, aren’t you tired of me proving you wrong?

 

[Champ]

Since Poch took over Spurs, spurs has made top 6 in the league more consistently than what they had before he was in charge. In addition, they have attracted big name coach like Conte and Mourinho who wouldn’t have considered them pre poch, big name players and they were named as one of the clubs for European super league. All of this was down to the pochettino era. Let me start a history lesson

the first few decade of the PL era that wasn't a thing As a big 4 or big 6. You had Man United, and then you had everyone else. There were a group of teams who were in that second group - Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal. Nobody could find the consistency to convincingly separate themselves from the rest.

Around 01/02 was when things started to change. In European competition, the PL had finally built the coefficient back up high enough again to be considered top league. Thanks largely to Liverpool and United. And with that the league grew closer to the 4 CL spots it now has. Now teams didn't necessarily have to win the league to gain the same huge economic benefits And be regarded as a top club. The metric was Consistent CL qualification and that would be the catalyst for forming the Big 4.

Now enter the Poch era. 2 title races and over 3 consecutive seasons of CL football later, and the Big 6 has been accepted by the masses. The poch era helped spurs break the glass ceiling, have at least one already established "Big" or top team finishing behind us every season since that ceiling was shattered, which, become a catalyst to how poch transformed spurs to a top club. It isn’t all about trophies especially at a club at like spurs who wasnt Expected to win anything at the time.



jesus my stalker is back again, aren’t you tired of me proving you wrong?

I'll let you know when it actually happens

 

[Amadaeus]

I'll let you know when it actually happens

Just have to check your post history. Not good to have a mental block of what happened in the past.

 

[Champ]

Just have to check your post history. Not good to have a mental block of what happened in the past.

keep trying!

Spurs have never been a top club. For a team to be a top club they actually have to challenge for things, oh and actually win things.
Remind me how many trophies Poch won at Spurs?
But it's fine, I know it's hard to admit your wrong, so I'll let it slide.

 

[P-Ro]

Let the Battle of Cringe commence.

 

[Dancfc]

keep trying!

Spurs have never been a top club. For a team to be a top club they actually have to challenge for things, oh and actually win things.
Remind me how many trophies Poch won at Spurs?
But it's fine, I know it's hard to admit your wrong, so I'll let it slide.

No doubt he should have got over the line in a tournament or two but the way he had Spurs competing against (and in some cases beating) significantly better resourced clubs is similar to one of the "proper challenges" Pep apparently has to take to prove himself.

Managers can't seem to win these days.

 

[stefan92]

No doubt he should have got over the line in a tournament or two but the way he had Spurs competing against (and in some cases beating) significantly better resourced clubs is similar to one of the "proper challenges" Pep apparently has to take to prove himself.

Managers can't seem to win these days.

Well they can. They literally just need to win something which Poch didn't.

 

[Amadaeus]

keep trying!

Spurs have never been a top club. For a team to be a top club they actually have to challenge for things, oh and actually win things.
Remind me how many trophies Poch won at Spurs?
But it's fine, I know it's hard to admit your wrong, so I'll let it slide.

They have challenged for the title and went farther than any Arsenal post poch era and United manager post sir Alex in the champion league. Spurs were competitive and challenged for some of the highest honors in the poch era. Remind me, how many trophies did any manager won at Spurs? What Poch accomplished was much more important than winning some Mickey mouse competition.

 

[edcunited1878]

They have challenged for the title and went farther than any Arsenal post poch era and United manager post sir Alex in the champion league. Spurs were competitive and challenged for some of the highest honors in the poch era. Remind me, how many trophies did any manager won at Spurs? What Poch accomplished was much more important than winning some Mickey mouse competition.

But as it relates to Spurs being a top club, which constitutes to winning trophies and sustaining those qualities of a top club, i.e., winning, supporters at a large scale, top of the table, long cup runs....Spurs aren't a top club. They had a run of a top club, but unable to sustain it and only consistently found an empty trophy cabinet.

Massive stadium, fantastic. Year-round programming for NFL, shows/concerts, etc...grand. But as a bona-fide top football club in England or Europe, they are not. They are a nice club and have had their moments, but it's nothing like a true top club.

And for England, a top club still is a Big 5 without Spurs - United, Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal.

A big club, while not a top club, can be defined as Spurs, Newcastle, maybe Villa, West Ham...those are big clubs, but top clubs they are not or remain to be seen at minimum.

 

[Isotope]

This thread title is more creative than our Club transfer targets

 

[Amadaeus]

But as it relates to Spurs being a top club, which constitutes to winning trophies and sustaining those qualities of a top club, i.e., winning, supporters at a large scale, top of the table, long cup runs....Spurs aren't a top club. They had a run of a top club, but unable to sustain it and only consistently found an empty trophy cabinet.

Massive stadium, fantastic. Year-round programming for NFL, shows/concerts, etc...grand. But as a bona-fide top football club in England or Europe, they are not. They are a nice club and have had their moments, but it's nothing like a true top club.

And for England, a top club still is a Big 5 without Spurs - United, Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal.

A big club, while not a top club, can be defined as Spurs, Newcastle, maybe Villa, West Ham...those are big clubs, but top clubs they are not or remain to be seen at minimum.

Spurs will no longer be a top club anymore if they don't get back that identity they had under Pochettino. Top club status doesn't remain if you are not consistently challenging for top honors. You can't say Arsenal during poch era was a top club, while spurs wasn't. At the moment that status of spurs being a top club is deteriorating and I doubt they would even be considered for an European super league like they were before because of the poch era.

 

[Champ]

They have challenged for the title and went farther than any Arsenal post poch era and United manager post sir Alex in the champion league. Spurs were competitive and challenged for some of the highest honors in the poch era. Remind me, how many trophies did any manager won at Spurs? What Poch accomplished was much more important than winning some Mickey mouse competition.

The straws you clutch must be worn out by now surely !
Poch came third when he challenged for the title.
He made a champions league final, which was a great achievement, but didn't win it.
That's not tantamount to a top side,

Juande Ramos won more than Poch did at Spurs.
Prove me wrong

 

[Scandi Red]

What's going on here?

 

[Amadaeus]

The straws you clutch must be worn out by now surely !
Poch came third when he challenged for the title.
He made a champions league final, which was a great achievement, but didn't win it.
That's not tantamount to a top side,

Juande Ramos won more than Poch did at Spurs.
Prove me wrong

Man how you got promoted from the noobs section is beyond me. Poch in 16/17 season finished with 86 points. That amount of point is not only able to challenge for the title, but also win the title. In the 15/16 premier league they were only 1 point behind 2nd and were challenging for the title throughout the season until a fall in form made chelsea run away with it. Moreover, as I stated he made the champion league final and challenged for the highest glory. Once again, how does any of this show that Spurs wasn't challenging for the top honors?

 

[stefan92]

Man how you got promoted from the noobs section is beyond me. Poch in 16/17 season finished with 86 points. That amount of point is not only able to challenge for the title, but also win the title. In the 15/16 premier league they were only 1 point behind 2nd and were challenging for the title throughout the season until a fall in form made chelsea run away with it. Moreover, as I stated he made the champion league final and challenged for the highest glory. Once again, how does any of this show that Spurs wasn't challenging for the top honors?

No one denies that they were challenging the actual top clubs.

The point is, that this is all. They didn't actually join the true top clubs.

 

[Amadaeus]

No one denies that they were challenging the actual top clubs.

The point is, that this is all. They didn't actually join the true top clubs.

Champ denied
The guy just keep quoting my post and I don't even understand why I can entertaining it.

Regardless I disagree With that sentiment because if they didn't join that list then they wouldn't even be considered for the European super league or have top managers want to join them.

keep trying!

Spurs have never been a top club. For a team to be a top club they actually have to challenge for things, oh and actually win things.
Remind me how many trophies Poch won at Spurs?
But it's fine, I know it's hard to admit your wrong, so I'll let it slide.

 

[Tarrou]

I've said this before but I think Poch is a good manager and not a great one, his period at Spurs was really good but he had two attacking players in world class form which has skewed people's opinions on him somewhat. Sure, I know he is responsible for getting those players to the level they reached, and he gets credit for that.

But I think he'll fail at Chelsea as he just doesn't have the personality to manage a club like that. I think he'll melt under the pressure. Spurs was his level.

I think it's 50/50 he'll survive the season.

 

[Champ]

Champ denied
The guy just keep quoting my post and I don't even understand why I can entertaining it.

Regardless I disagree With that sentiment because if they didn't join that list then they wouldn't even be considered for the European super league or have top managers want to join them.

Oh wow.

They were ridiculed for being amongst the super League teams, even Sky Sports had a good laugh about it!!

Those straws you're clutching are almost at breaking point.

But it's fine, as this facade is pure comedy gold.

I'm intrigued to see how quickly Poch turns things around at Chelsea, with the team he has and no European football he really should be getting top three/four comfortably along with food cup runs.

Anything less than that and he will have failed like he did at PSG (Pochs own admission).

 

[Oranges038]

Since Poch took over Spurs, spurs has made top 6 in the league more consistently than what they had before he was in charge. In addition, they have attracted big name coach like Conte and Mourinho who wouldn’t have considered them pre poch, big name players and they were named as one of the clubs for European super league. All of this was down to the pochettino era. Let me start a history lesson

the first few decade of the PL era that wasn't a thing As a big 4 or big 6. You had Man United, and then you had everyone else. There were a group of teams who were in that second group - Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal. Nobody could find the consistency to convincingly separate themselves from the rest.

Around 01/02 was when things started to change. In European competition, the PL had finally built the coefficient back up high enough again to be considered top league. Thanks largely to Liverpool and United. And with that the league grew closer to the 4 CL spots it now has. Now teams didn't necessarily have to win the league to gain the same huge economic benefits And be regarded as a top club. The metric was Consistent CL qualification and that would be the catalyst for forming the Big 4.

Now enter the Poch era. 2 title races and over 3 consecutive seasons of CL football later, and the Big 6 has been accepted by the masses. The poch era helped spurs break the glass ceiling, have at least one already established "Big" or top team finishing behind us every season since that ceiling was shattered, which, become a catalyst to how poch transformed spurs to a top club. It isn’t all about trophies especially at a club at like spurs who wasnt Expected to win anything at the time.



jesus my stalker is back again, aren’t you tired of me proving you wrong?

In the 10 years before he joined they only finished below 6th about 3 times?

 

[Tarrou]

In the 10 years before he joined they only finished below 6th about 3 times?

personally, I think most of Spurs uptick in recent times can be explained by having a consistent 30-goal striker

they went from being perennial top-4 challengers to challenging for the league once or twice, and then back to just top 4 challengers again

 

[Oranges038]

personally, I think most of Spurs uptick in recent times can be explained by having a consistent 30-goal striker

they went from being perennial top-4 challengers to challenging for the league once or twice, and then back to just top 4 challengers again

Maybe Kane is a considerable factor, but to say they made top 6 more after he took than before over is nonsense. They were pretty much hanging round top four for years, hovering between 60-70 points. He took them from 4th/5th/6th to 2nd/3rd, only in 1 of those seasons did they actually get significantly more points than previous years.

 

[Amadaeus]

Oh wow.

They were ridiculed for being amongst the super League teams, even Sky Sports had a good laugh about it!!

Those straws you're clutching are almost at breaking point.

But it's fine, as this facade is pure comedy gold.

I'm intrigued to see how quickly Poch turns things around at Chelsea, with the team he has and no European football he really should be getting top three/four comfortably along with food cup runs.

Anything less than that and he will have failed like he did at PSG (Pochs own admission).

I enjoyed how you overlooked the other guy comments that said no one denied it, which completely contradicts your entire argument.

The team he has is a completely new team with few unproven young players. No logically person will think that his squad is better than the squad Arsenal, United, Manchester city and Liverpool has. Plus, all manager fail at psg. Pochettino did better than a lot of managers there especially pertaining champion league competition.

In the 10 years before he joined they only finished below 6th about 3 times?

Meant the average was much higher. They were genuine contender for top four and title push while before they barely break the top four barrier. Night and day difference.

 

[Real Name]

Only manager to finish 3rd in a 2 horse race.

 

[Oranges038]

I enjoyed how you overlooked the other guy comments that said no one denied it, which completely contradicts your entire argument.

The team he has is a completely new team with few unproven young players. No logically person will think that his squad is better than the squad Arsenal, United, Manchester city and Liverpool has. Plus, all manager fail at psg. Pochettino did better than a lot of managers there especially pertaining champion league competition.


Meant the average was much higher. They were genuine contender for top four and title push while before they barely break the top four barrier. Night and day difference.

The average for what was much higher?
They were literally there or thereabouts for top 4 every year for about 10 years before he took over, only once did they actully amass a points total that seriously made them title challengers under him.

Only manager to finish 3rd in a 2 horse race.

And second in a one horse race.

 

[alexthelion]

Spurs wasn't a top club, yet he made them one. Spurs was more of a small mentality club before poch as even Fergie had a few jokes about coming up against them. The transformation he made to Spurs is unquestionable. You say he is not an elite manager but all the elite clubs are after him. If chelsea didn't grab him, I m sure he would have been at real Madrid. Regardless, his work will speak for itself and so far chelsea is giving him the right platform.

They need to provide him Caicedo, a goalkeeper like Costa or onana, and a right attacking midfielder in either cherki, witz or veiga. That will give Pochettino the right platform to do well in. Of course they needed an elite striker, but jackson may be sufficient for top four. We will have to see.

 

[alexthelion]

Spurs will no longer be a top club anymore if they don't get back that identity they had under Pochettino. Top club status doesn't remain if you are not consistently challenging for top honors. You can't say Arsenal during poch era was a top club, while spurs wasn't. At the moment that status of spurs being a top club is deteriorating and I doubt they would even be considered for an European super league like they were before because of the poch era.

It's alright to challenge for trophies, but to become a top club you have to win something. Poch and Spurs didn't.

 

[Real Name]

Spurs a top club.

Now I've seen it all.

 

[cafecillos]

Surely @Amadaeus can't love Poch this much, nobody can love a football manager they've never met that much. I'd think he just knows he's pigeonholed himself as a Poch fanboi very badly and it's too late now to be anything else on here, and so keeps doubling down and endlessly simping for him to a level that's painfully embarrassing. The other option is that he really, genuinely wants to indefatigably defend a multimillionaire football personality he's never met, and that's just too pathetic, so I'll go with my first theory.

 

[André Dominguez]

Spurs a top club.

Now I've seen it all.

Well.. they got more european trophies than City and many people consider City a top club

 

[Scandi Red]

It's alright to challenge for trophies, but to become a top club you have to win something. Poch and Spurs didn't.

And even that is not always enough. Leicester didn't become a top club by winning the league.

Poch did well with Spurs, but he didn't make them a top team He gave them consistent CL football and had one title challenge (ish). Good for a club of Spurs' status, poor for a top club. He was also fortunate to manage Spurs during a very weak period for English football, after Fergie retired but before Pep and Klopp had built their teams. He could not have asked for a better timing if we're being honest. Yes he reached a CL final, but plenty of mediocre teams have done that over the years.

 

[BerryBerryShrew]

@Champ Just a reminder that when Claudio Ranieri was almost certain to be voted manager of the year for the 15/16 season, the almost unanimous reaction was that it would be the most justified MOTY in history. You know, the same Ranieri who led relegation favourites Leicester to the Premiership title.

I say almost unanimous because there was one dissenter to this pernicious narrative who was brave enough to point out that the manager of another team was more deserving due to his team having more favourable possession stats than Leicester.....or something.

Post 123 right to the very end of the thread is a remarkable insight into a guy who just sees the game differently to us mere mortals.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/claudio-ranieri-wins-pl-title-with-leicester.410839/page-4

 

[Champ]

I enjoyed how you overlooked the other guy comments that said no one denied it, which completely contradicts your entire argument.

The team he has is a completely new team with few unproven young players. No logically person will think that his squad is better than the squad Arsenal, United, Manchester city and Liverpool has. Plus, all manager fail at psg. Pochettino did better than a lot of managers there especially pertaining champion league competition.


Meant the average was much higher. They were genuine contender for top four and title push while before they barely break the top four barrier. Night and day difference.

Interesting to read the other responses you've been getting regarding your outlandish and frankly hilarious claims.

I'd say Chelsea's squad is better than Liverpool's, and is better than Arsenal's, first 11 maybe not, but squad as a whole is better for me.
Will be a big ask for him to get them playing straight away given the season they've just had, but he really should be top four at least given the extra time he'll have to work with them on the training ground.

 

[Real Name]

@Champ Just a reminder that when Claudio Ranieri was almost certain to be voted manager of the year for the 15/16 season, the almost unanimous reaction was that it would be the most justified MOTY in history. You know, the same Ranieri who led relegation favourites Leicester to the Premiership title.

I say almost unanimous because there was one dissenter to this pernicious narrative who was brave enough to point out that the manager of another team was more deserving due to his team having more favourable possession stats than Leicester.....or something.

Post 123 right to the very end of the thread is a remarkable insight into a guy who just sees the game differently to us mere mortals.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/claudio-ranieri-wins-pl-title-with-leicester.410839/page-4

Tbh Spurs had better key passes stats in that season.
His responses are exactly the same now as they were seven years ago...

 

[Champ]

@Champ Just a reminder that when Claudio Ranieri was almost certain to be voted manager of the year for the 15/16 season, the almost unanimous reaction was that it would be the most justified MOTY in history. You know, the same Ranieri who led relegation favourites Leicester to the Premiership title.

I say almost unanimous because there was one dissenter to this pernicious narrative who was brave enough to point out that the manager of another team was more deserving due to his team having more favourable possession stats than Leicester.....or something.

Post 123 right to the very end of the thread is a remarkable insight into a guy who just sees the game differently to us mere mortals.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/claudio-ranieri-wins-pl-title-with-leicester.410839/page-4

Wow,

That's an incredible outlook

Thanks for that link, has definitely given me a chuckle.