Cristiano Ronaldo - Much Ado About Al Nassr

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CR7 becomes the first person ever to reach 600 MILLION followers on Instagram

Cristiano Ronaldo has broken yet another record, as he has become the first person ever to reach 600 million followers on Instagram.

Among the football players on this social media, Messi ranks No.2 with 482 million followers as Neymar ranking third with 211m & Mbappe ranking fourth with 107m.

 

[RedRonaldo]

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CR7 becomes the first person ever to reach 600 MILLION followers on Instagram

Cristiano Ronaldo has broken yet another record, as he has become the first person ever to reach 600 million followers on Instagram.

Among the football players on this social media, Messi ranks No.2 with 482 million followers as Neymar ranking third with 211m & Mbappe ranking fourth with 107m.

I’ve always wonder would Ronaldo army of followers exceed population of entire Europe one day.

Population of Europe: 746m
Ronaldo’s followers: 600m

 

[ArbeitervonWien]

I’ve always wonder would Ronaldo army of followers exceed population of entire Europe one day.

Population of Europe: 746m
Ronaldo’s followers: 600m

Well, the difference is the European population does not include fake accounts.

 

[Plastic Evra]

Well, the difference is the European population does not include fake accounts.

This is getting close to some awkward political discussion.

 

[MiceOnMeth]

I don't get why he's so popular. He's not a very likable person and a huge cry baby on the pitch during his peak.

 

[Andrade]

Yeah my mistake. What a strange criteria, given Messi hadn't until this year either. And if France had won WC, or Argentina went out in the groups, Messi would still be a GOAT.

Performing brilliantly at the World Cup is a prerequisite for being THE greatest player of all time (not ONE OF the greatest players of all time). Those are the rules, I didn't make them.

 

[Andrade]

The reason it makes no sense is it’s funny how a guy who won 5 Balon D Or (at one point tied with Messi) in what in your opinion is “Messi’s Era and who out performed Messi in multiple season and in multiple records is left being comparter
To guys ranked 5-10 (with all due respect to those guys) while Messi is top 3. The math in that logic is not mathing.

In fact a overwhelming majority would call the last 20 years of football the Messi/Ronaldo era. Similarly in 50 years or even now it is impossible to talk about Messi or Ronaldo’: career without mentioning the other on the same sentence. Something even Messi himself has said.

So the mental gymnastics done to try to make sense of how Two guys who were neck and neck a majority of their careers are now seamlessly so far apart in ranking according to messi fans.

In fact the answer is easy, they hate the fact that people consider Ronaldo to be better OR mention him in the same breath.

Yet it’s funny that it you use a beautiful little search engine named google or watch any video on YouTube a OVERWHELMING majority have Ronaldo Top4 all time (various videos and articles have him anywhere from 1-4 many have Messi #1 as well)

Go figure.

Like I said the math is not mathing with the logic

It’s like comparing two racers in F1 being side by side all 8 laps and then at the end comparing the second places racer to the guys who finished 5-10.

The logic makes no sense.

This post makes no sense. I don't think you know what the word 'logic' means.

Explain for example why CR should definitely be ahead of Alfredo Di Stefano? The Ballon D'Or nonsense has already been debunked.

 

[Swoobs]

This post makes no sense. I don't think you know what the word 'logic' means.

Explain for example why CR should definitely be ahead of Alfredo Di Stefano? The Ballon D'Or nonsense has already been debunked.

The funny thing is, by following this Ballon Dor logic, there is no way CR7 is the GOAT because there is one other person with more Ballon Dors.

Didn’t stop the person using that logic proclaiming CR7 THE GOAT though Like he said, math is not mathing with logic

For what its worth, Pele have 7of those too based on re-evaluation, and Di Stefano has the one and only super ballon dor.

 

[Andrade]

The funny thing is, by following this Ballon Dor logic, there is no way CR7 is the GOAT because there is one other person with more Ballon Dors.

Didn’t stop the person using that logic proclaiming CR7 THE GOAT though Like he said, math is not mathing with logic

For what its worth, Pele have 7of those too based on re-evaluation, and Di Stefano has the one and only super ballon dor.

Yes good point. Perhaps why he shouldn't be clinging to Ballon D'Or arguments in trying to support CR. Here is the voting list for the Ballon D'Or in 1958. DiStefano did not receive a single vote despite helping Real Madrid to win La Liga and the European Cup. He was also top scorer in both competitions. When you understand how the Ballon D'Or has changed, you stop trying to make poor arguments comparing people's wins/nominations across 60-70 year periods.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Ballon_d'Or

 

[VivaObertan]

Performing brilliantly at the World Cup is a prerequisite for being THE greatest player of all time (not ONE OF the greatest players of all time). Those are the rules, I didn't make them.

No they're not, so you probably did

 

[Red Shorts]

That equates to around 1 in 13 people in the world following him. That is absolutely bonkers.

I remember reading a while ago the amount he makes per post which is a sickening amount

 

[RedRonaldo]

The funny thing is, by following this Ballon Dor logic, there is no way CR7 is the GOAT because there is one other person with more Ballon Dors.

Didn’t stop the person using that logic proclaiming CR7 THE GOAT though Like he said, math is not mathing with logic

For what its worth, Pele have 7of those too based on re-evaluation, and Di Stefano has the one and only super ballon dor.

Speaking of re-evaluation, Maradona only has 2. Maybe that’s it’s all good if Ronaldo moves one place higher to top 3 instead? If my maths is correct, he has 5, only behind Messi and Pele.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

Speaking of re-evaluation, Maradona only has 2. Maybe that’s it’s all good if Ronaldo moves one place higher to top 3 instead? If my maths is correct, he has 5, only behind Messi and Pele.

If we could all come to some sort of happy compromise and agree Ronaldo was the third best player of all-time, that would save a lot of problems in this thread. Sporting would be free to say: "The 3rd GOAT scored against *insert random Asian no-name here* to highlight why he is the 3rd GOAT!" and we'd all be happy to humour him.

 

[Gehrman]

If we could all come to some sort of happy compromise and agree Ronaldo was the third best player of all-time, that would save a lot of problems in this thread. Sporting would be free to say: "The 3rd GOAT scored against *insert random Asian no-name here* to highlight why he is the 3rd GOAT!" and we'd all be happy to humour him.

He´s entitled to his opinon isnt he? Whilst I dont personally agree with it, it isnt all that far fetched. The whole debate thing has been done to death, but since the "debate thread was closed" it just spills over into other threads like these.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

This silly debate will still be ongoing when both players are long dead

nah, it's gonna die a death when the CR fanboys grow out of puberty.

RvN and Henry debate used to rage on this forum due to Utd loyalty, now its pretty much a consensus here that Henry was the better player.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

He´s entitled to his opinon isnt he? Whilst I dont personally agree with it, it isnt all that far fetched. The whole debate thing has been done to death, but since the "debate thread was closed" it just spills over into other threads like these.

But then that opinion is entitled to be criticised, especially when he does it in such a glaring way all the time. Personally I feel any serious debate more or less ended at the 2022 World Cup and from most people I know that's the general consensus, so to keep shouting 'GOAT' in every post is obviously going to provoke people. That's why there was 4 pages of crap after Ronaldo scored a penalty against an Iraqi team. He knows what he's doing.

 

[Andrade]

No they're not, so you probably did

Yeah they are.

 

[Andrade]

nah, it's gonna die a death when the CR fanboys grow out of puberty.

RvN and Henry debate used to rage on this forum due to Utd loyalty, now its pretty much a consensus here that Henry was the better player.

A good point, people dont realise how assessments change after people retire and their careers retreat into the distance. It is different when they are playing. It seems dumb now to claim that RVN was a better player than Henry.

 

[Gehrman]

But then that opinion is entitled to be criticised, especially when he does it in such a glaring way all the time. Personally I feel any serious debate more or less ended at the 2022 World Cup and from most people I know that's the general consensus, so to keep shouting 'GOAT' in every post is obviously going to provoke people. That's why there was 4 pages of crap after Ronaldo scored a penalty against an Iraqi team. He knows what he's doing.

Yeah but we did this forever in the Messi vs Ronaldo thread. Can´t all we fanboys just let Messi fans call Messi the goat in his own thread and likewise with Ronnie in his thread?

 

[Andrade]

If we could all come to some sort of happy compromise and agree Ronaldo was the third best player of all-time, that would save a lot of problems in this thread. Sporting would be free to say: "The 3rd GOAT scored against *insert random Asian no-name here* to highlight why he is the 3rd GOAT!" and we'd all be happy to humour him.

While I like your satire, why should we agree to a lie? He's not better than Pele, he's not better than Messi and he's not better than Maradona. Everyone else is debatable, but not those three IMO.

 

[Swoobs]

Speaking of re-evaluation, Maradona only has 2. Maybe that’s it’s all good if Ronaldo moves one place higher to top 3 instead? If my maths is correct, he has 5, only behind Messi and Pele.

That is not my logic, I am just pointing out how incoherent the application of his logic is when he apply it to different players. But just replace maradona with CR7 if you so please at the 3rd spot, so still not THE GOAT

 

[VivaObertan]

Yeah they are.

OK cool. Let's keep the thread to Ronaldo, the greatest player to have never won the World Cup.

 

[simonhch]

Has he actually done anything or are we still arguing about why he isn’t the GOAT, and self fellating over how many bots follow him on Insta?

 

[padr81]

I don't get why he's so popular. He's not a very likable person and a huge cry baby on the pitch during his peak.

Lets be honest he's not very likeable but I'd imagine the top 100 followed people on social media would all be cnuts.

 

[Andrade]

OK cool. Let's keep the thread to Ronaldo, the greatest player to have never won the World Cup.

Also false in my view, but not as out there as claiming he is the GOAT.

 

[Swoobs]

Also false in my view, but not as out there as claiming he is the GOAT.

To be fair, disregarding WC performances, the greatest to never won a WC has to be between him, Di Stefano and Cruyff, who for me are all within the 4th - 7th demi-GOAT bracket together with Beckenbaur

 

[FrankFoot]

To be fair, disregarding WC performances, the greatest to never won a WC has to be between him, Di Stefano and Cruyff, who for me are all within the 4th - 7th demi-GOAT bracket together with Beckenbaur

Yes, but performances should be counted, and Di Stefano never played a WC, plus Cristiano didn't do anything in knockout stages.

When I think best who never won a WC, I immediately think about Cruyff,
and Platini, based on performances in the event and legendary status. You can add Zico too.

 

[JPRouve]

Well, the difference is the European population does not include fake accounts.

To illustrate that claim, Cristiano Ronaldo instagram account as 1.13% engagement rate. Nearly all of his followers are bots.

 

[Jericho]

I don't get why he's so popular. He's not a very likable person and a huge cry baby on the pitch during his peak.

He seems to have a similar type of appeal to Andrew Tate. A lot of young lads seem want to be like him more so than actually liking him.

 

[mshnsh]

Not sure why @SportingCP96 is getting hate for referring to CR7 as the GOAT. There are currently 4 viable options of which Ronaldo is 1 of them...

Cristiano is one of the greatest ever. The reason he is not the outright goat candidate is just one: he has always lacked the "on the ball genius" of some players at their peak, including some not considered as great as him due to relative lack of achievement and longevity.

 

[mshnsh]

I find it astonishing that some people consider Cristiano Ronaldo a better player than guys like Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Di Stéfano, Platini and Zico. Each to their own, I guess.

I think with Cristiano, the greatness needs to be separated from ability. There have been better footballers but he trumps all but the trinity of Messi, Pele and Maradona in the greatness ranking. It really is a testament to his determination and work ethic.

This is what it all comes down to, for me. I wouldn't care if Ronaldo had won a WC and Messi hadn't, it's just quite obvious to to who's better from watching them both play

I'm with you on that. It's not that he was just a poacher all his career, he was actually very good in his prime just not amazingly good like players of the caliber of Messi, Ronaldinho, R9, Maradona. It all boils down to relative lack of ability.

 

[GinobiliTheGOAT]

That equates to around 1 in 13 people in the world following him. That is absolutely bonkers.

I remember reading a while ago the amount he makes per post which is a sickening amount

Like Messi, Beyoncé, Taylor Swift etc.. many of those followers are bots

 

[mshnsh]

He still depends on his national team to win matches to go far in the tournament so he has opportunities to score in the playoffs, and create chances for him to get on the end off.

You're right that Norway is nothing like Portugal. But Portugal is nothing like Argentina.

The only problem is his individual performances. I remember staying up to watch the 2014 world cup match between the Portugal and the US just to watch Ronaldo play (was a Ronaldo fanboy back then) and he was very, very disappointing after a good start. The same for 2010 and those were his peak years.

Another thing, it can be argued that Portugal has better players than Argentina with just a few exceptions.

 

[GinobiliTheGOAT]

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[Andrade]

To be fair, disregarding WC performances, the greatest to never won a WC has to be between him, Di Stefano and Cruyff, who for me are all within the 4th - 7th demi-GOAT bracket together with Beckenbaur

Re the 4th - 7th/8th bracket I'd also throw in R9, who I still maintain was a better player than C. Ronaldo.

 

[heraklion]

The only problem is his individual performances. I remember staying up to watch the 2014 world cup match between the Portugal and the US just to watch Ronaldo play (was a Ronaldo fanboy back then) and he was very, very disappointing after a good start. The same for 2010 and those were his peak years.

Another thing, it can be argued that Portugal has better players than Argentina with just a few exceptions.

Some Ronaldo fans think that it is him lacking a WC win that prevents him from being considered along with Pele, Maradona and Messi and then they bring this "but, Portugal is not Argentina" argument (which itself does not make sense as Portugal had better or on par squads with Argentina in some). This is a very simplistic view..

First, he is not listed along these 3 because he is not a match for them in terms of what he can do on the pitch..

Second, in terms of the WC, the problem is in 5 WCs, he could not even do what Stoichkov did with Bulgaria in 1994, Hagi with Romania in 1994, Suker with Croatia in 1998, Modric with Croatia in 2018, Forlan with Uruguay in 2010, James Rodriguez with Colombia in 2014 in a single WC... I would say even 38 year-old Roger Milla from Cameroon in 1990 was more influential in WCs than him in terms of memories at least. None of these guys won a WC, none of them played in traditional powerhouse NTs, but people remember how influential they were. There is just not a single WC that makes us remember him as he was pretty average or a ghost in most games. And, the fact that he has 0 goal & assists in 8 WC knock-out games while even 39 year old defender Pepe had two and of course Messi dominating the whole thing breaking all types of WC records makes him look even worse.. He had plenty of chances in 5 WCs more than almost any other player to leave his mark in the competition...

 

[Swoobs]

Re the 4th - 7th/8th bracket I'd also throw in R9, who I still maintain was a better player than C. Ronaldo.

As Mshnsh mentioned above, and i agree with him, there is a difference between better and greater.

Better is just looking at ability, and there are quite a number of better players than CR7, greater on the otherhand is about legacy, and there are not many with a greater legacy than CR7. Imo, R9’s legacy pales in comparison to CR7, even though he has more ability (hence higher peak) and also a great legacy in his own right

 

[Andrade]

As Mshnsh mentioned above, and i agree with him, there is a difference between better and greater.

Better is just looking at ability, and there are quite a number of better players than CR7, greater on the otherhand is about legacy, and there are not many with a greater legacy than CR7. Imo, R9’s legacy pales in comparison to CR7, even though he has more ability (hence higher peak) and also a great legacy in his own right

I've seen a lot of people do this greater/better thing and I never understood what people were talking about so thank you for explaining it to me.

I would disagree however that CR has a much greater legacy than R9. We do not in fact know what CR's legacy is because he is still playing. What we will think of him 10 years, 30 years, 50 years after his retirement is not clear. Maybe his rep will increase, maybe it will decrease.

If you're saying that CR has a greater legacy than R9 simply because he's scored more goals and won more stuff, does that mean he also has a greater legacy than Maradona?

I personally use 'better' and 'greater' interchangeably and I base it on the same thing - performances. Particularly on the biggest stage. If you take CR's best ever all round performances, are they better than Maradona's? Or R9's? I really don't think so, and I saw all three play dozens of times.

But that's just my criteria, others count the accolades or whatever, even though the accolades available have changed over time.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

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[OverratedOpinion]

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