We just need to buy a good CB now. By itself it will show Harry that he won’t be playing here any longer.
Maguire | he stays!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
shoot him if necessary, in the face, with a gun
I'd prefer it if we promoted an academy player and demoted Maguire. Preferably a Greek academy player.
*it's not very effective*
Lesson learned hopefully. Next time don't give out silly contracts to players. Playing for Manchester United should be the pinnacle of a player's career. It's an honor to wear the red shirt. If the player doesn't like the money, just leave the club.
Hope he rots on the bench and loses his England spot
We are still not learning from our mistakes, we are still giving our stupid contracts to new players. How much was Mount around 200 to 250k per week. Rashford is also around 300k a week. Who the feck will buy our players. The reason why we were able to offload Fred and Elanga was because of their reasonable wages. I think some of our Einsteins who deal with contract negotiations would see this after this season.
Add some white text into the settlement...His 7 million will be paid in coins once a week and the drop off point is Morecambe Bay*
*Location subject to change without notice
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Some of you lot suggesting he walk away from the millions he’s entitled to under his contract would be the same wankers sending around massive typo-filled emails trying to drum up support to go on strike because they reduced the opening hours of the canteen by 15 mins on a Friday.
Ok fair. Another example. James Tarkowski is earning 100k a week at Everton currently.
I know we aren't supposed to think Maguire is anything other than shit on the Caf, but he could easily get a similar deal at a lower PL club after his contract expires at United.
I'm sure he wants to be at the Euros, but enough that you leave 7m on the table? Just stick that in a boring index fund and it's 70m in 30 years
FFS
I knew it. Good things would never happened to us.
I knew it. Good things would never happened to us.
Mount would be doing this to us in a few years, when we all agree he's a shit footballer.
In principle I agree with you outside of Manchester being a shittier place than London or United bench being nicer than being on the field for West Ham. Maguire is entitled to not accept a pay cut but he also needs to think midterm. He has two more years in his contract and if he doesn't play he won't get 100k per week in 2025, if West Ham offers him something like a 4 to 5 years contract at 100k for weeks, he puts himself in a better situation than the current 190k until summer 2025. Unless he thinks that he will get 100k in 2025 and not 50k.
I don't think that he is purely declining this offer for financial reasons, I suspect that his ego is playing a big role.
You're arguing semantics. Nullifying/breaking? What's the difference?
And players are routinely compensated when they move. It might not be the full value of the remaining contract (and if I've said that, I didn't mean to state it because I know clubs aren't just paying out two years' wages), but contracts generally include a loyalty bonus which will often be owed when a club sells a player that hasn't requested a transfer, regardless of their wage at the new club.
I really can't be arsed checking, so maybe some of what I've said has come across as a bit absolute, but surely it goes without saying that there's always a degree of negotiation? Players and clubs are obviously after the best deal for themselves.
And again, semantics. Of course it's not a direct comparison to losing a job, but there are similarities.
Ultimately, contracts are there to be honoured. A club can tell a player he can't move if they want to keep him, and a player doesn't have to move when a club says they no longer want him. Compensation is always going to be due when a contract is cut short. It's the same with any job, regardless of whether you've got another lined up.
Given how clearly the club doesn't want to sign more without first committing sales... Can they even bring someone in now ?
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That might be a little harsh, unless the person you ask to do it is a Wolves striker.
What a disaster.
I just remember that interview he gave ages ago when he was being a stubborn cnut after a shiite performance “look I’m the captain of Manchester United…”. It really went to his head didn’t it. he obviously has thick skin to deal with the boos and criticism but it’s very clear to me this guy is an obstinate fcuk. Ole was also a fool to make him captain. Maguire will stay and he will continue his delusion that he is probably still the captain and that he’s good enough to play for United. Just go Harry, swallow your pride.
I disagree. We gave him a contract on vastly inflated wages. We need to pay for that mistake.
That's not at all what's happening. You're confusing painful mediocrity with something like subordination.
Since you brought up the analogy of your job, it's like your company hiring you on a 5-year contract and then soon finding out that there is not much work available that they'd actually trust you with. Doesn't mean they can fire you. Not your fault they hired you. Most they can do is tell you "go somewhere else or just sit around earning money".
He's entitled to do so, just as we're now entitled to drop him from the squad much to the dismay of his England aspirations.
I've honestly never fully accepted the fact Samuel is alluding to. Paying off players to leave.
If you have any career interest, the player should forego his residual salary by accepting lower pay - in return you get your career back.
Of course easier said than done but clubs need to be firm beyond doubt. "We don't need you and you will not play - either leave or ruin your career." This is under the assumption that the club/manager don't see a way for the player to fight his way back into the plans.
If you have any career interest, the player should forego his residual salary by accepting lower pay - in return you get your career back.
Of course easier said than done but clubs need to be firm beyond doubt. "We don't need you and you will not play - either leave or ruin your career." This is under the assumption that the club/manager don't see a way for the player to fight his way back into the plans.
Can't we get some Saudi club in for him?
I used to be against booing him for playing poorly alone, but now, he deserves every boo he gets. He knows the fans don’t like him, the manager doesn’t rate him and his teammates don’t respect him as a leader. And yet, despite West Ham offering him £100k per week and the captaincy, he needs a payoff. An absolute disgrace of a player.
this is a completely childish and simplistic, people-pleasing view...
united negotiated the contract, maguire has every right to let it run out
We should play him in the meaningless games and give team instructions to play an extremely high line leaving just two at the back so we can expose how shit he really is.
this is a really bad opinion
I agree with you but shouldn’t he have already taken the hint by now? I mean Shaw starts ahead of him at CB in important games.
Money is more valuable today than tomorrow. Given inflation and opportunity cost and what not.
190k for 2 years and 50k for 3 years (conservative figure) beats 100k for 4 years and 50k for 1 year.
Oh, and there's always Saudi!
Why are people saying he's entitled to the remainder of his contract? If he stays then yes obviously he's entitled to it then but if he leaves then he's not fulfilling his end of the contract so why is the club expected to?
He's 30. There aren't any more big contracts left for him.
If he leaves United, his top level club career is over.
Given the emergence of Guehi and Colwill, his international career is probably going to be over soon as well.
So what has he got left? The answer is earning as much money as possible before retirement.
If he's about to sign a 3 year deal with West Ham for £100k, he'd finish up earning less than if he saw out the last 2 years of his contract with United at £190k. So from Maguire's perspective, he'd be no worse off if he stayed and earned his full salary twiddling his thumbs in the reserves.
The club signed the contract. Now the player holds all the cards. United know the situation and they'll eventually relent. The player will get what we originally agreed to pay him and the club will get its transfer fee.
If he leaves United, his top level club career is over.
Given the emergence of Guehi and Colwill, his international career is probably going to be over soon as well.
So what has he got left? The answer is earning as much money as possible before retirement.
If he's about to sign a 3 year deal with West Ham for £100k, he'd finish up earning less than if he saw out the last 2 years of his contract with United at £190k. So from Maguire's perspective, he'd be no worse off if he stayed and earned his full salary twiddling his thumbs in the reserves.
The club signed the contract. Now the player holds all the cards. United know the situation and they'll eventually relent. The player will get what we originally agreed to pay him and the club will get its transfer fee.
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FFS!!!!!
For some of the fees and wages they have been paying players, to shell out 30 mill is nothing for them and they will have another high profile player in the league.I'm not sure where that leaves him on the England front for his career but I'm sure his greed will take over though anyway.
I understand everyone’s frustration which is boiling over into anger in some cases. However, if we can’t shift him then we are probably going to need to play him in some matches as we aren’t particularly blessed with back ups at centre back! Varane can’t play two games a week so I can see him playing a fair bit. There’s no way we can afford to bring in another player now so I guess we’re going to have to keep him happy to get the best out of him!
West Ham had a deal for around £200k pw for Rice. They could easily offer something like £150k pw for Maguire, who would be a first team starter and a star player for them.
Stop being stingy WHU.
Stop being stingy WHU.
Would Maguire just feck off, accept your level and salary. We should not have to pay him off.
What a shit show. We should stop putting him in the squad if the window passes and he's still here.. He chose this. The new Winston Bogarde.
Poor little Jacob Maguire. It isn't like he won't receive the remainder of his loyalty/signing bonus when he leaves.
He's not arguing against Maguire having the right to let his contract run. What he's saying is that future earnings are contingent on you still being employed by the club that's selling you thus that money isn't "owed" to Maguire. He's being bought out of that contract. United shouldn't have to pay him for it.
But yes, Maguire has the right to sit out his contract, just like United now has the right to not include him in match day squads, etc.