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Christ almighty.

So both the club and Greenwood himself have commented on the posts, and neither have said they are fake, and yet you still think they could be?

This has nothing to do with that other case, it's not even remotely comparable and she is nothing like Heard in this situation. Heads need wobbling.
Why would they say it was fake, they wasn't allowed to comment on the case.

Whatever, it's done now. As I said good luck to them both. I feel all three (child) will need to move away and hopefully have a good life.
 

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If she has falsified evidence (I'm not going to say yes or no since there is NO EVIDENCE of this), then she has brought disrepute to Manchester United and Greenwood sadly has to pay the price because she is his partner.

Either way it's not a good look for Greenwood or his partner.

Seriously though, we've been through a myriad of explanations in these 30 pages and still the most likely explanation is usually the simplest one :rolleyes:
 

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Just… why…?

What is it with ‘****’ that people - mainly right wing people - are so unbelievably obsessed with…?

Greenwood is literally leaving Utd because a recording emerged that appears to show him trying to force sex on his girlfriend…

We’re reacting as a fanbase to losing our greatest academy talent for decades and also hoping that the family recovers and goes on to raise their little baby well.

And somehow, some way, it arrives at asking - ‘what if he’s a ****?’.

Just… how?
Another one who misread what I meant.

I don't, repeat, give a feck if their bedroom routine was "fantasy rape" or "cucking " or golden showers, whatever, I'm perfectly fine with all of that.

I was merely pointing out that any of that scenarios would be embarrassing for them to go out in public.

And I'm certainly not right wing anything. Maybe chicken wings.
 

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I know I'm going to get it for saying this, but I've always thought that picture was weird.

Busted lips are normally on the inside, also there was zero blood on her top.



Anyway, congratulations to the couple and I hope they find piece and a good place to raise their child.

Maybe I've just become cynical after the Amber Heard case

Not disputing the photo at all, BUT, my initial thought when I saw the long blood trickle reminded me of when I was a kid and bust my elbow open and I purposely let the blood run all the way down my arm to show my mum how bad it was when I got home. Aware this probably sounds very strange. That was just the initial vibe I got from the photo before reading any context. My view has since changed given the context of the recording and transcript.
 

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I’m so confused as to their statement and then their actions, which is it, saying he didn’t do what was he did but they are terminating his contract. Personally and I know this is not a popular comment but I would Habsburg him back if he can turn himself completely around (second chances, and believe me I’ve had some in my time and turned myself around completely).
 

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Jesus reading through this thread has really shown what absolute scum we have here on the cafe. I've actually got to the point where I don't think I want to post on here any more knowing that some of ye have the opinions that you do. It's dispicable.
I know, it's crazy that some people in the world see things differently than you. What an earth-shattering revelation; how shall you go on???
 

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Not when your opinion is sympathising with scum like MG, says alot about the kind of person you are. And yep I will put you on ignore. Looks like I'll be doing that with alot of people on here now if I want to continue posting on here.
I see you know Mason well and on a personal level?

No I actually value having the opportunity to support people’s rights to atone for their errors rather than cancel outright. Good luck to Mason Greenwood at his next club.
 

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A very contradicting message from the club. If they believe he’s innocent - stand by him? If they believe he’s guilty: sack him. Very simple. Also do not understand why the investigation took the bones of a year.
 

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Images and videos aren't always as they appear, they can de doctored, edited, taken out of context. If you believe everything you see then I also have a Ferrari you sell you...
Strange how this was never put forward as a defence. The fact that it wasn't suggests they aren't faked as it would have cleared the whole thing up years ago.
 

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Manchester United Facebook page is a cesspool of People from African countries bashing the club because of this decision. i also found @muller there as well. :nervous:
 

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Not even entering the right or wrogn decision debate as everybody will sit one side of the fence.

Purely from a footballing point of view it is a real shame though, really did have everything in his game to be a star. Interesting to see if he can get that back after all tha thas gone on.

My prediction is he ends up at Juve, Inter, ROma or Galatassary
 

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The comparison of the picture of Amber Heard with that of M. G's alleged victim is not to show that the alleged victim is a liar. It's rather to show that using the leaked pictures as "proof of guilt' argument when one has no access to all the evidence in its full context is 100% fallacious.
Stop speaking sense! We only want emotionally charged, irrational, flawed posts please.
 

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Sad to see him leave after he was acquitted and his partner is back with him starting a life with him. Media and fans have turned their backs to him. Could’ve used some good news after our dismal performance at the weekend
 

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Another one who misread what I meant.

I don't, repeat, give a feck if their bedroom routine was "fantasy rape" or "cucking " or golden showers, whatever, I'm perfectly fine with all of that.

I was merely pointing out that any of that scenarios would be embarrassing for them to go out in public.

And I'm certainly not right wing anything. Maybe chicken wings.
No worries mate, I wasn’t calling you right wing, just pointing out that the right wing have a deep obsession with people being ‘a ****’ :lol:
 

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That’s not ‘on the topic’…

It’s literally a completely different topic.
Yes and no. The point being, which I understand, is that no court of law has sentenced or judged Greenwood, so he is to be regarded as innocent, despite public known evidence to the contrary. I am curios to find out if that users point of view is fixed or can be challenged.
 

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I hate our fanbase. Crying that Greenwood would be in the team while bending over and sucking off the potential saudi overlords.
 

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Unfortunately the club should now remove Best's holy trinity statue or it's just selective cancel culture.
That is true and we should be having no affiliation with any sponsor or potential buyers that do not have an impeccable record when it comes to women's rights.
 

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A very contradicting message from the club. If they believe he’s innocent - stand by him? If they believe he’s guilty: sack him. Very simple. Also do not understand why the investigation took the bones of a year.
Signs of a weak football club and weak leadership. They ought to have stuck with their original decision and endured the blowback but they were too afraid of the financial consequences.
 

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The problem is that our legal system is not perfect. There's multiple factors that go into it but it's a fact that a lot of sexual assault either doesn't get reported or gets no conviction because again, it's not perfect. There are thousands of people who have got away with these kinds of situations free to walk the streets because of our legal system.

He may or may not have done anything. But things are reported as thus, he was arrested and charged, whilst on bail he broke those bail conditions in order to visit the victim, after that the witness refuses to testify and apparently new evidence emerges, without the key witness they cannot prosecute so the case is dropped, Greenwood emerges as being back with his partner, who is now pregnant and you know the rest.

So I don't believe he's as innocent as being made out by people, especially convenient that he breaks bail conditions to visit the victim and not long after not only is she pregnant but it might also have been the victim that drops out of being a witness.

Some of that is speculation of course, but the bail bit is true.

It's also true that many many victims of abuse stay with the abuser for a long time, these are all statistics you can look up, for people who are saying "but they're together again and have a baby now"
For me thats the whole point; our legal system isn't perfect. It makes mistakes. But its sure as hell better than the alternative - vigilante mobs and lynchings. You sometimes have to take the rough with the smooth. Criminals do occasionally get off. Innocent people do occasionally get sent to jail and in the old days, some innocent people were wrongly hung by the state for crimes they didn't commit. Y
Apologies for being a bit graphic and explicit, but I feel I have to raise something which stands like an elephant in the room for me..

Has anybody considered whether there may have been an element of CNC (consensual non-consent) in Greenwood's relationship, or are people even aware of this type of of dynamic can exist in a healthy/happy relationship?

This was something that crossed my mind, but I haven't heard anybody address the possibility of so-called "rape-play" which is actually somewhat common (see article above) in today's younger generation. Sorry to be explicit but it can include choking and punching during sex, being tied up etc. It's a kink and both parties consent to the use of such force.

I recognise that a football forum probably isn't the best place to have mature or serious discussion on sex and relationships, but I think its important to consider this type of possibility when making assessments on Greenwood's guilt for domestic violence and assault.

I think it's relevant here as none of us know the full story of what was actually going on, and we can only make reasonable assumptions based on all scenarios.
We just dont know. Its possible there was CNC involved. We just don't know though. Maybe not. The whole point is we have no idea because it never went to court.
 

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Will United get any money for him? Or this is mutual termination of contract? So wages saved only.
 

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I’m so confused as to their statement and then their actions, which is it, saying he didn’t do what was he did but they are terminating his contract. Personally and I know this is not a popular comment but I would Habsburg him back if he can turn himself completely around (second chances, and believe me I’ve had some in my time and turned myself around completely).
They are not terminating his contract
 

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A very contradicting message from the club. If they believe he’s innocent - stand by him? If they believe he’s guilty: sack him. Very simple. Also do not understand why the investigation took the bones of a year.
The club would have evaluated this purely from a financial perspective:
1. It's going to alienate a lot of fans, especially the bulk of the female fans
2. It'll be negative publicity for commercial deals
3. There'll be more protests and distaste

All this was not worth what he'd contribute on the field. In the eyes of the law, he is innocent & that should be pretty much what the club should take (really not sure what extra investigation can be done by the club to determine otherwise).
 

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It is a perfectly good example. No "regular" workplace on earth would allow him to continue in his job under the same circumstances.
No regular work place would have grounds for dismissal though? And certainly not after they have had the benefit of being able to conduct their own investigation, conclude that there was no wrong doing and then be able to dismiss via mutual termination.

If he was just a kid in a shop then he would be back in work already. The privileged position of footballer, specifically one for Manchester United has worked against him in this case.
 

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If she has falsified evidence (I'm not going to say yes or no since there is NO EVIDENCE of this), then she has brought disrepute to Manchester United and Greenwood sadly has to pay the price because she is his partner.

Either way it's not a good look for Greenwood or his partner.

Seriously though, we've been through a myriad of explanations in these 30 pages and still the most likely explanation is usually the simplest one :rolleyes:
If she had falsified evidence you would think the police would have brought charges.
 

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Not disputing the photo at all, BUT, my initial thought when I saw the long blood trickle reminded me of when I was a kid and bust my elbow open and I purposely let the blood run all the way down my arm to show my mum how bad it was when I got home. Aware this probably sounds very strange. That was just the initial vibe I got from the photo before reading any context. My view has since changed given the context of the recording and transcript.
Again, I want to put this out there. I'm not judging or talking about the case as whole or what happened in that relationship.

When it was running down your arm did it drip of your fingers on to the floor? That's the part I find weird. Anyway, I bet they both must be wanting to close this chapter and move on as a family.
 

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What else could the club do in the circumstances? Kept him and everyone and their dog would be up in arms, the press would go overtime on it. The amount of stick Utd and Greenwood would have got at away games would deter from the football. Other players (not named) as well as the womens team were uncomfortable with him staying either.