Probably because nobody other than Caf posters has suggested anything of the sort. Making random excuses up doesn't seem like anything other than invention to justify what happened with borderline victim blaming.
Mason Greenwood | Please be respectful and stay on topic
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
There's a mighty wide gulf between 'perfect' and the contents of the recording.
Always wanted to see the Scottish remake of that famous ballet tbf.
You should make better use of your mind-reading abilities.
Don’t believe I said huge issue, but it is the case that footballers are targets. Which is why you need to follow the law and have appropriate checks and balances.
the Scottish version of anything definitely involves pissing at some point. Maybe something deep fried sitting nearby. Deep fried swan... Mmm.But in this case the club is satisfied that he didn’t commit the offences he was charged with. That’s not wording supportive of just a witness not being prepared to cooperative nor is it a reasonable doubt test. The club is saying, categorically, that he is not guilty of those offences.
We can all speculate on what the reason may be for the club coming to that conclusion but we cannot argue that is what the club is telling us. It certainly puts the new evidence element of the CPS decision to drop the case well above the lack of witness cooperation to me.
On this at least you're right, we don't know what happened. Only thing we can do is hope there was a genuine reconciliation and they are in a healthy relationship right now. We can't just assume that is the case though, or safely conclude that she has made up her mind to move on with him, some caution is needed. Better that we don't speculate about it at all.
Maybe it was a role play so you're good.
Fair enough. I haven't read through this thread at all so you could say I'm not aware of the dumpster fire this probably is.
That Villa should sign Greenwood?
His observation is so noticeable that it’s become a kind of meme.
Agree, but is the club really in a position to demand he go through treatment if there is no way back into the squad? I mean, he could just say that's alright, I'll go somewhere else.
Why do you keep ignoring that the CPS said there was new evidence? It was not just that the complainant withdrew her cooperation. Nobody outside the CPS knows what that new evidence is, possibly not even the club.
The difficulties of prosecuting DV and SA cases don't really apply here as there is a direct recording of the event. If that was as conclusive as we all first thought they would not need her cooperation, which suggests there is a lot more to it than the 1 minute clip we all heard.
There's no "sincere desire to change" here though is there? He's said he didn't do it.
Not at 20 years old he's maybe earned 35k after tax for 1-2 years
Don't be naive. The statement was obviously a multiple lawyer created statement that would be foolish to read literally.
"Dear fans,"
"the evidence we did collate led us to conclude that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with."
"• We were provided with alternative explanations for the audio recording, which was a short excerpt from a much longer recording, and for the images posted online."
This is key to me. It should be made public, so we can all know what happened that night.
"the evidence we did collate led us to conclude that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with."
"• We were provided with alternative explanations for the audio recording, which was a short excerpt from a much longer recording, and for the images posted online."
This is key to me. It should be made public, so we can all know what happened that night.
Do you really believe that the withdrawing of cooperation and this new evidence are unconnected?
The club has a vested interest in the outside world believing in Greenwood not being guilty, as there's still an opportunity to extract value from his contract. They can say whatever they want.
That does not protect the alleged victim's right to anonymity and it may do their young family greater overall harm for all we know.
Erm? 70,000 pounds per week isn't it? 3.5 mill per year gross.
At this point it's probably too late, but couldn't something like that have been discussed and agreed a long time ago? Kind of like "for there to be any way back into the team for you, we expect you to undergo counseling and treatment XYZ. We will help you get the support and follow-up you need and want to see a detailed plan". I don't know what legal restrictions exist to talk about such things in the public domain, but this could have become a best practice case example for offenders, victims and employers on how to deal with domestic abuse (if you, like me, believe counseling a rehabilitation works).
Yeah, imagine the what would happen if it turned out, as rumored, to be some sex game/roleplay/kink. She would get villified online.
There is no anonymity though as they are married with a child and everybody knows who the alleged victim is.
Perhaps Greenwood, his partner and their families are tired of having the public scrutinize and pass judgement on their situation. We do not have the right to view any additional information and I’m certain they’re happy keeping it to themselves. Greenwood will move on and have a great career elsewhere and we would have lost our greatest talent to come out of the academy in two decades.
Two words.
Role-playing chat room dude.
Role-playing chat room dude.
To what end? He's being removed from the club after their own internal investigation. It's not like publicly releasing a longer audio with similar language will be particularly helpful. A lot of people seem to be sure it will prove something completely innocent, while it is just as likely that it will just be a recording of nasty words followed by a storming out - and therefore the rape accusation in this very specific instance would be inaccurate.
Nothing good comes from dwelling on this case. The club made a decision that doesn't require public justification and will try to move Mason somewhere else. Hell he might make 10x what he could make here in the Saudi League.
If they'd released a joint statement a few days after the audio and pics were released saying "this is embarrassing but we are consenting adults who were messing about." There would be a lot of joking and memeing online but he'd have been back in the squad the next match day and nobody would give a shit.
She wouldn't get villified at all.
People keep saying this, but the alleged victim has a right to anonymity.
You don't need to know. We don't need to know. Furthermore, the people at the center of this would rather we not. And they don't owe us that.
That call that "as rumoured" feels like a serious misrepresentation. Some people suggested it or want to believe it, let's keep it at that.
Yup. You're right, keep it in the family, in their 4 walls. What happens there stays there, right.
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You only use that phrase in a plea of mitigation.
Exactly and they keep forgetting they are still in a relationship and have a baby together.
U want mudslinging or what? And spoil their lives?
Everyone knowing who the victim is is not the same as her being publicly named by an entity that then opens itself up to legal consequences.
Greenwood will get scrutinized and judged for the rest of his life if there is a different truth that never gets out, we don't know if there is, but that is what the club is saying. And what about their child when it grows up? Your father is this, your father is that. If he didn't do it, show us the evidence. Otherwise, every one can rightfully assume he did.
I disagree, I think he was trash up top. He had some good form on the right in fairness and clearly possessed a high level of natural talent but I don't this he was ever truly going to make it to the top because of his shitty attitude.
I think you're being a bit too kind to Greenwood. Most of us grew out of the whole beating women and threatening them with rape** by the time we turned 18.
**Allegedly
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