Maybe try reading the previous posts related to the one you’ve replied to. It explains what I believe he is guilty of and why.
Clearly you’re totally void of a moral compass. How many reprobates are caf members?!
Mason Greenwood | Please be respectful and stay on topic
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Clearly you’re totally void of a moral compass. How many reprobates are caf members?!
Rightly or wrongly though, you are basing your opinion on partial evidence.
How? They waited until the CPS concluded their investigation and then they conducted theirs. The situation seems complicated and this kid was with us since he was 7 I believe. He's also an employee so we have to be mindful that we follow the correct legal procedures, plus gathering 'evidence' from relevant parties. It can take some time. If it were not for the leaks, would you say the same? I think it's correct we took time to assess all the facts (available to the club) before making a final decision. Plus this was a unique situation. I believe the time taken is understandable.
Yeah for sure. It felt pretty clear from the start given how public the evidence was, how big United is, that there was no coming back for him, here. At least not right away. Dragging it into the season was pathetic. Should've been sorted by July 1st. Best thing for the family as well is to start fresh somewhere new if they truly want to be together IMO. Get therapy. Raise the kid in an environment where the neighborhood doesn't think his dad is what most will think he is. Really don't see a life for them in England for a long time. Whatever truly happens, who knows, but in this era with social media, if something like that happens or gets leaked, you are essentially shunned right away.
I’m basing it on the fact if he was innocent then the accusations were false. These accusations have destroyed his life and now an entire country/industry are defaming him on a daily basis. Nobody would go back to someone who took this action against you, it’s quite simple really. So clearly the accusations were not false.
Just not true. That is also not a fact.
There are 1001 means to check and verify the video. If it's tampered, doctored, the MG legal team would have come out, JACK feckING POT! It's a hoax. End off.
I don't want to think of possibilities that it's alien, BDSM, or Prank, or whatever, his career is on the line, it's his job to proove otherwise. If he's innocent he'll fight tooth and nail and scream over it, not meekly accept he made a mistake
For the love of god is there a line people won't bend to defend what he did?
I am not assuming, the proof is out there. Have you seen the transcript?
And MG actually own it, he says it's wrong he did what he did. What more admission of guilt do you need?
What about that is not true?!
You are making assumptions based on pretty much nothing.
It makes it a lot easier to put people on ignore tbf
Both sides of the argument are clutching at straws trying to be in the right of the matter.
Only thing we know about it is the audio, which could easily be taken out of context. That's why, guess what, CPS didn't push forward with the matter. And don't get me started on those pics. If you think the club is lying about the matter, then call them out on it, take action. And if they do have something to put all this in context they won't, you know why? There's a thing called "privacy", that everyone is entitled to.
I'd rather see the club take that sort of time they took on making this decision, on scouting players and doing something about this dross we're watching.
Mate, it's an emotive subject and there's been some absolute dirge posted in here today, but it's really not worth the infraction points for.
It's the time plus the opening statement though. You don't think the timing was way off, and the arrogant way they assumed they could just throw him back into the mix was ridiculous?
And you say "if not for the leaks", but I said the same thing when they did drop the first statement. I was questioning why they didn't do a charm offensive from the start of preseason as it's been obvious all along they were going to try to keep him. All those leaks did is confirm what most of us suspect about how the club is being run all round at the moment...shambolically.
I agree it's a unique and difficult situation, but come on. Some of the stuff said out to the public and in the boardroom is a joke. Trying to drag the women's team into it for a start? Feck off with that gaslighting shite.
I've not seen the W word...and I don't mean wanker, which a lot of these posts are.
On nothing?
Were the accusations made? Yes.
Did the accusations destroy his life/career? Yes.
Could they have landed him in prison? Yes.
Has he gone back to her? Yes.
Considering the first three points of fact, nobody in their right mind would forgive these actions and resume a romantic relationship with the accuser.
No reason why they couldn't sort it out by July. Having it run until mid August, distract the season, have all this come out between games, disrupt transfer plans, the misguided beliefs that he could actually return etc... It's a complete lack of understanding of how the public actually works, being completely out of touch with reality. So that's a concern.
The ONLY way there was ever going to be a return for Greenwood would have been for a joint media interview with him and his girl, where they essentially claim it was a mutual problematic relationship and they are doing therapy and working through issues, but mainly her essentially absolving Greenwood of the charges in public. Without that public interview, there was 0 chance of any return for Greenwood at United. That's the only way the mob would die down and accept a return at a club like United. There's literally no other option, and that should have been obvious to anyone with any expertize in PR. So the fact that they thought they could bring him back without having this was always crazy.
You have absolutely no idea of the full context and the dynamics of their relationship.On nothing?
Were the accusations made? Yes.
Did the accusations destroy his life/career? Yes.
Could they have landed him in prison? Yes.
Has he gone back to her? Yes.
Considering the first three points of fact, nobody in their right mind would forgive these actions and resume a romantic relationship with the accuser.
Weghorst?
Did the club say something publicly that was offensive? I'm not aware as I do not read or click on anything from the press as I consider them all to be tabloids. So did we directly say offensive things, or is this coming from 'leaks'? If the latter, then you're aware the press won't give us any context and would have gone with the most inflammatory angle?
The only thing I'm aware of is that the club wanted to talk to everyone at the club, including the women's team - as they should.
Oh I’m all ears. I’d love to know what relationship dynamic involves making career ending, prison inducing accusations and then simply forgiving and forgetting all about it like it was some squabble over infidelity.
I don’t know and neither do you. I’m not pretending I do though.
You assume that he did absolutely nothing and she did everything.On nothing?
Were the accusations made? Yes.
Did the accusations destroy his life/career? Yes.
Could they have landed him in prison? Yes.
Has he gone back to her? Yes.
Considering the first three points of fact, nobody in their right mind would forgive these actions and resume a romantic relationship with the accuser.
It is possible that he did do something (but not really too serious) and that she also did exaggerate it to make it more serious that it looked.
Both parties told partial truths, realised it, and came to an agreement that if it got out in the public eye they were both losers so they both shut up.
Why he then had a baby with her though, it's not for me to judge. Someone keep an eye on the welfare of that kid.
And thats precisely it but people aren’t grasping that concept at all.
Sorry, until there's a chance that he might be innocent on the matter, i can't understand why is everyone so happy about a young lad destroying his career.
You don't see an issue with publicly announcing that? Because if you don't, then you must have missed the result.
How is the audio & pictures not something too serious ? If Mason has an explanation of the audio and pictures we would all like to hear it. Otherwise UTD made right decision.
Was that announced publicly?
And again, here we go again...
You are saying nothing that hasn't already been talked about in here over and over mate. I get it's a big thread, but every couple of pages this comes up and it has to be pointed out over and over that his career ISN'T destroyed, he is just leaving one club.
And in his own words, he set this all off and made those mistakes.
It looks and sounds serious but until we hear the full version, which by my understanding will never be released, you can't be 100% sure that it is what you think it is.
You can only be 90% sure and that's it.
I personally think that he did something. But how serious the offence, I don't know and will never know.
I have not seen anyone here happy with that. I´ve seen alot of posters happy that the club did the right thing and he is not playing for United again, myself included.
Yet here you are happy to back the 10% chance. Why is that?!
This isn't criminal count, UTD don't need to prove beyond reasonable doubt. The audio and pictures are pretty damming and are enough for UTD to want to move on. If there's missing context or if they were altered in any way, Mason and his camp can let us all know. Let not act like this is a witch hunt. There is enough evidence for people to be up in arms for Mason staying in the club. If he can provide an explanation of what was released in social media a lot of people would change their minds. We haven't gotten one yet
Because the CPS withdrew their charges. If it was serious enough then they did not need the victims cooperation to secure a conviction. When new material evidence came to light, that was probably the full video with context.
Maybe I've misunderstood? I will have to go back and assess.
Going from my memory, I don't remember it being inflammatory or insulting - unless I'm misremembering?
Because a 10% chance is not a 0% chance.Yet here you are happy to back the 10% chance. Why is that?!
I don't back it, I just acknowledge the possibility.
Because trial by social media is wrong, and none of us were at the actual trial. Not sure why you think it's a laughing matter.Yet here you are happy to back the 10% chance. Why is that?!
The audio we heard involved the threat of violence being used to coerce someone into having sex against their will.
If anyone genuinely believes “they’re both as bad as each other” on the basis of online hearsay that their relationship was a bit messy then that says a lot more about them than it does about Greenwood.
The video is proove. If this is she says he says then yes he's innocent until proven guilty
This case is special as the evidence are leaked. Hence people can easilly made up their mind.
Context matter yes. But there's always a point where you've heard enough. I dont need to see a whole 2 years of their relationship. Law doesnt work like that.. you can be an angel for 10 years in a relationship but that 1 night you hit her you hit her and that's a crime. That's it.
I can't quite remember if it was the statement of part of the press briefing, but that spoke about talking to the Women and that caused them to get big time abuse from the usual knuckledraggers online. This was before the leaks started, so it was either in the release of what they briefed as all media ran the same story.
In any case I think it's the best outcome for all parties. He has the chance to grow, learn and continue his career out of the huge spotlight of United, and we get to move forward with the season and hopefully find a replacement somewhere.
This is less about "both as bad", but more about painting a fuller picture for the people who are demanding an explanation for the video.