That’s a fair point.
Speed Limit Reduction in Wales from next week
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Impossible? Give over.
I appreciate there’s a massive urban/rural divide here, as well as a (mostly global) old/modern car divide.
But a car will kick along at 20mph with very little gas pedal. It’s harder to go over 20mph than it is to stay under it. Few cars will want to go faster than 20mph in second gear. Most will play nicely at that speed in third (above caveats allowing).
Just… don’t accelerate? You won’t go north of 20 in any gear if you don’t touch the gas pedal.
Really odd point. Fully appreciating that rural drivers in older cars may need to work a little.
As above, put most modern cars in second gear and it won’t accelerate past 20mph. Modern cars have so much torque, 1st is just a moving off gear (including hills) and second is good for 5-40mph.
Just admit it, you moved for the sheep
That's a nonsense take. Try it.
Cyclists are only allowed to ride 2 abreastt. To be honest, it matters little if it's 3 or 4 tightly packed as any more than 1 is a nightmare to get round on most roads anyway. I just don't like the way some take advantage of it and actually enjoy the fact they are holding traffic up.
Ultimately it's just making it more dangerous for themselves as more motorists will take any gap to get past and more will have little sympathy for cyclists. You find the actual cyclists who have been riding for years and haven't just taken it up because golf is too expensive (apparently that's a thing, more golfers are moving to cycling because of time restraints and costs) are really conscious road users. It's the weekend riders who are the ones who lord it up overr the rest. I bet when they are driving in the week they are the ones beeping and harassing the cyclists too.
It’s really not. It’s lived experience. Obviously it’s dependent on the car.
Don’t know what you’re arguing with.
A good driver ahould be able to judge their sp all around and I find it easy to judget the speed by looking at my suurondings and see how fast I go past themeed, especially low speeds like 20, without constantly looking at the speedometer, I live in an area that has a 20MPH limit and I find it simple
Beyond that, if you’ve owned the car for more than 100 miles, you could probably be blindfolded and know how fast you’re going in a gear, based on engine noise alone.
“I don’t notice I’m going over 20” is full on nonsense.
My car is a 3L V6 automatic but in a manual you're spot on
20mph is hard to maintain. You'll actually have to try hard not to go over.
I mean.. come on. That's like cruising in first gear
I mean.. come on. That's like cruising in first gear
What kind of psycho drives 20mph in 1st gear?!
It really isn't, the village/small town I live in is 20 throughout, it's easy to maintain that speed, just bang in third and you're done.
Probably low second
Should be able to shift into 3rd at 20.
It’s ensuring that you’re not going over it more than knowing what speed you’re doing as it’s so easy to go over
Exactly this.
Reckon after a week you'll be used to it.
There’s a weird “anti car” vibe in some posts in this thread
I thought exactly the same when it was introduced years ago in Bristol and everyone complained that 30 felt far more natural. But you get used to it so quickly, 20 feels so normal now and 30 feels really quite quick on the city's roads.
Really don’t think this holds water. Anyone struggling to quickly learn what 20 feels like probably shouldn’t be driving.
You didn’t read the post. It’s the ensuring that you are doing 20 or below for fear of losing your license when your work depends on it. I know for a fact I look at the speedo a lot more than I used to which naturally means less time with eyes on the road
Edit. I’ll also add my work van juddars like feck doing 20 in 3rd so it has to be driven in 2nd where the revs are higher and speed fluctuates a lot easier between 15 and 25 mph. I’ve been driving for over 20 years
Fair points. I think it’s just an adjustment period though. We disagree. It’s all good.
There's plenty of occasions where driving at the limit is too fast and, should you have an accident, you could face a charge of dangerous driving.
I have no problem with 20 zones outside schools or where the road is particularly narrow. But making 20 the standard is ridiculous and unnecessary.
I have no problem with 20 zones outside schools or where the road is particularly narrow. But making 20 the standard is ridiculous and unnecessary.
In residential areas 20 mph should be the limit.
In Semi-residential areas, 30mph.
In Semi-residential areas, 30mph.
Is an anti car vibe really weird? The planet is on fire. An anti car vibe should be normalised. And I say this as someone who owns a car (which I try to use as little as possible)
All this gears talk will sound very old-fashioned quite soon. The majority of cars sold aren't even available as manual now.
How about 25? Why do we only use increments of 10 anyway
Basically this, it’s how it’s been for a while and seems good to me
Damn I was waffling a load of shite last night. I haven't drunk posted for a while.
Plus cruise control has got so good you can use it on suburban drives. I lock my car down to whatever the speed limit is and and don't need to worry about speeding.
Something slightly amusing - we've noticed lots of new 30mph going up everywhere around the area recently which has obviously caused confusion.
Turns out the 30mph are just stickers and the council are sending out teams to peel the stickers off over night. fecking idiots.
Turns out the 30mph are just stickers and the council are sending out teams to peel the stickers off over night. fecking idiots.
Good question, in the US they do increments of 5 everywhere, can be annoying at times though!
Where does your cruise start, mine is 25 but it's 12 years old so maybe newer cars can use it at lower speeds
Driving at 20 feels ridiculously slow and is totally unnecessary on a lot of roads. Streets through housing and very busy centres I get, but then there’s the issue of staring at your speed and not what’s going on. Anywhere else, the onus should be entirely on the pedestrian not to walk in front of a car doing 30, which I’ve found rather easy so far.
The real issue is people driving at stupid speeds, but that’s not going to change with this, and is almost impossible to sort.
The real issue is people driving at stupid speeds, but that’s not going to change with this, and is almost impossible to sort.
Don’t think there’s a lower limit. Would regularly set it to 50kph anyway.
Exactly. Sort the shitheads out who drive at 50 downhill in residential areas not people who take care and pay attention to the road.
Less risk at 10mph than 20mph, just do that.
I say do without cars and build a UK version of the London underground.
It’s a limit people not a target. I normally drive 10mph under the limit so I’ll be doing 10. Gets awkward in car parks when the limit is 5. I just look forward to when I’m ancient and drive 40mph literally everywhere. Those moments when you’re sitting at 40 in a national speed limit zone and drive into a 40 zone without needing to slow down must be absolutely bliss.