Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Keep. He's a top manager in a shitshow of a club. He's effectively had the season sabotaged by Arnold's awful handling of Greenwood.
 
Keep ... for now. First time I'm questioning his decisions today. Think he's had bad luck before and understandable things holding us back. Today wasn't that. Today he got out coached. He shouldn't be visibly out coached at Old Trafford to anyone, ever. Let alone Brighton. So he needs to improve, and fast. Don't give a feck about beating the bottom half, he needs to prove his worth against good sides. We have a kind run after Bayern until end of October vs City, but he needs a huge response asap otherwise he'll find himself sacked pretty quickly.
 
How he manages to respond to this adversity will determine that. It's too early in the season to determine that.

What's most bitterly disappointing is how disorganised and off the pace we look. What was happening during pre-season? It's like there's a sickness deep in the club.
 
Horrible manager in game, doesnt look like he knows what he's doing with squad planning as well.

People moan about our players not being accountable and coasting through the season. Well, who is keeping ETH accountable as well? Murthough seems to be his subordinate if anything, and don't say the possibility of sacking him keeps him accountable as the rules of football don't apply to the real world, we sack him and he walks away with millions. I personally don't think he is being held accountable enough both for our general play and results.
 
You have to give him more time but despite him getting to hand pick players he wants I don't see a great and exciting style of play, it's pretty uninspiring to watch most of the time.
Yeah, let him hand pick more players like Mason Mount and Jonny Evans … what a talent scout.
 
We look so confused on the pitch. Surely some of this is on him? I also think he has been unlucky with injuries and some decisions going against the team.

I would give him 3 seasons.
 
He’s been dealt a shit hand and has enough credit to still have hope. I struggle to think of a single match that he has positively effecting change in though. If we’re playing bad we just continue to play badly. Shifting Bruno here, there and everywhere doesn’t work. He was playing centre back at the end.

A lot of his signings have been shit, Onana looks another turkey.

We’re so easy to play against. Teams don’t have to work hard to get behind our midfield or defence and it’s not even like we’re that attacking to expect to be picked off so easily. Hojlund and Amrabat will have to be very good.
 
I’ve backed him the whole way but today I’m having doubts. Some baffling decisions across the board and if anything we’re getting worse. He got almost everything right last season so I don’t know what happened.
 
We could bring in Pep and he would fail here. The club is rotten from top to bottom. We couldn't even get the right coat of red for a paint job on our stadium.
 
Not arsed. Whilst I believe he's overhyped and made next to no difference, our club is going nowhere whilst the Glazer scum and useless pricks like Arnold and Co remain in place
 
First game here that's he's been able to start a half decent striker today. 14 months he's been managing games here.
 
I'd back him until the club is sold. Probably stop letting him spend though.
 
That’s why I said it. He may get the sack and become our interim if ETH also gets the sack. Really hope ETH can turn it around but at the moment don’t see how.

Ahhh I gotcha! Aye, things looking even bleaker for Carrick than us.

No idea wtf has gone wrong with us. ETH had a relatively good first season, but things have imploded this season. The Bayern game won't be pretty.
 
Performances since the cup final (February) have been poor. We lose against anyone half decent away from home. This season we've been very underwhelming at home too. It's hard to pinpoint anything tactically that we are good at. Transfers have been questionable plus there is a lot of off-field nonsense going on.

Would you sack or keep?
Is this a serious post :lol:
 
What kind of football did Ajax play while he was in charge? Worries me the football is just as bad as it under Jose and Ole. It was clear Brighton knew they weren't losing that game today
 
Put together a proper structure first. DOF, Chief Scout, etc. Qualified specialists with authority over their respective domains. Leave coaching (and nothing else) to the manager.

Then we can make a call on keeping or replacing ETH.
 
Not only get De zerbi, but also get a DoF and sporting director. Also, change ownership. Tactically de zerbi is better than ETH, but for long term planning, we also need to have the right structure in place. And I feel that United new project should evolve around the ideology we are seeing at Brighton, but at a higher level. I believe that it is only a deeper problem than the manager if we are looking at it long term. But, short term, a good manager can come in and change our style and performance

But what you’re saying is bring in a new manager and give him the tools to be successful.. after bringing in a new manager and not giving him the tools to be successful. Why not bring in what ETH needs around him for us to compete? He’s a one man band realistically and it’s a unfair expectation at a club of this magnitude
 
feck this thread. Obviously at this point it should be obvious the rot goes deeper at this club. Until we get a complete change at the top nothing will matter.
 
Today was a huge turning point for me, I accepted the defeats to Spurs and Arsenal because they are games you can lose and say its a tough place to go.

Brighton at home doesn't get the same respect, good side but beatable. We made them look like they were playing a practice match today.

I just don't see what the game plan is, there seems to be no pattern in play, it's get the ball to Fernandes and hope for the best all the time. Rashford seems to have been instructed to shoot on sight constantly as well.
 
Give him a bit longer to see if he can turn it around, because with our structure we aren't going anywhere fast anyway.
 
Tactics are under control of the manager. There is no reason other than our manager for our disaster of a shape this season. Subs etc. It’s him being exposed for just not being that good. Look at Ange at Spurs?
Tactics are under the control of the manager. Focusing only on tactics and ignoring everything else that has been wrong for the last ten years is under your control though.

we’ve never really played ‘well’ under Ten Hag yet.
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Given the lack of improvement and money spent, it's hard to defend his position whatever the club decides. We look clueless and that's always the sign a manager is really under pressure.

Yeah there's been no other factors that might contribute to the shit show of a club he's joined...
 
Not yet. There are no viable options out there right now. Also, Let's see how he responds to adversity. Last year he rang the changes with Maguire, Shaw and AWB. He needs to do the same again with Bruno and Casemiro and make them fight for their places. If he doesn't do it then he's a dead man walking.
 
The issues are overindulgence to back the manager beyond the responsibility of the director of football curating the teams direction.

United after ten years still have that strategic hierarchial issue and until there's a DOF with some bottle, vision and steel these problems are reminiscently progressive from manager to manager whoever the individuals are. So changing the manager doesn't change anything to some degree.

What I've been most disappointed in with ETH is he was favoured because of how impressionable Ajax was. But he's chosen to change that identity and now fans don't know what to expect. It would be like De Zirbi playing this expansive football with Brighton and then going to another team and soaking up pressure and counter attacking. It's hard to know what to expect the team has no identity in truth.
 
First time I've started to question whether we're on to another false Dawn.

Though part of me thinks it doesn't matter who manages us with the Glazers around
 
Keep. He's a top manager in a shitshow of a club. He's effectively had the season sabotaged by Arnold's awful handling of Greenwood.
That's not an excuse for today. There has been a ton of issues, yeah. He should be able to motivate the side, get a siege mentality, implement a functional system. Today was a system that gave Brighton the advantage. And he didn't adapt. It worked for 15 minutes, they adjusted and started picking holes all over the place, and if he couldn't see what was so painfully obvious for many of us to see, then that is HUGELY concerning.
 
We don’t even do the basics right, that is on the manager and his staff. If we don’t have our best players, make adjustments. Instead we see the same sloppy crap week after week.
 
Like Potter was too.

Indeed. Bringing in De Zerbi (A manager I do actually like) will do feck all. The club isn't structured well enough.

It doesn't excuse all of ETH's shortcomings but nothing will drastically change by getting rid of him
 
Sack him and bring in Nagelsmann as long as he is available
And then sack him after 6 months to bring de zebri. Then sack de zebri in another year and bring the next shiny toy. While glazers keep on laughing
 
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