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Did ETH also ask us to rename the club to "Ajax United"?
I'm surprised he hasn't asked to have the canteen staff at United sacked and replaced by Ajax's.
Did ETH also ask us to rename the club to "Ajax United"?
I'm not using it as an example to give him more time, I'm using it in response to someone asking whether he lost big twice in one season.
He should be given more time because there's bugger all point doing anything else.
Great coach. Talent ID not so good.
I don't know, maybe you should read the posts that were being replied to so you get an idea before blundering in?What is the point of shoehorning Ferguson and his results into this conversation from the start?
I don't know, maybe you should read the posts that were being replied to so you get an idea before blundering in?
Because we are not that good at keeping it. And our best players are ones who thrive on transitional playI thought he'd value more possession here.
We seem to bypass keeping it too often.
Because we are not that good at keeping it. And our best players are ones who thrive on transitional play
United is a sacking club now, what the heck are you talking about? Did that approach work?It's 2023 and people are still using Ferguson as an example to give the manager more time. Incredible stuff. This excuse has been said for every single manager post SAF.
I have truly given up on United fans. We will never move forward as long as we are waiting for the next Ferguson and thinking that any manager will become a legend if given 3-4 years of being shit before winning something because it happened once in life time for a one of a kind as a manager.
United fans never learn.
Mainly because people like to misrepresent the past to support their own fairly shallow opinions, and I find it irritating. If people want to make their entire personality hating ten Hag, that's fine, but at least stick to the facts if it's that cut and dried.I know you aren't the original poster. You decided to jump in and support his view though, which is shoehorning Ferguson and his results into this to defend Ten Hag and his disastrous results.
I'm surprised he hasn't asked to have the canteen staff at United sacked and replaced by Ajax's.
This is my biggest disappointment with him, by far. It all started so promisingly when we went after de Jong, then turned awry when we kept on going after de Jong.That's the manager's fault on both accounts.
A year down the road, we should be much better at keeping the ball.
And he should have targeted players who aid in that.
All clubs are "sacking clubs"United is a sacking club now, what the heck are you talking about? Did that approach work?
Take in mind, the next manager would have to deal with:
- Antony's side show
- Sancho
- Maguire
- Greenwood
- Rashford + Bruno who are core of this team yet can't pass the ball properly.
- Glaziers dragging the sales to no end
- Inept football director
- Fletcher. What is even his role?
- Perma crooked Varane, Martial
- FFP
Tell me, how any of these are manager's job to solve? And I'm not convinced the next "hipster manager of the month" would be fixing this mess either.
Until club can find solutions to said problems, there no fecking point changing manager & going through the same cycle again every year.
Pretty sure he did target players who keep the ball better. One of them Antony is not liked because he does so by the way. He also bought in a keeper that helps and Martinez a CB who helps. He wanted De Jong in midfield and to me thats been the major issue the midfielders we have signed have been miles away from that profile bar AmrabatThat's the manager's fault on both accounts.
A year down the road, we should be much better at keeping the ball.
And he should have targeted players who aid in that.
The whole idea is that a dof can leverage the clubs global scouting network so you aren't reliant on players the manager knows. And they are also supposed to ensure signings represent good value and aren't so specific to the managers requirements that you need a whole new squad if the manager changes.In reality, what difference does it make? All that matters is getting the right players, and getting the best out of them. Do players suddenly become good/better signings because a DoF wanted them and not a manager? DoF, scouts, manager - makes no difference at all. Your job title doesn’t guarantee you of competence, and in reality, the manager/coach is the one that needs to work with them to make a squad, so I imagine all of the aforementioned parties will have a say in any signing anyway.
Teams with DoFs make terrible signings all the time. Ten Hag has no excuses for not doing a better job. He’s just a charlatan.
SAF had a lot more credit in the bank
He's been to a later stage of the champions league than we have in years with a team worth a fraction of ours while playing better football than we have in a decade. Would you argue Ancelloti was a bad manager because he failed at Everton? Some of these posts are ridiculous.United fans scared Ten Hag might walk?
Who the feck is Ten Hag in the grand scheme of things? The guy that can't win away from home and gets battered by his rivals several times a season. Make no mistake, he's just as shit as United right now.
Maybe but it is damning for eth that we have never had any style of play under him when you look at how quickly ange has put one in place at spurs"De Zerbi In" redditors can feck off.
He's systemic manager whom benefit from Brighton's structure & would instantly crumble at United.
What does that even have to do with the post?
Next time read what you are replying to instead of repeating what you memorized over and over again without thinking.
Did they all happen in the same season? Was his only trophy that he won at United the mighty Carling Cup?
It is like, having a few humiliations in 25 years is not the same as in a single season. And being a legendary manager is not the same as being a nobody.
Mainly because people like to misrepresent the past to support their own fairly shallow opinions, and I find it irritating. If people want to make their entire personality hating ten Hag, that's fine, but at least stick to the facts if it's that cut and dried.
Guess i'm just trying to figure out what your solution is. You don't want a manager who needs 3-4 seasons to compete. Therefore I have to assume, that you suggest we need a manager capable of miracles. A manager on the level of or even better than Pep and Klopp.
Is it just the 7 bit that makes it sackable? Is 5-0 okay? Just asking for reference.Using Ferguson from the start to defend the current manager and his results or as a reason to give him more time "because Ferguson was terrible at the start then turned out to be the best manager in history" is an absolute nonsense and I don't have to explain why.
The original poster said that 7-0 was a sackable offense at any big club which is true but of course the response has to be that Ferguson lost 6 or 5 before. It's just a nonsensical and tired argument.
As long as United fans keep using Ferguson as a metric and thinking a manager will turn into a legend after 3-4 years of being shit given enough time and money because it happened once in life time we will never move forward.
Ferguson could lose 6s and 5s much as he wanted it's not going to change that these results can get managers sacked nowadays. Time changed. Football changed. Expectations changed.
I think the start of this season has been compromised by injuries so its a bit early to determine we have no play style.Asking for the team to have an identity and play style in the manager's 2nd season after 400m spent is considered a miracle now?
No. I still believe that de Zerbi would have done a better job than ETH, maybe not last season but defo this season, but I also realize that you do not agree so there is no point in debating that further. I doubt that any top manager thought that Mount was the player our midfield needed.
Some fans think ETH can change things beyond football and tactics, some fans think he cannot do anything due to our poor structure where Mount all of a sudden shows up for training wo ETH getting the memo. Him resigning was a respons to the latter view.
Is it just the 7 bit that makes it sackable? Is 5-0 okay? Just asking for reference.
I think the start of this season has been compromised by injuries so its a bit early to determine we have no play style.
Asking for the team to have an identity and play style in the manager's 2nd season after 400m spent is considered a miracle now?
Right, I just wanted to know if it's only conceding 7 that makes it automatically sackable, or if 5 is bad enough? I mean, 4-0 is considered a thrashing, right?Last I checked 7 is bigger than 5.
Considering the circumstances, yes. If it was only about the money, Chelsea should've been top of the table by now. Your expectations are far too high buddy.
Right, I just wanted to know if it's only conceding 7 that makes it automatically sackable, or if 5 is bad enough? I mean, 4-0 is considered a thrashing, right?
Amrabat is meant to replace McTominay. Wanted 2 strikers got only 1. Wanted Kim and got Evans. Wanted FDJ, wanted Antony early and overspent in the end and now can’t do much cos of FFP well who’s fault is that?They had already replaced them for him. They brought him Mount and Hojlund to replace Scott and Martial. Selling them or not isn't the reason for us losing. It's that the replacement he asked for them suck as players, and also got injured.
I actually think Ole benefited from a combination of 'New Manager Bounce' coupled with the football ddisciplines Jose instilled in the team. Once those methods wore off his tactical naivety shone though, accompanied with an unfortunate fondness for needing to be liked. Been supporting this club since the mid 70s (Home & Away) and something inside tells me we need to stay behind this manager regardless of any short-term mistakes he might make.