I don't believe Jadon has mental health problems...this is just a football forum at the end of the day...it's not that deep.
Erik ten Hag vs Sancho
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
He may have cost 70M but he's by no means a 70M player currently. He's hasn't played as one since he arrived here. The standards are set by the manager and must be respected, if the manager thinks you're not doing good enough on training guess what? you're not doing good enough. It's not up to the player to decide weather he's doing enough or not, that's the manager's job. The player has to prove the manager wrong by performing not by bitching on social media. This one it's all on Sancho, he should had just shut up and prove ten Hag wrong by putting the effort.
Agree mate, would play Mount, Pellistri and Garnacho (not sure why we cannot try him right?) over Antony right now.
Nah I haven't changed my point of view. My point was (obvious to anyone not determined to be argumentative, I would think) that I do not think the club would be so tough with him if they knew he was having mental health issues. And that the club presumably have a pretty good idea (certainly far better than anyone on here) of whether this is the case or not.
It seems you're hung up on the "he obviously isn't" comment. I'll fully concede that I have no idea what's going on inside someone else's head. Our entire team could have mental health issues for all I know (and that certainly would explain some of the performances so far this season). But since there's no evidence for it, there's no reason to believe that's the case, and therefore just as pointless as speculating without basis about mental health every time a player is in poor form or has discipline issues, which you could certainly do, because hey, we just don't know right?
In absence of any proof/news, the default assumption should not be "He has mental health problems" and then argue that no one is supposed to deny it because no one knows the truth.
But he's certainly been better than Sancho.
So, are you saying he had mental health issues when at City, Dortmund and when with England?
Why didn't they pick up this issue, assuming it is one and he's not just lazy and unmotivated?
Sancho is done here. Sell him in the winter and bring in a proper right-sided attacker. Chiesa maybe would be a good option if Juve are willing to sell.
I don't think he has tbh. He presses more, but he's been awful other than that and often destroys our attack by doing the same predictable cut onto his left every time. Sancho doesn't press but I'd say what he has offered on the ball, while still not good enough, has actually been better than Antony.
Who says they wouldn't have? At Dortmund he had a team that got the best out of him, before he even fully arrived at United he missed that Euros penalties and had to deal with all that hate. Then he came into a situation where everyone called him generational, but the club apparently had no idea how to use him. Doesn't sound that far fetched that something like this would create a lot of pressure for him. Though it's impossible to say what the real issues are without anyone speaking up.
The comforting lies people tell themselves are scary to read.
Antony offers a lot more than the Manchester United version of Sancho. Neither really offer that much of goals and assists but Antony does offer things Sancho doesnt offer. Antony keeps the ball in the team. Antony is an outlet for the defense and brings the ball forward. Antony presses the opponent and Antony will track back to defend. Not to say that Antony has been amazing but from a teams perspective he has been more valuable than Sancho.
Generally when Antony plays the team does play better. That is not the case for Sancho.
I mean, let's leave it here, shall we?! I can't think of many more definitive statements on this topic than "he obviously isn't". You seem intent on denying that, and although I suspect you can very clearly see that you've a categorical statement.
Do you know Sancho? Just wondering what makes you think he might be suffering from depression or mental health issues?
It seems like a lot of people are hypochondriacs for other peoples mental health, always assuming the worse.
Depression is a clinical condition. Mental issues? Are you suggesting Sancho has one or more of the following: Bipolar disorder , anxiety disorder , or is even psychotic or has any other mental health disorder? And no one has raised concerns amongst his family, friends, teammates, coaches etc.
None of us know Jadon Sancho personally so there’s no way to know one way or the other, but I seriously doubt he has mental issues.
More likely, he’s frustrated by what he walked into when he joined United — which was a shitshow of epic proportions — and his response was less than fully professional.
More likely, he’s frustrated by what he walked into when he joined United — which was a shitshow of epic proportions — and his response was less than fully professional.
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You are probably right on the Ajax front. Why would Ten Hag want to give them the manchild that is Sancho.
I don't think we can blame ownership for this, unless you want to go back to what he was paid when he signed the contact.
Sancho is unsellable at this point, unless United want to bridge a very large gap between what his next salary will be and his current one. They were not willing to do that for Maguire at a much smaller amount. And that is despite getting a half decent transfer offer from West Ham. No club wants the problem that is Jadon Sancho and pay hundreds of thousands a week for the privelidge.
That is why i mentioned the loan as being an option. Get him out on loan and hope that he finds form.
Re Maguire, we could have signed multiple CBs, but he would have still hung on for is pay out to bridge the salary gap.
Has Sancho, or anyone from his camp said he’s suffering from any mental health issues or is it just something concocted online by people who don’t understand people can waste or not live up to their potential simply because. Often it’s about personality and character.
He will be back. I bet you. The club wont pay off the 40+mil it will cost to pay off his contract.
With this much money on the line, they will find a way.
Very good chance he gets loaned out.11k posts and still coming out with crap like this
I just dont know where all this warm understanding for the manager was when Pogba f... with Mourhino. All of the sudden the whole CAF is standing behind our unproven manager while one of the all time greats got murdered here.
If Sancho can’t understand if the options are Antony, who last season was basically like having a hard working RB with a good touch playing RW versus him, who is basically a ghost, the lesser evil is the one who works bloody hard.
People disliked Pogba, they just disliked Mourinho more I think. Pogba was in the wrong, looking back he must have been a nightmare to manage, glad both are gone.
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He’s sulking because he’s not been able to get away with his bullshit and even if he apologises to the manager he knows deep down he doesn’t have the drive to even get to training on time
Keep him away from the club until January then loan the shit bag out.
Keep him away from the club until January then loan the shit bag out.
Nuclear meltdown in the Sancho camp coming in 3, 2, 1...
And if Sancho has mental health concerns maybe he should recognise that the most high pressure and high profile club may not be the best place for him.
You can treat this as a health issue or an employment one but ETH is right. Either way it comes down to can you cope with it and if not it’s not going to be the best place for you to thrive and that’s ok.
He has clearly given up on ten Hag and United though. I do expect him to have a strong start to his career at a new club, to spite us, however this will again fall apart at the first hurdle because he cannot handle adversity.
Let’s face it, he doesn’t have mental health issues, the manager has done him a solid in describing his dickhead behaviour as something he has to get right “mentally” before shipping him off to Holland and people have misread this as something bigger. There’s no depression or anything like that, the manager just stopped short of calling him a cnut in that original press conference.
Top owners would have hired experienced football people whom in turn would value what a player does off the pitch as much as they do on the pitch. Unfortunately we don't have that. We have businessmen who wants everything aligned on them making maximum profit. That leads to hiring yes men at the football front who will give thumbs up to everything from signing popular players to agreeing to gruesome preseason tours that would end up crippling half the squad. In such circumstances important things like character profiling players get ignored.
One of the more bizarre threads on here.
Erik manages the team, Erik makes the call on how he wants to do so.
He’s pretty good at it, so should be left to get on with it.
Has anyone on here, providing their insight, have credentials to ‘judge’ Erik? Or have you all just got feck all better to do?
Erik manages the team, Erik makes the call on how he wants to do so.
He’s pretty good at it, so should be left to get on with it.
Has anyone on here, providing their insight, have credentials to ‘judge’ Erik? Or have you all just got feck all better to do?
Great post.
That's not entirely true, clubs build an entire support system around players, have medical doctors, psychologists etc on staff. But ultimately, if a player can't handle the demands, or is too mentally or physically fragile, it doesn't really matter what the reason is, the club is justified in moving them on if they can't cut it. Like I've said before, these are elite performers at world class organisations, more is demanded from these people than from the likes of you and me, and they get paid handsomely for it. Not everyone is strong enough for it and sadly it looks like Sancho is one of those. He can always go play football somewhere less demanding, nobody is stopping him.
Also, even if United was rubbish at recognising these supposed mental health issues, he's on £16 million a year, he can afford to get a referral to the world's greatest doctors if he thinks he needs more help. He's a fully grown, adult multi millionaire FFS. He lives in very different world to the rest of us, with access to unimaginable resources that few others get. Don't make excuses for him, make him accountable.
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Just guess whose going to be selected for extra drugs testing...I'd schedule one for the morning after a 3am gaming session.
Problem solved I suspect.
I don't know why Antony or anyone's performance is part of the discussion (particularly if Sancho wants to play in the LW), but he has been better than him so far considering both output (8 goals in his first season vs 5, 8 per season against 6) and effort. Not that it's a huge gap or a great achievement anyway, more like a "one eyed man in the land of the blinds" scenario.
ETH has chosen his best course of action since A) caving would mean losing the respect of the squad and B) there isn't a real decay in performances on the pitch due to the situation, and that's where his focus must be as that's what pays his bills.
Sancho's options right now are to apologize and put in the work (something a little out of character and with no guarantees), to wait until ETH gets the boot so he'll get a clean slate under a new manager, or to wait wait til January in order to go somewhere else.
Anyway he could just apologize in order to stop the bleeding in his market/brand value and then get the clean slate or leave in January anyway, so it's weird it hasn't happened so far. My impression is that he's been very poorly advised.
ETH has chosen his best course of action since A) caving would mean losing the respect of the squad and B) there isn't a real decay in performances on the pitch due to the situation, and that's where his focus must be as that's what pays his bills.
Sancho's options right now are to apologize and put in the work (something a little out of character and with no guarantees), to wait until ETH gets the boot so he'll get a clean slate under a new manager, or to wait wait til January in order to go somewhere else.
Anyway he could just apologize in order to stop the bleeding in his market/brand value and then get the clean slate or leave in January anyway, so it's weird it hasn't happened so far. My impression is that he's been very poorly advised.
watching Pellistri, Hannibal and Garnacho tonight, I can't say I'm missing Sancho tbh. He completely nuked his United career, and he has no one to blame but himself.
As a neurodivergent person, Sancho's behaviour strikes me as someone with ADHD.
Rumoured substance misuse, time blindness, rejection sensitivity dysphoria when dropped, injustice sensitivity when feeling wronged by EtH, prepared to cut his own nose to spite his face, etc.
It all fits in
Sancho acts his shoe size rather than his age.
Maybe, but if it genuinely means he can't ever perform to the required standard, then he needs to move to somewhere where that's not such a problem, somewhere less demanding. If it was a physical issue preventing a level of consistency, the same thing would apply.
But it's all speculation, we don't know whether he really has a mental health issue or not. We do however know he's great at making dumb decisions.
Also, there are players who had mental health issues who all still did amazing things on the pitch: Gazza, Maradona, Tony Adams to name but three.
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