There’s no side even within sides, especially on the Jewish/israeli/Zionist side. There are basic principles but the opinions range from very moderate to kill all Muslims in our lands.
Think we’re all guilty of it to some extent honestly! I certainly am. (Note to self which I will ignore inside 30 seconds: don’t argue with extremists who wont look at evidence anyway)
Solid post mate. Bolded bits are exactly where I’m at.
Telling people who hesitate to get ethnically cleansed that they are « terrorist » for 10 days or 20 days don’t make it any more palatable. It is still crazy borderline genocidal rhetoric.
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That's not what they're telling them though. They are asking them to move south. In many ways, it is somewhat unprecedented for a military to give a population a 10 plus day warning that their area isn't safe and that they should move further south.
Yep, I get ya, and I likely will not learn either!
Thats the flag of the welfare party of kerala, they're the ones who took out the march.
It is sad how Lebanon have lost their sovereignty but what the PM is saying is true. Israeli government are damn stupid if they think continuing this war will make them safer. They have neglected peace with the Palestinians and they are not listening to their neighbours. The only reason why they are so defiant is because they have the US to back them up. Peace has never been achieved true violence but negotiation and making concession.
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Its mostly Arabic introductions until about 30 seconds + thanking Sisi for holding the meeting. He then talks about the importance of the meeting and the effort needed to immediately stop the humanitarian catastrophe that is affecting the middle east. He then says please allow me to speak in English for our friends from Europe and around the world that are with us here today, and my message to them.
Thats one helluva speech.
This is a hell of a speech.
Probably one of the most sweeping generalisations I have ever read.
The replies are quite amazing. A bunch of people believed the uneducated tweet and instead of accepting it, they decide to double down and insult.
Urging civilians to evacuate from a battlefield is not ethnic cleansing, it's abiding by the laws of war. It's when Israel forcefully moves civilians from their homes when it becomes ethnic cleansing. For example in Ukraine no one is calling the evacuation of civilians from Russian aggression for ethnic cleansing but when Russia is kidnapping thousands of children and moving them to Russia it is considered ethnic cleansing.
Thank you
To go where though?
Its obviously a tragic situation in that the invasion is almost certainly going to happen very soon, where the Israelis are clearly looking at invading the two northern most sections of Gaza (North Gaza and Gaza City) and fighting the initial phase of the war with Hamas there, then once secured, moving into the other areas. Therefore the people in the northern areas would have to move south or else risk dying. Its going to be a humanitarian disaster either way since there aren't enough resources to provide shelter/food/water/medicine/basic services to those that move. There are also people in the northern sections who for medical reasons, don't have the resources to move. The bottom line, we are going see unprecedented levels of death, destruction, and displacement in the coming weeks and months unless the international community can find a way to temporarily move the civilians from Gaza to a safe space outside the strip until the fighting stops. There are however no easy solutions that are also realistic given that neither the Israelis nor Hamas are going to back down.
Ethnic cleansing is when those civilians aren't allowed back after the conflict, something Israel has a vast history of.
Unfortunately this is western thinking and neither side has much time for it on the ground. And while it is of course a blanket statement I made, it is also largely true. If we were able to impose western secular values on the two sides then there would not be a conflict in the first place.
It seems fairly obvious that the Israeli game plan (in so much as they have one) is to force the Gazans into the south of the strip through violence and lack of water, then destroy Gaza City and leave the population with a choice of living in makeshift camps supported by aid via Egypt or become actual refugees. Whether they will be able to pull this off is another matter.
They definitely have done that and should be held accountable for it but that doesn't mean we should start calling the evacuation of civilians for ethnic cleansing and urge participants in any future conflict to ignore these priorities. An invasion of north Gaza is coming and the best thing right now would be to get as many civilians out of north Gaza as safe as possible.
the issue is that they voted in Hamas. They hate Israel and don't want peace. They only want Israel eradicated and the Jews to leave "their" land.
Is that a running joke or people are that clueless about the topic?
Israel is the only country to have ever offered a state to the Palestinians. On 5 occasions, each time it's rejected. The other Arabs nations. Notably Jordan and Egypt and just as culpable as Israel
What can be the basis of a negotiation if the other party is committed to your absolute destruction?
Israel has no will to negotiate, the party they actually voted for and the extremist(Likud, a bunch of nationalist and religious nationalists) they elected have no will for negotiation and they also want to get rid of Palestine. But that's beside the point I made, current gazans didn't vote for Hamas, the last election was in 2006 and at least 76% of the current population have never voted in their lives.
In 2005 Israel unilaterally vacated Gaza and demolished its settlements to give Palestinians autonomy of their own land.
Nor do Hamas, which is why we are in this situation. The power dynamic between the two is disproportionately on the Israeli side, so any attempt by Hamas to do what they did two weeks ago could end result in bringing Israelis into a war mindset where they feel they have to once and for all get rid of Hamas.
So you are going to side step everytime your claims are challenged?
Hamas position is known and Hamas is considered by nearly everyone as a plague. Here I responded to someone who made a bogus point about Israel not Hamas.
Abbas is useless has he ever come to the table with anything reasonable? In any case he is powerless because Gaza/Hamas won't accept anything but a 1 state solution with no Jews "from river to the sea"
So it's all palestinians? One side is reasonable and willing to negotiate while the palestinians aren't?
Did they let the 5m Palestinians return to their land. Who are you kidding? its like people forget that internet exist and you can search every fecking information.
Neither side are interested in negotiating, which is compounded by the fact that Palestinians are represented by two competing factions, neither of which speak for them as a whole.
I know that, I'm not the one you should tell that.
I have neither the time nor the patience to engage with people butting in a discussion with horseshit like this.
