Sure. He's also playing better and more effective football than Pogba ever has, which is the point.Stop that. Pogba was stuck playing in front if the defenseby our pedestrian tactics. Bellingham has been given a free roaming role. Something Pogba was never afforded at United
i guarantee you if Pogba had gone to Madrid he'd have a way better club career than he ended having. Coming to united was a mistake on his part
Jude Bellingham | Real Madrid player
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
It seemed quite likely that he would score a last min winner when he scored the first one. Elite player level inevitability about him.
He has 13 goals in 13 games
He was never going to go to Utd.
The draw for young English talent like him just isn't there anymore.
I was sure his goalscoring would tail off, but he just keeps going and going...
He's essentially playing as a false 9 for Madrid in a diamond. Don't get me wrong, he'd have most likely been a success wherever he went, but he'd have played deeper for Liverpool, and I don't think he'd have been given the amount of freedom he's being given a Madrid.
Stop that. Pogba was stuck playing in front if the defense
i guarantee you if Pogba had gone to Madrid he'd have a way better club career than he ended having. Coming to united was a mistake on his part
I think you two are actually saying the same thing. United didn't see Bellingham as an immediate part of their starting eleven, so he went somewhere where he would be to develop better.
No one has been better than Bellingham this season. That first goal was ridiculous. The one at Napoli was brilliant as well and he scored all those late winners.
He's not even scoring goals due to Madrid playing good offensive football, he's worked miracles many times now.
He's not even scoring goals due to Madrid playing good offensive football, he's worked miracles many times now.
That's true, but it's a fact that Bellingham through his career now has played every position in the center (except goalkeeper) as well as left winger - he is just amazingly versatile and was good in every position he played.
I wouldn't exactly say he was never going. He did a tour and everything, and was heavily linked to United.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c.../man-united-jude-bellingham-transfer-17892666
I also think the draw is still there. Unfortunately, we're too indecisive in the market.
Which is, considering his age at that time (or now), not that strange. In hindsight it is obviously a mistake but it certainly isnt impossible to see why Ole didnt want to guarantee playing time.
100%. I was more talking about his goal contribution not being as good, though.
So BVB produced Jude, Sancho, haaland. Guess which one we signed?
Getting a little ridiculous now.
It just wasn't the right career move for him. Him and Haaland were good enough to be secure that the big clubs were coming eventually. Their careers has been managed perfectly as at that age, you either go to a lower pressure club that is known to develop young players or one that is already a functioning unit and is ready to win trophies. We're neither.
True, it's all hindsight now. We know that Dortmund made the right call in giving him a first team role and contract (money did play a role as well, as Dortmund allegedly offered more than United), but of course it could have gone wrong for them as well.
I don't even know that I would call it a mistake in hindsight unless United knew at the outset that those would be write-off seasons and they could afford to accommodate a young player in order to allow him to make mistakes and grow because there was no expectation to win much anyway.
Think Bellingham or Haaland would’ve been anywhere near this good had we signed them? This club is where good players come to die.
They have to.
The only time Pogba was given a free role at United was when Ole put him in a midfield three with Matic and Herrera. I can't remember how many he scored/assisted, but he was arguably the best midfielder in the world during that period.Stop that. Pogba was stuck playing in front if the defense
i guarantee you if Pogba had gone to Madrid he'd have a way better club career than he ended having. Coming to united was a mistake on his part
The fact that Pogba got into the world XI when he was at Juventus should say everything about how talented he was. As you said, United had no clue how to utilise him. As a result, his form fluctuated.
Actually, I can guarantee the same would have happened if we somehow managed to buy Bellingham.
We'd have somehow managed to kill Haaland and Bellingham's careers, too.
Peaky Blinders > Bellingham
i’m with paul merson, there’s no point letting english players go to inferior leagues. bellingham wasn’t putting up these kinds of numbers at birmingham in the championship, yet here he is, taking the piss out of el clasico.
wow just wow, it's crazy how Real is so good at identifying the real diamonds with all the noise..
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We didn’t miss out on Bellingham because we were indecisive. We definitely wanted to sign him.
I think Bellingham is more versatile than Pogba, so there is a chance that he would have played better than Pogba in the same setup.
He is right. Using Bellingham as a stick to beat Pogba with is disingenuous. Why would you compare someone that played in a double pivot and spent the majority of his career here collecting the ball from our centre backs to someone that is effectively playing as a striker?
You wouldnt expect Rodri to produce striker numbers. But then Pogba is the only midfielder in history that gets criticism for not defending like Kante, not scoring like Jude, not controlling the CM like Pirlo which probably shows that he is rated by his critics deep down. If he wasn't rated he wouldn't be expected to do three different jobs at once but would be judged on what he actually was doing like any other player.
He really is killing it over there. Makes me sad that we didn't get him, but then again, we all know that he would just turn to shit the moment he arrived at United.
Don’t think I’ve seen anyone better at knowing when to arrive in the box. It’s pretty incredible that he has mastered it so young.
Not too sure if you watched the World Cup, but it wasn't until Southgate pushed Jude higher that we saw better performances from, not only him, but the team as a whole. Can he play deeper? Of course he can, so can Pogba, but he's much better when given freedom, as we're seeing.
Yeah. Deli Alli was also very good at it.
The expectation to deliver when playing for Madrid is completely different to what we (used to) have here.
He snubbed Utd because he knew his chances of developing into a top player were elsewhere.
I keep wondering if this is enabled by Madrids lack of a striker. Basically he can always see the space there that would have been taken up by Benzema or someone like that.
His timing is impeccable right now. 20 years old!
I don’t know why people need to bring Pogba into the conversations in the first place like he’s some star player which should be compared to everyone. Pogba failed to live up to expectations whilst he was here and some of the excuses people are coming out for why are beyond laughable. But keep that for the Pogba thread.
His goal ratio is much better playing behind Joselu who is a proper 9 than Rodrygo who is more like your false 9.
He scores because he is given more freedom than other midfielders but also because his awareness is really special. Today was probably not his best game but in other matches he seems to be everywhere, his presence is massive.
What a player. I wonder where does he stand as comparing to the best English midfielders in the past: Charlton, Gascoigne, Scholes, Gerrard and Lampard.
Just seen the golas- natural footballer who makes everything looks easy wich is hardest thing to do on football pitch, and at this level, just wow.
He reminds me of Martin Peters who would ghost into the box to get the vital touch. Cantona could do that and Robbo too in his heyday. It's a rare gift all right.