I’d have to watch it again but at the time I didn’t think it was a foul, it was very weak from the defender.
I don't think it's obvious he pushed him at all. From the wider angle the defender is already leaning forward to head the ball before Joelinton's hands make contact. I couldn't see a noticeable shove forward but the defender definitely throws his legs back when he feels the contact.
We can agree to disagree I think. There's nothing stupid or wrong or embarrassing in fighting for your team.
Going by this logic they should not have the pen given for City don't you agree? Because we could argue all day what's enough or not.
Interfering with the keeper is so much more clear cut in that instance. I'd be more partial to a rule closer to that of 15 years ago but its not how it currently stands. The ball passing the general vicinity of an offside player isn't against the rules.
This is an amazing bias post, I don't remember the Spurs one, but the other 3 were fine. Stop playing the victim, it's embarrassing.
Absolutely do agree that interfeering with the keeper is more clear, but I do not get how anyone can see the situation and say that he didn't impact/interfere with the defender. Had the defender reached the ball had Maguire not been there? Hell do I know, and it doesn't matter.
I've found it amazing that so many are adamant Garnacho was onside.
Spurs one should've been a penalty, to be fair. Especially considering other penalties that have been given since for very similar incidents. But it wasn't bias, it was just the refs being shit.
Which pen for City? Against us?
Can we get one of those Ulez demo folk with a hammer into old trafford and sort that camera out then?
It definitely matters because that would be a justification to rule the goal out as opposed to the black hole of justification that currently exists. I think if Maguire cant get to the ball having stolen a yard on him with momentum going towards the ball (as oppossed to the opposite way to hold an offside line) then its pretty clear the defender wasn't going to get there. You can argue the goalkeeper which is at least plausible but i think its bullshit and they've basically reverted to if anyone is offside, its offside for one decision and will have a billion astericks and exceptions for every other offside decision this season.
I don't really disagree, though I have no issue with clubs speaking to the relevant people about clearly awful decisionscand a lack of consistency, but that's unrelated to what you said.
Fair enough but this guy was offside. Was Maguire offside when Garnacho crossed it though?
Maguire impedes and affects the defender's ability to play the ball, he even nearly gets a toe on it. I don't know how you're possibly arguing against that.
But this isn't anyone. This is a player that's actively trying to reach and play the ball and a defending player are in direct physical contact with him. Maguire would not have been deemed offside if he stopped his run, or didn't lunge himself to try and reach the ball or if he wasn't physically interfeering. But fair enough, you clearly don't think he is impacting the defender, I disagree.
Because he plays for one of two clubs who have fingers in political pies.
Well, there is that.
Think they scrapped those a few years ago.
That's fair enough.
Except he did block the defender. It's obvious he impedes the Fulham's defender from trying to get on the ball. It's quite likely Fulham defender would get to the ball if not for Maguire impeding him. Therefor it's offside. I really don't see why is everyone so upset about this decision.
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For me that’s the point I have seen the replay several times and I am struggling to say without doubt the original and on field decisions we’re clearly wrong.It's not brilliant as VAR was brilliant for them before this, they're just sulking because a decision has actually went against them instead of saving them.
It's a clown show. You can't whinge about it just when it suits your agenda. They were fine with shit decisions for other teams against them.
These decisions they're moaning about aren't even incorrect decisions ffs
Well when you put it like that....
Not really since the introduction of VAR since all incidents are considered to have been dealt with (apart from the time when they ignored that and rescinded MacAllister’s red card for going in studs up on an opponent).
If he stopped his run then he would have been blocking the defender and would still be punished (probably more legitimately). I presume he didn't know he was offside. I dont think the defender was getting there and i think there was minimal interference from maguire beyond existing.
Nah be strong you wuss
I agree that they should speak directly to the people involved with direct conversations. Statements just seem to put pressure on the refs going forward.
And was he offside when Garnacho crossed the ball? Genuine question.
Utd had penalty chalked off once by Craig Pawson because Maguire was offside, but the rules actually stated the opposite, that the foul happened before he could play the ball, so the penalty should have stood. Although, that was a slightly different version of events.
Because if that goal happened at the other end of the pitch:
Of course they aren't going to talk about it. But isn't that also part of the problem? Hate to sound like my mom but "2 wrongs don't make a right". Yes, Havertz should have been sent off and the ref in charge (and VAR) should be punished for only giving a yellow card. But just because there is that screw up it doesn't mean it's ok to screw up the goal. And do you really expect Arteta to stand up and say "my man should have been red carded"? When asked about it he said something along the lines of "this is the problem", referring to horrible calls not being made correctly in what is supposed to be the best league in the world...
That's pure conjecture.
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