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VAR and Refs | General Discussion | May 15: Premier League clubs to vote on proposal to scrap VAR from next season
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Attempts to play the ball. Without question is a yes. If you can’t see that clearly you need a visit to SpecsaversChallenge an opponent for the ball. No.
Attempt to play a ball which impacts an opponent. No
Make an obvious action which impacts an opponent. No
you should go into politics. Your intellectual dishonesty is next level. There are some key words you left out there bud...
Makes an obvious action which impacts an opponent. Again without question yes.
Your denial of the facts is not just beyond the next level but in outer space.
The disparity in the drama/debate between this Arsenal - Newcastle 'ball out of play' and the one we had against Brighton is stark btw.
Only Utd fans really spoke about our one whereas this Arsenal one is dominating the news, they're practically the same amount of 'out' looking and ours would've gotten us an equaliser.
Only Utd fans really spoke about our one whereas this Arsenal one is dominating the news, they're practically the same amount of 'out' looking and ours would've gotten us an equaliser.
We always make this mistake. We would've surely beaten them in the 40s if we had just launched a surprise night time bicycle attack.
Because media picks and chooses what they want to be horrified about.
Not the same scenario, but Neville and Carragher were not moaning about the manager when Klopp was ranting and Liverpool put in official request and asking for VAR audios and stuff. But when Arsenal go overboard with their rant, they are so hurt and embarrassed and what not.
Onana clatters into a defender - Talked about for weeks
Sanchez clatters into a defender - Never mentioned again
Utd ball out of play VAR ruling - No mention ever again
Arsenal/Newcastle ball of out play VAR ruling - Still going on now
I try to my best to be impartial but is this not a load of shite?
It's clearly bollocks.
I've tried not to be too tinfoil hat but the general feckery in and surrounding our games this season has made me wonder what exactly is going on.
It is obviously. The media has way too much power in football. From giving diver, moaner tags to players to picking and choosing decisions that they want to be horrified about. The refs and FA all are influenced by what media talks about.
A month ago he wasn't that supportive after Diaz offside. How wind changes quickly for some points and tap on shoulder. Tottenham manager seems nice guy but looking at situations they have been helped with by VAR and referees he need to be nice. TenHag should do the opposite. Go all in because we have lost 4 games because of VAR and referees. That is not normal.
ABU agenda. It is hard to think something else.
It is, but it's basic populism isn't it? You won't get as many views / clicks campaigning for justice for us as you will claiming we've been favoured, because the latter supports the general (ill conceived) view that we only benefit from decisions which has been in place since our domination under Fergie. When you have two less interesting teams involved then just stoke up the general furore around VAR, it's better than being realistic about the decisions maybe having been right.
Views > integrity now for the media in a lot of cases, and certainly in Football.
It is all nice and respectful, until Oliver gets another match where he decides that Spurs players deserve to get studs up challenges.
I don't have an issue with abolishing VAR but I doubt it'll do much to avoid the issues people are moaning about. People have been bitching about referees since time immemorial and it'd only take a few absolute howlers before people start claiming that "This wouldn't have happened with VAR".
The VAR genie isn't getting back in the bottle.
I'm all for time limits on VAR decisions. But more importantly, the refs need to get better, and the ref-VAR teams need to be in absolute sync.
I'm all for time limits on VAR decisions. But more importantly, the refs need to get better, and the ref-VAR teams need to be in absolute sync.
And they would be absolutely right.
Gentlemen, we can rebuild VAR. We have the technology. Let's make the process better so the game is more exciting with fewer errors
It's complete bullshit. And we have many claiming "nothing to see here". Seems like a double standard in the media, at the very least.
Credibility is not really increasing when it's Keys and some random backing up the claims.
I think the Arsenal/Newcastle game is still being discussed because Arteta threw a childish tantrum about it and Arsenal doubled down on it by releasing a statement. Lots of United fans have since said they wished United would do the same sometimes.
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I really had a hard look in the mirror but I agree with him on this.
Why shouldn't fans hear the conversation? Why is the standard of reff'ing so bad?
Time for VAR to become a different entity and the refs work under it.
Ten Hag should speak up more, but imo if he said something to what Arteta said on Saturday, the reaction would be different and pundits will just turn around and say "well that Onana incident with Wolves, so ha hah, things just even themselves out
I'm talking about the conspiracy theory side of things. I wouldn't actually read any of old hairy hands stuff to know if he had a kernel of a point.
Absolutely it does need an overhaul and there should be more transparency. The clubs are flipping minted. Why can't they have big screens showing the replays and hear the refs talk their way through their decision making?
I'm guessing rightly or wrongly the police might have a problem with this, especially in gams with highly charged atmospheres such as Liverpool v United, Leeds v United. Leeds v Chelsea
Do you really think there'd be a riot over a replay?
I think you would have to be pretty naive to think there wouldn't be a strong possibility at certain matches
It is not childish. He is lifting something that will help them in longer run.
We have lost so many games this season because VAR and referees and our club is just silent. There were shocking decisions in Arsenal, Tottenham, Crystal Palace and ManCity games. Even those we won, we have been treated in bad way by refs and VAR. We are always playing against the wind.
What we should have done is demanded explanations after first game against Wolverhampton even if we won. Why didn't we get two penalties? Now, by staying silent, we let ABU people put some narrative that we were helped by referees when Wolves didn't get penalty after Onana hit their player. Agenda that have followed us since that game if we look at this season. 1 decision for. 99 decisions against. Not to mention previous seasons where we have been served same kind of treatment.
VAR would be easier to establish in a time when people weren't so infatuated with whining and claiming conspiracies and victimhood.
Name a fanbase that doesn't think the refs have an agenda against them.
Name a fanbase that doesn't think the refs have an agenda against them.
Feck Arteta, but I also don't care about Postecoglou kind of grand-standing. Talking shit in press conferences and influencing is part of the game, when done correctly.
Klopp did it to us when he claimed we were getting too many penalties in our favor and it worked. Sir Alex used to do it all the time. You have to do it with more class than that Arteta joker, but you also don't need to be the holier than the pope personality that Postecoglou is trying to channel.
im half serious here but if we, say make top 4, by a virtue of 1 point im sure all the tabels of this season will be printed with an asterix next to our name. The asterix will read: Wolves should have had a pen against United
Another example of refs misinterpreting the freeze frame there for Maeda’s red.
I'm dying inside.
It's an absolute joke to be quite honest. It's bothered me a LOT that Match of the Day didn't even -talk- about the Harry Maguire 'offside', not even for a second. It took four minutes for the fecking VAR team to make a decision about it so clearly there's SOMETHING to talk about! It just seems to be "oh well correct decision move on" any time there's anything contentious in our games that goes -against- us.
Personally I think it goes back to the days when Alex Ferguson banned the BBC for their fecking joke of a 'documentary' about his son, trying to allege corruption/conspiracy. Never forgotten watching that upjumped garbage fearing the worst, and realising that no, there was absolutely nothing untoward going on and it was literally just a hatchet job.
It's just revenge, plain and simple. (taken from https://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/aug/25/alex-ferguson-ends-bbc-boycott )
Regarding the BBC ban:
the BBC's ban dates back to 2004, when Father and Son was shown on BBC three. Ferguson would later describe it as "a whole lot of nonsense, all made-up stuff, brown paper bags and all that kind of carry-on". He said: "It was a horrible attack on my son's honour and he should never have been accused of that. But it is such a huge organisation that they will never apologise. They don't even care if you sue them or whatever, because they are so huge and have insurance. They carry on regardless and it's breathtaking."
Regarding Gary Lineker:
Lineker has frequently felt it necessary to apologise for Ferguson's no-shows, when United's assistant manager, Mike Phelan, usually steps in for the post-match interviews. But Lineker has also angered Ferguson by describing him as "childish" for not speaking to a show watched by so many United supporters.
Ferguson later responded: "Gary Lineker – a bright boy from the BBC – says I'm childish. Well, he should know about that himself. He's been subjected to a lot of stuff in the media himself and he's had stuff stopped from getting in newspapers from time to time. So he'll understand what childishness means, because he is childish. I don't think I'm childish at all."
And we’re back to Bruno being one of the best players in the world
Point taken about Keys but the random is the former head of PGMOL though
I think he's bound to have some internal links still active.I don't know why anyone is still arguing about the ball out of play. I couldn't care less about it if we don't have a definitive picture. Also having seen the Japan at the WC situation i think it looked more "out" than ours so i'm fairly sure the ball stayed in. The only issue for me is the foul and the half-arsed attempt to check for offside.
I really cant decide if the ball is in or out. There is an optical illusion here which puts a rim around the ball. The effect is visible where there is a slight indenting of the edge of the white line. If one makes allowances for that the ball might be seen to be touching the line. Then you still have to make a decision - in or out!
You're right. The game shouldn't be corruptable... but it is, and Klopp has mastered cheating and influencing officials in a way Rafa's equivalent rant could only dream of...
Nice to see Neville, Carragher and all of Sky/BT doing what they're told and going full lockdown on criticising referees and the current state of officiating in the PL. Sad little stooges collecting their pay cheques. The quality of officials is quite clearly abysmal and having a ridiculous impact on results
Just heard the VAR audio for Gordons goal. I have my doubts if that was an authentic one.
But if its a real audio then that VAR should be fired tomorrow morning.
Edit: seems a fake audio. pretty funny though.
But if its a real audio then that VAR should be fired tomorrow morning.
Edit: seems a fake audio. pretty funny though.
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Careful posting things like this, you'll have people bringing up the whole Fergie had the refs in his pocket myth again.
Is this the same Klopp whose team is victim of the most blatant VAR feck up since VAR was introduced? That whole influencing officials thing didn’t help there, did it?
I think there's too much potential for trouble broadcasting them in the stadiums, but there's no reason why the TV audience can't hear and see exactly what's going on.
There's obviously a difference between VAR making an actual monumental cock-up and them consciously not giving United penalties over a two year period to not anger tombstone teeth.