What the feck?
Rashford's red card - correct decision or badly done by VAR again?
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So if a player sees an opponent about to take a step to the side, and he slides his leg in quickly… that’s a red?
Appreciate nth degree and all that but surely there’s a difference between seeing an opponents leg and planting your studs on it VERSUS moving your foot/leg and your opponents’ leg moving to under your boot?
And regardless, starting with stills is a bad idea. Let ref watch in real time and let ref tell VAR official what he wants… rather than VAR telling ref what they think. Ref should be in control of these situations not VAR official.
It’s a yellow card offence in reality, but by the letter of the stupid modern day laws/rules it’s a red.
They really are doing everything they can to make football a laborious chore these days.
Can you imagine how many red cards Vinny Jones or Roy Keane would pick up in this day and age? They'd be suspended more than available for selection.
They really are doing everything they can to make football a laborious chore these days.
Can you imagine how many red cards Vinny Jones or Roy Keane would pick up in this day and age? They'd be suspended more than available for selection.
Common sense
Edited later to “catching” or “caught” playerWhat the feck?
I love how that Copenhagen player was allowed to elbow Hojlund.
It was the wrong decision because Rashford did not mean it, and it wasn't something really dangerous.
But it was the correct decision if you follow the current regulations.
So, the question is, do we follow the letter of the law or not?
I think that VAR has to follow the letter of the law, so they don't really have a choice. Should VAR have a choice to follow or ignore the letter of the law?
But it was the correct decision if you follow the current regulations.
So, the question is, do we follow the letter of the law or not?
I think that VAR has to follow the letter of the law, so they don't really have a choice. Should VAR have a choice to follow or ignore the letter of the law?
Ankle breaker? Have a day off. It's a bruise/cut at the very extreme worst.
It wasn’t even given for the tackle but his arm flaying.
It's a red card sadly. Not deliberate but still dangerous. Problem for me is that if there is a deliberate stamping it is the same punishment.
I'd gave seen it for what it was, an accident. He hasn't tried to do him.
It doesn't matter if it was deliberate or not.
This Nani's red vs Real all over again isn't it.
Same circumstances: us controling a crucial game, getting a red for attempting to control the ball, etc
Same circumstances: us controling a crucial game, getting a red for attempting to control the ball, etc
I remember luke Shaw getting leg broken by horrendous tackle in the box by I think Feyenoord ref didn’t give a penalty or send player off
Referees should be made to watch any VAR incidents alternating in both real time and slow motion when they go over to the monitor.
So it’s a red card for the offence the ref didn’t give it for? Some of your are hilarious.
I dunno, perhaps you could read the rules. A challenge that's reckless or has excessive force could be deemed a red, but that is quite clearly not a challenge as he has the ball and is not challenging for it.
Seems it also doesn’t matter what actually happened
Which? Their pen was harsh. Our pen shouldn't have been given as it hit Maguire's hand before it hit the. Copenhagen player's arm..
He should do what every other player on the pitch managed to do, be aware of his surroundings and don't be so fecking clumsy. All he has to do is not step so far outside the ball and close to the opposition player. Somehow players manage to protect the ball every game without doing what he did.
He's gone across the opponent to shield the ball, it's not even a tackle FOR the ball. In slo mo, and the still Frame it's looks terrible, but there is no intent from Rashford. I've seen 5 or 6 really nasty tackles that have had no consequences at all, but when it comes to United it's reviewed to death.
Similar to Casemiro's two sendings off last season, VAR had still frames from an angle that looked worse than what it was. I never thought there was a vendetta against United, but since Klopps infamous rant we certainly get the rough end of refereeing decisions.
The key word is reckless. He was shielding the ball the way 20 stone Dave from the pub shields it.
Never a red.. ever
This is the problem. They have made a rod for their own back now with VAR by creating the expectation that it is going to be used to get every decision spot on. That they will sit for minutes at the time to remove all subjectivity (even though you obviously can't).
How do they rein that in now and bring it back to "clear and obvious"? It would be a far better addition to the product that is modern football if it was quicker, less disruptive and just a quick second opinion to make sure there hasn't been an absolute howler.
Personally I wasn't too put out by that being a red. Was more perturbed by a nonsense "it brushed his arm a bit from point blank range" penalty, but at least we got one as well.
Showing that still on the screen as the ref is on his way is fecking pathetic.
A red for Rashford but Havertz stayed on the pitch at weekend?
We are constantly fecked in Europe with refs. Whether it was red cards or pens. Constantly. Can't remember a single European game where we havnt conceded a pen in a big game. Nani red vs Real. Rafael red vs bayern. Roy Keane vs Porto. And that martinez hand ball in the europa league last season was an utter joke.
Don't forget, there are and always have been different standards in Europe vs the PL. I'm not sure both those handball penalties get given in the PL either.
Correct decision.
Red card all day long.
Not only did he put his boot on the players ankle, he also then lifted his other boot off the ground and spun round on the guy's ankle.
Personally I think it was intentional, nothing accidental about it.
Go and look at it again, the pirouette on the player's ankle was disgusting and uncalled for. Could have snapped the guy's ankle.
Red card all day long.
Not only did he put his boot on the players ankle, he also then lifted his other boot off the ground and spun round on the guy's ankle.
Personally I think it was intentional, nothing accidental about it.
Go and look at it again, the pirouette on the player's ankle was disgusting and uncalled for. Could have snapped the guy's ankle.
Nope, bollocks. If you’re not fighting for the ball, using your body to block the opponent etc… then you shouldn’t be on the pitch. Football is a contact sport and referees need to remember this.
Also key difference is Casemiro was challenging for the ball, Rashford had possession of the football.
Ref didnt think it was a red in real time. Problem i have is that the refs arent in charge of the games anymore but some blokes in a room hundred miles away. The game is being destroyed.
"A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent"
It was very much accidental, however I would say that the red was the correct call. The contact is just pretty ugly.
It was quite typical of United this season to fall foul of what is a rare occurrence like this. There was only ever going to be one club who was going to be coasting to a win and screw it up this way and it had to be us.
It was quite typical of United this season to fall foul of what is a rare occurrence like this. There was only ever going to be one club who was going to be coasting to a win and screw it up this way and it had to be us.
Because most players don't go putting their foot under someone who's about to plant there's.
Players shield the ball in the exact same way literally all the time. Defenders stepping across a player when a ball is running out of player take even bigger steps then what Rashford did
Every player on the pitch tonight managed to fight for the ball and use their body without forcefully planting their studs on the opposition's shin. Except Rashford.
Even if he gets away with a yellow, he's picked up a needless clumsy booking and now can't make a challenge for the rest of the game.
Just shield the ball in a more responsible manager and the ref doesn't get the opportunity to feck us.
So was it given for the arm or the ‘challenge’? As a post suggested the former was clarified where’s everyone is still on about the leg.
Badly done by VAR - He was the one in possession of the ball, he was planting his foot to protect the ball, the opponent stuck his own foot where Rashford was about to plant his - end of. It wasn't raised, he wasn't out of control, it was a freak accident.
If a player is running and someone decides to stick their foot where they're about to step, is that a red?
If a player is running and someone decides to stick their foot where they're about to step, is that a red?
Anyone who has played any football and shielded the ball will say that's a ridiculous decision. So naturally he gets red carded.
There’s literally thousands of unique moments in any football match. Expecting any one of them to happen more than once makes no sense.