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Israel-Palestine | Genocide in Gaza
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feck me in the ass. That's despicable.
It was doomed from the beginning imo. An attempt by leaders to flog the facade that they care to their domestic publics, all the while working to advance their own respective regional aims. All the summit was lacking was Leslie Nielsen parachuting in.
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Add to this, the four countries cited as rejecting today's prospoal are all either bordered on Israel or in some way partnering with them to normalize relations. They are almost certainly playing the long game as Hamas is not a hill they are prepared to die on in exchange for giving up their own regional interests for their own nations.
A good piece on Sinwar. Particularly this quote...
Obviously no way to verify this, so TWAPOS, but this Gazan claims one of the Israeli soldiers who addressed him was wearing US military attire:
I saw a few tweets on similar lines.
They don't like Israel or their treatment of Arabs/Palestinians, and they need to be publicly supportive (verbally at least) but they aren't going to empower extremist/terrorist Muslim groups either, as they pose a huge problem for them domestically. Partly why they (and others) ae happy for the "Palestinian problem" remaining as Israel's problem.
Israel's reaction is exactly what the Hamas leadership wanted. It isn't like they will be surprised or care about the civilian causalities on their side.
John Oliver did a thing on this tonight. Every informative about the players in charge, some of it I knew, some of it I didnt. The interviews with kids was... rough.
Some of the US representatives' comments are weird as feck.
Israel has done nothing but try not to escalate the northern front,
as it will surely shift the focus of the IDF to Lebanon, with Hezbollah being a much bigger threat to Israel's security.
Hezbollah managed to badly injure civilians and soldiers yesterday, so the response by the IDF should be bigger than we've seen so far.
But a full-scale war is the last thing Israel wants at the moment.
A bigger confrontation will surely come to fold later on, because you have tens of thousands of Israelis who won't return to live near the Lebanese border so long as Hezbollah and other Iran-affiliated soldiers are waiting there unharmed.
Predictable and reflective of the region's arab
There was nothing to expect from them. Or the Arab league for that matter.
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Yeah, Israel is trying not to escalate the tensions on the northern front because the bulk of its forces are engaged in Gaza. They just can't afford a war on two fronts without the US directly stepping in. Hezbollah is doing just enough to keep Israel worried but not openly be part of the war.
I also believe that if the Hezbollah really enters the chat, it will be while Israel is still bogged down in Gaza. There's no point otherwise.
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Incredible stuff.
100%.
Nasrallah has a choice to make,
and whatever he opts for will shed a clearer light on how his mind works-
Does he put Iranian interests ahead of internal Lebanese ones?
Doesn't matter that I, an average Joe, don't seem to have a clue what he wants.
It seems though Israeli higher-ups aren't sure of his intentions.
That being said, I did read an article this morning that seemed to have quoted some general saying that a war with Hezb is imminent and unavoidable ;/
Not sure what a Hezbollah action would seek to achieve other than just f*ck things up some more and help its Iranian overlords with their chaos agenda.
I'd read it was extremely unlikely as it would pull Hezbollah resources away from maintaining power against the army (?) in Lebanon, but maybe that was wishful thinking.
I'd read it was extremely unlikely as it would pull Hezbollah resources away from maintaining power against the army (?) in Lebanon, but maybe that was wishful thinking.
Yeah it's actually quite an image on more than one front-
You will have MPs in the current Israeli government who would want to slit this soldier's throat as much as Hamas would want.
Nah, it's not like the Lebanese Army will come after Hezbollah. Lebanon as a country is in such a shitty state that they can't afford anything to happen, whether it involves Israel or not.
It's an interesting situation because you would think that Iran doesn't want to activate Hezbollah right now;
if the October 7th would have been coordinated with Hezbollah, then it would have made perfect sense, and Israel would have been in very, very deep shit.
It would also make sense to activate Hezbollah into a full-scale war with Israel the moment Iran has an atomic bomb in its arsenal. not before that.
If Hezbollah takes part in a war against Israel, it won't be destroyed, but they will need to build themselves for years to get back to where they are today. and it's not like Israel will cease to exist either.
It'll just be many many injured and killed people on both sides, especially in Lebanon as Beirut and South Lebanon will more than likely get flattened. whatever the IDF restrains itself from doing in Gaza [I know there seems to be no such thing in the eyes of posters here...], it won't in Lebanon.
I don't think the end goal (destroying Hezbollah / destroying Israel) can be really achieved by either side...
Nasrallah is a cunning one and enjoying the show right now. I personally think that he'd rather stay out of it, but still has to answer to Khamenei, one way or another. If the order comes from above, he'll have no choice but to enter the war.
I don't believe that Iran will let Hezbollah go in unless there's a real chance to inflict a major blow to Israel. It all depends on how well the IDF are faring right now in Gaza, and the fact that we have absolutely no impartial informations about the military situation to rely on, makes it difficult to make any prediction.
In my opinion, Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas are banking an a nasty ground war in Gaza, with A LOT of civilian casualties, and the ensuing international pressure to get a cease-fire that will allow Israel to claim victory without achieving its primary goal, the complete destruction of Hamas, which let's be honest, was never attainable anyway. The prestige of Tsahal and the Israeli intelligence services have been badly damaged on 10/7. The manner Israel is conducting this war is contributing to even make it even worse. The Abraham Accords are now shelved for a long while, Netanyahu and his government are fecked and Palestine is on the map once again. People on both sides are thirsting for blood. That's already a big victory in itself for them. Screw the thousand (+) Israelis and ten of thousands (+) of Palestinians who died in the process.
Hamas will be ousted out of Gaza, I have little doubt about that and I think that the Hamas leaders know it too, but chances are high that it will reappear in one form or another. My bet is on the West Bank. The disproportionate retaliation in Gaza and what's happening with the settlers in the West Bank at the moment will make sure of it.
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My school was always closely aligned with the SA anti-apartheid movement, to the extent we had some major leads of the ANC visit us frequently. We were also educated about the Palestinian people's right to their home and the terrible crimes committed to steal it from them since 1948. Since then, I've somehow just followed them on the news/twitter but never invested in it as much as I did back then through school.
Knew of but now getting acquainted with the hundreds and hundreds of absolute horror atrocities committed by the IDF/IOF on innocent Palestinian civilians over the last two decades. It's heart breaking, enraging stuff. I hope the dead find peace and the living know it in this lifetime. Israel and the terrible actors within it need to face justice (as do Hamas and their brand of terror).
Knew of but now getting acquainted with the hundreds and hundreds of absolute horror atrocities committed by the IDF/IOF on innocent Palestinian civilians over the last two decades. It's heart breaking, enraging stuff. I hope the dead find peace and the living know it in this lifetime. Israel and the terrible actors within it need to face justice (as do Hamas and their brand of terror).
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israe...-tony-blair-as-gaza-humanitarian-coordinator/
https://www.ft.com/content/f140a7f4-2541-4db2-8240-8f13600b3aa0
Tony fecking Blair
Gaza humanitarian coordinator
The word humanitarian and Blair should not be mentioned together and should be actually mocked. The guy himself should be in prison for fecking causing the death and suffering of hundredes of thousands if not millions of Iraqis.
https://www.ft.com/content/f140a7f4-2541-4db2-8240-8f13600b3aa0
Tony fecking Blair
Gaza humanitarian coordinator
The word humanitarian and Blair should not be mentioned together and should be actually mocked. The guy himself should be in prison for fecking causing the death and suffering of hundredes of thousands if not millions of Iraqis.
The Israeli state bringing the experts of breaking international law to help them break international law without consequences.
Lovely. Took only murdering 10k civilians to get to this, but it's an overall positive i suppose.
Quality control
Celebrate while you can. At the end of the conflict, the flags, the agendas behind it, and the threat of imposition of haram lifestyles on Muslims will be gone.
Yeah I genuinely laughed in bewilderment when I read thishttps://www.timesofisrael.com/israe...-tony-blair-as-gaza-humanitarian-coordinator/
https://www.ft.com/content/f140a7f4-2541-4db2-8240-8f13600b3aa0
Tony fecking Blair
Gaza humanitarian coordinator
The word humanitarian and Blair should not be mentioned together and should be actually mocked. The guy himself should be in prison for fecking causing the death and suffering of hundredes of thousands if not millions of Iraqis.
They deleted it. Why did they delete it?
Just thinking of that perfectly intact Mein Kampf book that Israel officials pulled from their ass…err, I mean ‘rubble’…it’s genuinely baffling to me the calibre of lies that official Israel accounts are propagating on twitter. Like, legit stuff that my soon to be 5 year old nephew would try and pull over on my sister when he is caught being naughty or doing something he shouldn’t etc.
What the feck are you on about?
There are people with a different sexual orientation and gender preferences everywhere and that also includes Palestine and other muslim countries. No one should ever be judged, condemned or punished for that. The interpretation and practice of a religion is a strictly personal matter and should never be imposed on anyone.
Keep your haram lifestyle horseshit out of the conversation.
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That's not the main reason at all.
A soldier stood in front of a tank, is waving a flag promoting something vehmently opposed by people they are conquering and killing, and i'm the problem.