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Agreed. And as if "only" murdering 1400 in their attack is somehow ok if systematic rape (and then execution) didn't happen. How widespread it was is hard to currently ascertain but it seems certain some occurred.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...-evidence-of-sexual-violence-in-hamas-attacks
I would honestly put a restriction on people going down that path. The last thing we need is conspiracy theorists.
Multiple people here and elsewhere have said that the death of thousands of men, women, and children due to bombing Gaza is a preferable alternative to risking Israeli soldiers' lives.
The soldiers shelling hospitals and sniping patients in the neck. These are the precious lives that must not be risked.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-offer-50-hostages-5-day-ceasefire-israel-rejected-2023-11
- Hamas offered Israel 50 hostages for a 5-day ceasefire in Gaza, according to The New York Times.
- Israel rejected the deal, demanding a shorter timeframe to collect and deliver the hostages.
- The negotiations took place pre-October 27, and briefly delayed the ground invasion, per the report.
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100%. They have become the evil they fought against. An example of hurt people transferring that hurt on to other people. There must be some studies somewhere or hopefully in the future that looks at the psychological aspect of the Israel cruelty towards the Palestinians and whether there is/was either an element of enacting the revenge that they couldn't enact in WW2 or whether like you see sometimes with abuse survivors, re-enacting that abuse on to others. Not saying all Israelis but the ones that are pro violence. Its also why a lot of people can see that the cycle of violence may never end as the hurt people now i.e. the Palestinians may be likely to do/ have already done the same to the Israelis
I'm also intrigued how this conforms with Judaism which I admittedly know little about.
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Good lord, this is some bleak shit.
Making the case that Palestinian children are evil and deserve to get bombed to death.
I think... After all they've been through.. it's simply a "never again, better them than us" mentality.
Compassion is easy to preach when we're not on the receiving end.
A nation's tragedy often bring resilient and hardheadedness
People are so rich in Gaza that even children have their own living rooms.
As usual, Thomas Friedman making lots of sensible points: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/09/opinion/israel-hamas-war.html
Worth a read if you have time.
Worth a read if you have time.
Have either of you actually watched the video? He says it was found on a Hamas fighter. Doesn't necessarily make it true, but this looks like yet another tweet that's deliberately misleading.
No he's reverted to his bullshit, pretending the Palestinian issue is adjacent to what's going on in Israel.
Wonder if he spoke to any Palestinians on his tour through the West Bank.
Execellent epizode of Ezra Klein show.
https://the-ezra-klein-show.simplecast.com/episodes/yossi-klein-halevi
https://the-ezra-klein-show.simplecast.com/episodes/yossi-klein-halevi
Works really well as a pair with the previous one, with the Gazan scholar. Both are useful in getting a clear, articulate expression of the mindset each 'side' is approaching this from.
Did you see the notes in the book which apparently were talking about their mothers retirement. It's clearly bullshit.
You mean this?
It's too low res to make out what's written there and I assume It's not exactly written in English anyway.
So I'm seeing three tweets. One is sharing the same video, with the same misleading (at best) claim by the caf's favourite informational rapper. One is a high res picture without translation, one is some random dude patting himself on the back for predicting the obvious.
What I'm not seeing is a translation.
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The Israelis are in fake news overdrive currently. They’re probably the worst nation at it (or jointly with Russia).
they also put this out yesterday (2nd tweet):
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I'd get that mentality if they were not doing what they are doing in the West Bank. That has nothing to do with reslience or hardheadness, its just cruelty on a people who cannot fight back.
feck me in the ass. That's despicable.
It was doomed from the beginning imo. An attempt by leaders to flog the facade that they care to their domestic publics, all the while working to advance their own respective regional aims. All the summit was lacking was Leslie Nielsen parachuting in.
Add to this, the four countries cited as rejecting today's prospoal are all either bordered on Israel or in some way partnering with them to normalize relations. They are almost certainly playing the long game as Hamas is not a hill they are prepared to die on in exchange for giving up their own regional interests for their own nations.
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Obviously no way to verify this, so TWAPOS, but this Gazan claims one of the Israeli soldiers who addressed him was wearing US military attire:
I saw a few tweets on similar lines.
They don't like Israel or their treatment of Arabs/Palestinians, and they need to be publicly supportive (verbally at least) but they aren't going to empower extremist/terrorist Muslim groups either, as they pose a huge problem for them domestically. Partly why they (and others) ae happy for the "Palestinian problem" remaining as Israel's problem.
Israel's reaction is exactly what the Hamas leadership wanted. It isn't like they will be surprised or care about the civilian causalities on their side.
John Oliver did a thing on this tonight. Every informative about the players in charge, some of it I knew, some of it I didnt. The interviews with kids was... rough.
Some of the US representatives' comments are weird as feck.
Israel has done nothing but try not to escalate the northern front,
as it will surely shift the focus of the IDF to Lebanon, with Hezbollah being a much bigger threat to Israel's security.
Hezbollah managed to badly injure civilians and soldiers yesterday, so the response by the IDF should be bigger than we've seen so far.
But a full-scale war is the last thing Israel wants at the moment.
A bigger confrontation will surely come to fold later on, because you have tens of thousands of Israelis who won't return to live near the Lebanese border so long as Hezbollah and other Iran-affiliated soldiers are waiting there unharmed.