2024 U.S. Elections

owlo

Full Member
Joined
Mar 27, 2015
Messages
3,252
Morty_ said:
Was that ever an option with a 50/50 senate, with the likes of Sinema and Manchin? If dems had the numbers, surely they would have done it.

If they somehow claw a trifecta next year, and in a senate without those two, perhaps it could actually be done, it for sure has to be done, dems needs it to survive in this BS institution.
Click to expand...
I dunno really, but with Manchin retiring anyway, you think he could have done it? They only needed to flip either Manchin or Sinema for 50+Harris. It just looked like it was never on the table from the start which is weird to me. Am sure Biden said as president elect he wasn't interested in the idea. I struggle to see any good faith argument why either should not be a state. How the US capital can be without senate representation is baffling to me.

edit: Found this article. Apparently it needs 60 senate votes?

edit2: should have googled. tldr it needs 51 and balls. A simple majority in each House of Congress is required to pass statehood legislation; however, in the United States Senate, the filibuster requires 60 votes to invoke cloture. Some statehood advocacy organizations have called for amending or abolishing the filibuster as a path to achieve statehood.
 

The United

Full Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2015
Messages
5,805
berbatrick said:
WV is gone. All the rest are defendable in a normal year, and the polls for those senators look decent/good.
Click to expand...
I am not sure if I trust polls at this point. But again, having 50 senators would still be a very difficult task for the Dems even before the Hamas stuff.
 

The United

Full Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2015
Messages
5,805
owlo said:
I dunno really, but with Manchin retiring anyway, you think he could have done it? They only needed to flip either Manchin or Sinema for 50+Harris. It just looked like it was never on the table from the start which is weird to me. Am sure Biden said as president elect he wasn't interested in the idea. I struggle to see any good faith argument why either should not be a state. How the US capital can be without senate representation is baffling to me.

edit: Found this article. Apparently it needs 60 senate votes?

edit2: should have googled. tldr it needs 51 and balls. A simple majority in each House of Congress is required to pass statehood legislation; however, in the United States Senate, the filibuster requires 60 votes to invoke cloture. Some statehood advocacy organizations have called for amending or abolishing the filibuster as a path to achieve statehood.
Click to expand...
They don't do 'heavy' stuff like codifying Roe v. Wade and all other stuff due to the fear of pushbacks from people for the next elections. Some examples are Obamacare, Roe v. Wade, etc., even if you have good intentions. They just stay in the lane most of the time.
 

The United

Full Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2015
Messages
5,805
Morty_ said:
Normally i would worry about Wisconsin, since i don't trust the voters in that state at all, but GOP can't find anyone decent to run in 2024, so i don't think its much of a worry, Pennsylvania and Michigan have continued their shift back to blue, so i think they will be okay, Nevada they have an incumbent, everything is possible i suppose, but i think all those 4 holds.

WV is obviously gone, so it comes down to Ohio and Montana, not going to lie, dems holding both of those will be very difficult, Tester in particular would have to perform a miracle to stay in office.

The senate overall remains a problem for dems though, with democratic senators in red states almost being a thing of the past, they have to make up for it elsewhere, the problem is, a senate seat like WV is just GOP taking back what is supposed to be their seats, where can dems make up for that? Not in a blue state, and unfortunately, there are just more red states than there are blue states.

Dems can't afford to lose a single swing seat in the future, and thats just to break even, they can't afford to keep losing senate seats in states like Wisconsin and Maine, cause there isn't really anywhere else they can expand.

The senate is a rigged institution by design, it gives power to land over people, and should not exist.
Click to expand...
I am not sure if Dem would get MI next year because the senator is retiring, so the Dem won't really have an incumbent advantage. With possible Muslim voters staying home, it is really a concern, actually for Biden, too.
 

RedDevilQuebecois

New Member
Joined
May 27, 2021
Messages
8,256
I hope Newsom outright destroys DeSantis once and for all. At the same time, this should give Newsom some serious visibility ahead of a future presidential run if he outclasses his opponent.
 

Raoul

Admin
Staff
Joined
Aug 14, 1999
Messages
130,489
Location
Hollywood CA
RedDevilQuebecois said:
I hope Newsom outright destroys DeSantis once and for all. At the same time, this should give Newsom some serious visibility ahead of a future presidential run if he outclasses his opponent.
Click to expand...
He will. Whatever one thinks of Newsom, DeSantis is a terrible, one dimensional debater who only talks about ending wokeism.
 

calodo2003

Flaming Full Member
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Messages
41,940
Location
Florida
owlo said:
How far left is he? Thought this was quite a fringe left position, mostly espoused by a certain demographic.
Click to expand...
He is more centrist than his brother was, don’t think this is a lurch to the left, more like the other way.
 

owlo

Full Member
Joined
Mar 27, 2015
Messages
3,252
calodo2003 said:
He is more centrist than his brother was, don’t think this is a lurch to the left, more like the other way.
Click to expand...
That's quite a lurch. right-centrists aren't exactly pro trump! This election could see some janky coalition building. (at least on the back end; kids on the ground won't be aware they are a coalition)
 

calodo2003

Flaming Full Member
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Messages
41,940
Location
Florida
owlo said:
That's quite a lurch. right-centrists aren't exactly pro trump! This election could see some janky coalition building. (at least on the back end; kids on the ground won't be aware they are a coalition)
Click to expand...
Maybe he is truly channeling his true inner political self & his CNN persona was a bit forced?
 

Raoul

Admin
Staff
Joined
Aug 14, 1999
Messages
130,489
Location
Hollywood CA
Hilarious so far. They’re both talking over each other with Hannity feigning neutrality (despite asking Newsom all tough questions)
 

owlo

Full Member
Joined
Mar 27, 2015
Messages
3,252
Looks like he's working hard to get Trump nominated and prep for his 2028 run.

2 things randomly occurred to me earlier: 1. Newsom is smart for staying out of this cycle 2. The world is lucky that Trump is so damned old; too old to become a longtime dictator, so there will be a 2028 election.
 

Mike Smalling

Full Member
Joined
Jan 27, 2018
Messages
11,237
Adisa said:
Madness for DeSantis to agree to this.
Click to expand...
I don’t know. I just watched the first 20 minutes, and it’s basically two against one. Hannity’s moderation is a joke. Every question is “Why does California suck, when Florida is so great?”.
 

Morty_

Full Member
Joined
Feb 14, 2013
Messages
3,016
Supports
Real Madrid
Mike Smalling said:
DeSantis is just enormously untalented. He’s got absolutely no charisma.
Click to expand...
And yet, the guy turned Florida from a swing(ish) state to a solid red state, it's fair to say he crushed the democratic party over there.
 

calodo2003

Flaming Full Member
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Messages
41,940
Location
Florida
Morty_ said:
And yet, the guy turned Florida from a swing(ish) state to a solid red state, it's fair to say he crushed the democratic party over there.
Click to expand...
He's the tirular head of FL Repubs, but it was the overall Repub political apparatus that turned the state red, completely out pacing the Dem's to the point of sheer embarrassment.
 

Mike Smalling

Full Member
Joined
Jan 27, 2018
Messages
11,237
calodo2003 said:
Click to expand...
I wonder if this is the general sentiment. These things tend to be viewed very differently depending on your political position. I'm sure if you go on to r/Conservative, you will find a lot of people talking about DeSantis owning Newsom.
 

The United

Full Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2015
Messages
5,805
Mike Smalling said:
I wonder if this is the general sentiment. These things tend to be viewed very differently depending on your political position. I'm sure if you go on to r/Conservative, you will find a lot of people talking about DeSantis owning Newsom.
Click to expand...
It is BS as usual for these debates. Newsom just trolled him with his presidential campaign. That was funny and the debate was all about it and nothing else.
 

Morty_

Full Member
Joined
Feb 14, 2013
Messages
3,016
Supports
Real Madrid
Rumors has it that Ben Carson is top on Trump's VP list, it would make sense too, Trump most likely picks someone boring and low energy, he is not one for sharing the attention.
 

Redplane

( . Y . ) planned for Christmas
Joined
Sep 4, 2013
Messages
10,477
Location
The Royal Kingdom of Trumpistan
Morty_ said:
Rumors has it that Ben Carson is top on Trump's VP list, it would make sense too, Trump most likely picks someone boring and low energy, he is not one for sharing the attention.
Click to expand...
It's kind of ironic when you think about the fact that Ben Carson is living proof that being educated doesn't make you a smart man. Something a lot of Trump supporters like to claim in general.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.