Because it will take 8 years and will be a forever cycle of fixing and repairs of a stadium that’s been left to get to such a state, a new stadium will take 2 years max I suspect.
New Stadium or Revamp Old Trafford
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I'm a season ticket holder, and you can hear singing from all parts of the stadium, we are the opposite side from the TRA who sit above the tunnel and we can hear them loud and clear. I also agree that the issues with Old Trafford are exaggerated. And there are many reasons for this. One being that all of the media, journalists, commentators and pundits are housed in the oldest and crappiest part of the stadium. That Bobby Charlton stand has sections that date back to 1910 and the main bulk of it was built in the 1960's. So if you're covering a game one week at Spurs, or Arsenal, then come to Old Trafford, you would notice a significant drop in the facilities.
That said, the part of the stadium that I sit in, was built in 1997, and to my left, the quadrants were built in 2006 and the extensions to both ends were completed in 2000, so by no means is it "falling down"
3 sides of the ground are perfectly fine, the Bobby Charlton stand needs to be addressed and we no longer need the sloping roofs to let sunlight onto the pitch, as everyone uses UV lights on wheels now. Look at what architects did with the Bernabeu and take that sort of idea and see what can be done with what we have. Which is a fantastic stadium built for football. Not for athletics or concerts. No running tracks or removable pitches, just a great football stadium for us.
Well it is though mate, as it's never been demolished completely. It's like the Ship of Theseus, almost every part has been changed over the years but it's still always been Old Trafford.
I know it's semantics but if you completely demolish the stadium in one go and rebuild it (and probably move it) it will never really be Old Trafford again. If we decided to down that road we should just ditch the name anyway and sell the naming rights.
Well the club definitely can't afford a new build so the whole discussion is a bit moot.
Faults exaggerated
Where’s your club audit documentation? How exactly are they exaggerated? Didn’t know you were allowed into every section of the club! Please tell us more
Isn’t the main problem with redeveloping the south stand is where are the cranes going to be sited?
Well said Sir! I am a season ticket holder, in East Stand Upper Tier. As you rightly say, three stands are less than 30 years old and perfectly satisfactory for the needs of regular football fans. The South Stand (Sir Bobby Charlton) is the one to replace and expand.
Does nobody realise that the sloping roofs, which several posters have criticised on here, contribute to retaining heat from spectators in each stand? It can be sub zero temperatures on the pitch, but I have never been cold whilst watching a match from my seat in the upper tier.
On the pitch?
If we do it stand by stand the pitch can remain close to the stands. One thing I dislike about new stadia is the space around the pitch. But don't you think a major redevelopment is inevitable?
But cost 2 billion.
Looks like the only realistic place which means the stadium will have to be closed for a while.
The problem is, unless they can sell fresh equity to Ratcliffe, we don't have the capacity to carry £2b in debt and interest payments as that would kill us off as a competitive force for a long time. It could be a price worth paying but I think we'd need INEOS to put up much of the capital needed but then would they have the appetite to buy out the Glazers if they cross the 50% threshold through the stadium?
Read the quoted article on @Plant0x84 post here.
There is plenty of money available if INEOS were wanting to go in the direction of nee Stadium.
Bare in mind the cost of restructuring could rise to close to £2Bn over the course of 8yrs, heck after & years it could well exceed that.
whilst a new stadium too could exceed £2Bn - Having the two options so close in money - while we’re spitballing, I know I’d rather go the new stadium route, all
Things considered financially.
By now, I am in favour of a new stadium. They ran down OT so badly
So the new stadium would be exactly the same size as the old one and the second one would be just slightly too small to accommodate a regulation pitch, and with no room for spectators?
Something tells me the diagram is not to size……
(2nd stadium is for academy if i remember correctly)
I'm stating the bleeding obvious. What's your point?
You are stating an opinion based on nothing at all, pointless.
Definitely a new one. Old Trafford has nostalgia feel but it's ultimately an old stadium that would be very expensive to renovate/rebuild. It's going to be much more cost efficient to just build a new one and repurpose the area around current stadium.
I imagine we would go for 85-90k range, or even closer to current capacity. I doubt we would go for anything above current Wembley capacity.
Barcelona are going for 105k though so there's a chance.
nothing? Have you seen our finacial statements?
i think that staying around current capacity does not make sense. Im no expert but i guess that cost of a 90k seater and 110k would be in fact simmilar. High capacity would attract other events.
Alternatively: I've been quite vocal in support of a new stadium precisely because I've been there so much. I used to work there and one day they literally gave me the keys to the place and permission to explore. You wouldn't believe how many of the hospitality areas and function rooms looked like the community centre halls I remember attending wedding receptions and birthday parties at in the 80s. And, yes, most regular match day supporters will never see these areas, but they are where the club makes the most money, so it's important to them that they are modern and well appointed.
Also, I've watched matches from almost every part of the ground, and there are some parts where the view is atrocious and the atmosphere non-existent because you are physically cut off from other sections of our support. Refurbishing would not fix the inherent issues with the site and footprint of the stadium, it wouldn't fix the problems caused by the piecemeal fashion in which it's been rebuilt continually in different ways between the mid 60s to 2005 and it won't increase the amount of physical space each supporter needs without drastically reducing capacity. And on top of that, it would likely cost more to refurbish than start from scratch.
Yes, it would be sad to move ground, but if it's a case of moving 100m or so away, I think it's something that has to happen for the club to progress, and it's something that almost every ambitious club needs to go through at some point in time.
Not sure how much demand there is in Manchester for that level of capacity, outside of football games. Of course we need to ensure that the new arena will be fitted properly for other events such as concerts, shows, but I doubt there'd be as much interest in that as there'll be in places like London.
Manchester has the two of the biggest indoor arenas in Europe. The second largest is being constructed next-door to City's ground whereas the other which is in the top 5 is being expanded. There's huge potential.
Every building old or new has a forever cycle of fixing and repairs!!
Probably increasing construction costs and a decrease in capacity makes a new build more viable.
When you say almost every ambitious club needs to go through this at some point in time, which of the ambitious clubs are excluding in the ‘almost’? Is it those that have already got a stadium that holds 75,000? These ambitious clubs that have built new stadiums still haven’t got the capacity of OT so why would we need to rebuild to be ambitious if we already have the largest capacity ground in the premier league?
A major renovation yes but I just don't see the club demolishing the stadium any time soon, certainly not in our lifetimes.
The club had the money for a new build in the 90's and 00's but always chose to just redevelop and expand. The club went a similar route at every opportunity over the last 100 years. The only thing that might have changed that strategy was middle eastern ownership.
I understand that, but you’re potentially starting at a much lower point, so you’re forever playing catch up to keep the building in line with modern buildings. Hence making it harder and more expensive to maintain than just starting scratch
Tell that to Real Madrid and Barcelona. They aren't demolishing their stadiums either.
I wouldn't take this too accurately there is space to build the enormodome that people want, the land goes back and the railway lines nearest the site of the new stadium in the diagram are part of the cargo yard and eventually become the old discontinued Trafford Park lines, the active train line veers more to the left you can build close to the canal and have access to stadium via bridges which is similar to the current set up. Geographically speaking it can happen, the question is what sort of contract do the people that currently use the land behind the stadium have and can we move them easily, I'd imagine we can buy them out.
Like I said before, they haven’t let their stadiums rot beyond repair for 17+ years. They may be old, Camp Nou for example, but the buildings have been looked after well & we have Madrid, who have a better base line to modernise it because it doesn’t need a ton of up keep to get it to that point where they can modernise it.
Bit rude, there's not many people posting on here that truly know the stadium i worked there (and many other stadiums) and know its inner workings however i don't claim to have total insight as i stopped going to games a long time ago so when someone that attends games regularly, such as @Dan_F I'd value their opinion.Faults exaggerated
Where’s your club audit documentation? How exactly are they exaggerated? Didn’t know you were allowed into every section of the club! Please tell us more
Yeah, when was the last time the Nou Camp had a major renovation or expansion?
I'll save you the Google, it was 1994.
The Bernabeu also seen it's last major expansion in 1994 and a minor expansion in 2011.
I'm on the limb on this because the Glazers and Ineos have more pressing priorities like returning the sporting side to the level it needs to be.
I think a bit of remodeling, repairing and few upgrades here and there are in need, but them going guns blazing on a huge investment would probably mean less investment in the team which we all know is 100% not beneficial at the moment.
Also, they need to find a way to do it without banks and financing, otherwise this god damn club will never go out of debt.
I think a bit of remodeling, repairing and few upgrades here and there are in need, but them going guns blazing on a huge investment would probably mean less investment in the team which we all know is 100% not beneficial at the moment.
Also, they need to find a way to do it without banks and financing, otherwise this god damn club will never go out of debt.
It's being virtually rebuilt. They've knocked the third tier down and hsve completely refurbished the bottom two's structure.
I don't believe that it is mate. They are keeping most of the current structure of the building.
I've seen construction pics, the original two tiers are just bears bones, Steve. I'll have a mooch around for you.
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Pardon? I’m just talking about the general consensus that is discussed frequently amongst fans. Especially oppo fans and pundits like TalkSPORT, for example that OT is falling down because it had a leak once.Faults exaggerated
Where’s your club audit documentation? How exactly are they exaggerated? Didn’t know you were allowed into every section of the club! Please tell us more
As far as I’m aware, you don’t have access to any audit documentation either, such a weird tone to take.