I'm not sure how anyone thinks we could possibly get a much better deal than this to be honest.
Look at Maguire and McTominay, EtH does not permanently oust players. He's accommodated Sancho before, Sancho is the main problem here.
Does he work at Utd?
He claimed so before, but was very careful not to be specific.
They were roughly around the same fee but at least Antony tries and puts in a shift even if he’s nowhere near the level he should be for that fee, Sancho is paid £350K a week and had 3 months off fully paid after not bothering and bothered less once he returned so Sancho is worse than Antony.
Sanchez cost a lot in wages but was effectively a free transfer and Falcao was a year loan, neither worked out and were mistakes but not on the level of a £75 million transfer fee and £350K a week wages to not bother and massively shirk any responsibility in training or on the pitch or in regard to club hierarchy.
If a 23 year old is ready to sit on his contract for 3 years and miss out on developing his career, then so be it.
You could get away with this years ago. Players are too valuable now. If we assume a reduced value of say £30 mill. What company wants an asset of that value depreciating?
There’s a lot more than Dortmund laughing at us
Yeah, but they also wasted a lot of money on rubbish forwards since Sancho has left them.
That 30m is nothing compared to the message that we'd be sending out of we make things easy for him. Get a big contract, half arse it on the pitch, party off it, disrespect the manager and United will let you off easily. Do you think he will really want to sit it out for three years?
It's not like we haven't lost 30 million in other transfers. With Greenwood, a 50 million worth asset (at the minimum) lost almost all his value. With Antony, we'll be losing more than 30 million for sure. But the aim is to set standards for the culture we want at the club. When we inevitably would want to get rid of Antony, who would want to pay a transfer fee for him? Wouldn't every club prefer a loan deal when they're paying half the wages? If it works out for them, they'll then initiate a permanent transfer otherwise the player gets stuck with us again. We have to act in the present and take some hits before the message is set out to both the players and the buying clubs. Not that I'm hopeful that the club has the balls to take such a stand.
He didn't complain but he could. You're contractually obliged to provide him with professional training opportunity. Make of it what you want, but legally he has a stronger case than you.
Flushing €60m down the toilet to prove a point?
The reserves are absolutely training on a professional level, so as long as he trains with them he hasn't got a legal case against that.
He had done several months already and not kicked up a fuss. Honestly don't think he would be arsed.
We've wasted hundreds of millions on terrible transfers over the years. What's another £30m?
But at least he goes out his way to talk to the staff, apparently.
I'm not so sure about that. You can argue that reserves and youth don't possess the quality to challenge a professional footballer as much as is required to stay sharp. And I don't think any court would agree that Sancho making use of his freedom of speech in no insulting fashion would justify depriving him of a professional training environment.
Somebody's already getting nervous
Nice guy, etc etc.
or as Keano says "great lad?"
Jet Fuel > Steel
It’s not a solution. It’s a pipe dream.
I think if Sancho performs well in Dortmund, we'd consider that offer. But it seems unlikely Wirtz moves clubs in 2024 and if he does, he'll surely stay away from United as he's planning his career very wisely so far.
Haha, absolutely not. I'd love for him to go and bang them in from all angles until he is sold... As long as he never plays for United again!!Somebody's already getting nervous
People have been decrying United's ability to attract the most in-demand players since Fergie left. Last summer we signed Casemiro, Mount (who Chelsea, Arsenal, and Liverpool wanted), and Martinez (who Arsenal wanted). The year before Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho. I'm sure we'll be fine.
Ok. But honestly, I wouldn’t be sure at all.
Yeah, we usually do it by paying them a shitton of money over the competion.
Winston Bogarde was training and playing with Reserve for years.I'm not so sure about that. You can argue that reserves and youth don't possess the quality to challenge a professional footballer as much as is required to stay sharp. And I don't think any court would agree that Sancho making use of his freedom of speech in no insulting fashion would justify depriving him of a professional training environment.
Somebody's already getting nervous
I don't think there are many we couldn't attract still, mostly now because the European leagues are so weak that there's still not that many clubs above us. Players also must make so much from social media when they join the club, it's a bit of a longer term investment as well (this, in part, is probably a big issue with the players we attract - who want the payday before they want to win things).
You should stay away from the most in-demand players in your very own interest for the time being. Why would a top talent join you? Your examples are actually deterrants for high profile players. The only reason they'd pick you is the unreal amount of money you can throw at them. Sure, that'll always be enough to convince some but then you shouldn't be surprised when your squad consists of mercenaries who don't care about the club.
No plaintiff, no judge
At least here in Germany, reserves/youth is not enough.