Amad could end up being seen as a better player than him by the summer.
Michael Olise
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There’s nothing wrong without scouting team, the men at the top just didn’t listen to them.
I’d be shocked if our new team weren’t preparing for day one for many weeks if not months now.
Feck this. I don't want to see any large-money signings (which this clearly will be) from EPL teams, especially for attackers.
Play Garnacho, Amad, Pellistri, Hojlund. Buy a cheap senior striker from Europe, who is ok being Hojlund's backup and only buy somebody expensive if we can sell Rashford for at least 60 mil. Otherwise, use the ones we already have or start selling them for some reasonable money
We are probably going to make zero money off Sancho. I don't believe we can even sell Rashford. Who the feck is going to buy Antony? We cannot afford another possibly deadwood forward on big transfer and big salary. We have no money for this bullshit
Play Garnacho, Amad, Pellistri, Hojlund. Buy a cheap senior striker from Europe, who is ok being Hojlund's backup and only buy somebody expensive if we can sell Rashford for at least 60 mil. Otherwise, use the ones we already have or start selling them for some reasonable money
We are probably going to make zero money off Sancho. I don't believe we can even sell Rashford. Who the feck is going to buy Antony? We cannot afford another possibly deadwood forward on big transfer and big salary. We have no money for this bullshit
Nobody is perfect, my hesitation with him would be pace (not slow but not that fast) but he's a much better player than Antony anyway and not a selfish player, proper wide player. Could develop something like Mahrez?
For my wide players I really think pace should be vital, but it always depends on who can we actually get.
For my wide players I really think pace should be vital, but it always depends on who can we actually get.
Him or Bowen ? Olise is a better dribbler but Bowen is a better goal scorer. Olise is younger too.
I would be happy with either of them.
I would be happy with either of them.
Wow
Rashford going nowhere and neither is Antony.
I’m sure the Antony of Ajax will return, in due course I think the squad will get better, especially since Sir Jim has started work.
All depends if EtH goes or not, still think he’ll come good eventually.
I think they are going nowhere mostly because nobody will pay much for them, but either way - if we are keeping them we have no money and no space signing any new wingers
I could end up winning the Euromillions by the summer.
There’s no indication of one such thing happening. Olise has been performing at this level for a while - Amad, as much as I like him - has one/couple sub appearances?
That’s an awful analogy. There’s plenty of indication, he’s a very gifted player.
I mean he has been on loan for 2 years and injured for most of the season
Can't wait till we over pay and he looks useless 
I honestly think we'd turn Mbappe into a donkey.
I honestly think we'd turn Mbappe into a donkey.
I've seen glimpses from him bit I'm just not convinced he has 'it'. He's not overly consistent, even over the course of 90 minutes. Fairly skilful and decent at dribbling and creating, but I wouldn't say he is amazing at either. He's also not full of pace. There is potential though, and I've not seen him play recently so he may have tightened things up in his game a bit.
The RW market is really poor at the moment though and he's preforming to a decent level already in the PL.
I'd like to get a better look at Antony and Amad under a better coach before I decided to buy another RW. As much stick as Antony gets I do think there's something there to work with, but I'd use him a bit differently than Ten Hag.
The RW market is really poor at the moment though and he's preforming to a decent level already in the PL.
I'd like to get a better look at Antony and Amad under a better coach before I decided to buy another RW. As much stick as Antony gets I do think there's something there to work with, but I'd use him a bit differently than Ten Hag.
There are plenty of talented players that don’t make it? I don’t think I argued against Amad being talented, in fact I said I like him. There’s however no indication that he’ll become a better player than Olise - let alone by the summer. Sure, he could - but I reckon I could also win Euromillions if we’re just saying things that could happen.
I’m aware. Great season on loan last year too. How does this change anything in the context of the conversation I’m having?
I said Olise would improve our right side exponentially and was told Amad could end up being seen as a better player by summer
Any realistic chance of this happening?? He looks really good whenever I've seen him..
Would go for Olise out of those two. I think Bowen is on fire at the moment, but Olise perhaps has the higher ceiling. May be wrong, of course.
There is indication he’ll become a better player. His passing and technique is arguably better already, he just has to show it in a utd shirt through the second half of the season. Hence why he could be seen as a better player once he gets that opportunity.
What’s his attitude and professionalism like? We don’t need another tool-downer
I'm largely in agreement, though I don't think we need a different look at Antony.
I'll have to watch Palace more closely but my impression of Olise is that he's definitely better than Antony and is currently better than Amad but I'm not sure he makes a transformative impact to our team or right hand side. Maybe such a player doesn't exist but we need to be careful about buying expensive upgrades that don't make a big difference. I might not have paid enough attention to him but I prefer Eze (albeit different position) as a player that is more ready to transition to a top team than Olise.
It all really depends on how much the release clause is and if we can sell Antony.
What has you concerned that Olise may fall into this bracket?
I disagree with the premise/all notions involved in this post. Amad hasn’t shown nor produced anything at this level to justify the assertion that there’s an indication he’ll become a better player. This is just United fan/confirmation bias. Again, Olise has actually done stuff at this level, for a while. Amad has maybe a couple sub appearances?! His passing and technique being better is baseless - Amad doesn’t have the catalogue to justify those statements - outside of you potentially preferring him aesthetically.
He does have quite an unusual demeanour about him.
It’s a bit mental how many posters on here don’t seem to realise this. Sure, ETH wanted them and ultimately signed off on it, but if it’s between overpaying for a player or not getting anyone due to the incompetence at senior management level, then you have to go for it.
ETH isn’t perfect by any means, but this isn’t something he should get slated for.
I'm expecting Amad to make the right flank his with a run of games, with Antony as cover. So I don't see this deal happening even in the future. I only see us dipping in the market for a winger at the price Olise would costcif its a two flank player like Pedro Neto.
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Well you’re both wrong because it’s Matt Hargreaves is the clubs transfer negotiator (brought in to replace Judge). You both even said it with your CHESTS. As if you had any idea on what the back room staff at United actually do! Not that I know any better but I do know it’s not Murtough doing the negotiation.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...-united-transfer-news-hargreaves-27740832.amp
https://theathletic.com/4320321/202...greaves-transfers/?source=user_shared_article
You’re showcasing a lack of foresight if you think there’s no indication he could become a better player. If he produces the performances for us like he did for Sunderland then people will be raving about him, his reputation will blow up and you’ll be licking it up like the rest of us.
The question is whether he can produce it in the PL. His technique was never in doubt but his physicality was, he’s now shown he can do it in a league as physically tough as the champ, I think it’s fair to say it’s more likely than not he will be able to.
Apparently CP discovered that we found out about the release clause from the player, showing the club had direct contact with him.
At a club like United wages and fees shouldn't matter if the talent ID is spot on because we, alongside Real Madrid, are the best at monetizing football success. Look at the shirt deals we are pulling in despite a decade of decline and underachievement.
The way it goes at United, which is why we are now suffering, is that if a manager says this player will help and he wants him the the Glazers usually authorise whatever it takes to bring him in. The problem is that the managers haven't known the right players and this systematic weakness has killed us.
I mean, I did say I like Amad and I think he’s a talented player. Don’t think I contested or said otherwise. You’re within your rights to think I’m lacking in foresight. I know that championship to PL is a major step-up. Many a player can’t make that jump and reproduce their form. I reserve the right not to say/think a player that’s shown form in the championship is going to end up better than a player that’s been showing form in the prem going on 3 seasons now - let alone by the summer, and especially when there’s only like 6 months gap in between their ages (Amad is 21, Olise is 22). It’s not like Olise can’t go up a few levels either.
As it stands - Olise would improve our right side exponentially, so I welcome this potential transfer. If Amad ends up good as well that’s only good news for us.
So basically we should never attemp to make another signing again becuase it hasn't worked out before? Olise is a fine young player and given we'll be lacking options once Sancho leaves on loan, it makes sense to bring another player in to replace him.
If he wasn't involved in negotiations then what was Murtough doing flying over to Spain in the summer of 2022 during the De Jong negotiations, and then travelling to Italy during the Rabiot negotiations? Did he just fancy a tan?
Anyway, I was responding to a poster who criticised Ten Hag for overpaying on the transfer fees and wages. The manager doesn't hold that responsibility at any PL football club, so it's just a lazy stick to beat Ten Hag with.
Not never, but yes - we should not do it until we get the house in order and specifically our finances in order. And it isn't a choice, it's called FFP rules, they are mandatory
Is he not? I need to watch a highlights video of him to be honest, I've not seen much of him outside of that wonder goal earlier in the season and the occasional match of the day.
He'd be a Sir Alex signing. No brainer for me, very creative, dangerous at set pieces and now adding goals to his game. Given how young he is, he's got very impressive stats.
What we need from the RW is a player with enough pace and skill to consistently beat his man. Neither Antony or Sancho are able to do this. I don't think Amad is either but he has earned the right to prove otherwise. I haven't seen that much of Olise but he doesn't strike me as particularly fast. Actually, he seems to prefer the same as Antony - cutting in and shooting with his left every time. Perhaps someone who has followed him closer can correct me if I'm wrong?
INEOS has yet to buy their minority stake let alone hire their own people. So I see an either or situation here
a- this is BS either by the media or by those whose job is on the line. They'll probably feel the end is coming and would want to show the world how good they are in the job by suggesting good signings
b--INEOS is already working behind the scenes and some ahole is already leaking their plans
a- this is BS either by the media or by those whose job is on the line. They'll probably feel the end is coming and would want to show the world how good they are in the job by suggesting good signings
b--INEOS is already working behind the scenes and some ahole is already leaking their plans
He's better than any of our other options on the right but not so much better that we should spunk 100 mil on him. Agree a sensible fee or move on.
You also thought Van de Beek was better than Bruno.
I'd leave the talent recognition ability to others.
After the success of Evans, rather than looking to Amad, it’s worth considering that Nani has two goals in eight in the Turkish Super lig
A) They have bought their shares it just needs to be signed off by the Prem.
B) It was widely reported that INEOS require sign off of any January signings
So I would hazard a guess that this is true
What is he like off the ball, does he work hard and track back, is he a player that's only helping when the ball is at his feet? These are important questions or he could easily be another Sancho and Martial. He gives me the same vibe as I get from those two.
He also seems more of a natural fit in the No.10 role to me, don't really see him being a RW at the top level.
He also seems more of a natural fit in the No.10 role to me, don't really see him being a RW at the top level.