Israel-Palestine | Genocide in Gaza

Roane said:
I agree with most of what you have said in all the above posts. And I respond to you with wider points because it's no point addressing the other fella.

However I don't believe using Zionism is lazy.
I'm Muslim. Within Islam there are certain ideologies that arise. Not all are as Islamic as they claim to be. But that's a wider argument. The point is to be against that specific ideology isn't lazy and not all encompassing.

So someone may hate the shia ideology. That isn't hating all Muslims. Just as an example.

Zionism is by definition and by it's very nature a specific ideology. It has certain beliefs and claims that even all Jews don't agree with.

Anti Zionism being anti semitism is like like anti Al qaida or anti ISIS is Islamophobia.
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I'd say interpretations and it happens with every religion.

Not sure what you're getting at. If Shia is an ideology, so is Sunna. I personally find your analogy a bit wonky to say the least. I personally see Sunna and Shia as two different interpretations of the same religious source. A bit like Catholics and Protestants. Hating Shia believers makes you a biggoted asshole and anti-muslim, because Shiites are muslims. The same goes for hating Sunnis. Or Jews. Or Christians. Or Buddhists. Or Atheists. You get the gist of it.

You also can't compare Zionism with Shia. Shia is an islamic religious belief. Zionism is a nationalist ideology born out of the prevalent antisemitism and mass persecutions in Europe.
 
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gfactor86 said:
so what's the solution?
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Kill palestinians. Once all dead, there is no anti zionism as there is no oppositions to a whole Israel state. everybody (alive) wins and we can build the 3 salomon temple, bring the messiah and start the apocalipsis
 
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kaku06 said:
I’m appalled beyond belief at this point what’s unfolding right in front of us. Never ever I imagined civilians in tens of thousands would be brutalised, massacred like this. Men, women, kids, elderly no one is spared. What’s their fault? How can anyone recover from this even if they survive? It’s a purge, a bloodbath, a genocide of Palestinians and the countries that can do something are watching this with ease. Evil governments evil people. Civilised my arse. It’s a failed world. Any faction that arises in the future is the direct result of this genocide. And could you blame them?
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This has been the perpetual state of Palestine/Israel mainly resulting from the US/UKs foreign policy of not recognising a Palestinian state and giving Israel free reign to do whatever they want with no limits. The problem is whenever a Hamas attack on Israel happens the West and Western media like to portray it as if it came out of nowhere comparing it to 9/11 etc... There's a reason there is a deep hate for Israel within the Palestinian community and after this if Israel do get rid of Hamas, as long as Palestine don't get their state and get officially recognised (something Bibi is trying hard to avoid) Israel have pretty much created a Hamas 2 with these attacks.
 


Didn't post it yesterday because wasn't sure of the source but now both the Washington Post and WSJ are reporting it.
 
Idxomer said:


Didn't post it yesterday because wasn't sure of the source but now both the Washington Post and WSJ are reporting it.
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preparing the next phase of ethnic cleansing . They will evacuate Gaza and never allowed to return. I hope it happens to safe as many lives possible. But is ethnic cleansing and no one can deny it
 
Fairly obvious what Israel are doing, and thanks to international relations very little is being done about it. USA have completely failed and other western countries are generally falling in line afraid to say something that will result in problems.
 
kaku06 said:
I’m appalled beyond belief at this point what’s unfolding right in front of us. Never ever I imagined civilians in tens of thousands would be brutalised, massacred like this. Men, women, kids, elderly no one is spared. What’s their fault? How can anyone recover from this even if they survive? It’s a purge, a bloodbath, a genocide of Palestinians and the countries that can do something are watching this with ease. Evil governments evil people. Civilised my arse. It’s a failed world. Any faction that arises in the future is the direct result of this genocide. And could you blame them?
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Hard to disagree. I am appalled by what's being done. Shame on those responsible.
 
That_Bloke said:
I'd say interpretations and it happens with every religion.

Not sure what you're getting at. If Shia is an ideology, so is Sunna. I personally find your analogy a bit wonky to say the least. I personally see Sunna and Shia as two different interpretations of the same religious source. A bit like Catholics and Protestants. Hating Shia believers makes you a biggoted asshole and anti-muslim, because Shiites are muslims. The same goes for hating Sunnis. Or Jews. Or Christians. Or Buddhists. Or Atheists. You get the gist of it.

You also can't compare Zionism with Shia. Shia is an islamic religious belief. Zionism is a nationalist ideology born out of the prevalent antisemitism and mass persecutions in Europe.
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I should have been more clear. I wasn't comparing Shia with Zionism. I just gave a, lazy maybe, example. As the Shia and Sunni are what most people are aware of. It was just an example but I should have been clearer.
 
4bars said:
preparing the next phase of ethnic cleansing . They will evacuate Gaza and never allowed to return. I hope it happens to safe as many lives possible. But is ethnic cleansing and no one can deny it
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Palestinians will carry out attacks from there giving the Israelis an excuse to extend their security apparatus into the sinai again, it will be like they never left.
 
BarstoolProphet said:
It's almost like it was written by The Onion.
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This bit is hilarious:

Ben Gvir used the opportunity to promote his efforts to make it easier for civilians to get a gun license, stressing "weapons save lives."
 
maniak said:
You did, by suggesting a ruling from a court is all that matters. We all know he did it, yet he was walked free. So using your logic he must be innocent.

You can use all the deflections you want but everyone and their dog know it's only a matter a time before this is officially and widely considered a genocide. You and israel are just hoping that happens after the genocide is actually complete and they get all the land they want.
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Outside of warped pro Israeli circles I think we're pretty much already there on the widely considered part.
 


I think this interview will cause some storm in the media. Specifically the bit about Hamas.
 
Incredible that most of the propaganda by the zionist regime is to justify starving and murdering children.

You would think that should give its supporters a pause but no.
 
Giggsyking said:
I think they rejected it because they already in two days time are going to decide on the existing measures.
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Different case.

They declined because the initial measures should be enough to stop the killing. They are also another useless UN organization playing politics and doesn't care much for human loss.

 
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