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Agree. Otherwise the cycle will just continue (scrape points playing poorly —> everyone starts thinking we are back and ETH is the messiah—> We regress to the mean and get embarrassed by a few teams where variance doesn’t fall our way)You can get away with it in bits and pieces but there's no such thing as playing badly and consistently winning.
Now I don't expect us to set the world alight but the basics can't collapse like they have in the past.
Is that what we've been doing? Proactive attacking football?
Agree completely. The “pressure” everyone always talks about mainly comes from the media, because most fans are VERY patient with both players and managers (too patient in my opinion) and the club/Glazers have been. as you’ve said, satisfied with mediocrity as long as you manage to scrape Top 4. We are easily the least cutthroat club in the world for managers and players.That's not an endorsement. He understands the difficulties, but is also not satisfied with the performance. He's making a point not to commit. He's promising and intense, driven environment where performance is paramount, so if Ten Haag doesn't meet the performance remit in short order, he'll be out.
For me, that more than anything is what we've been missing. Supervision, intensity and consequence. My take on this is, as much as people call it a tough job, it's been quite easy for coaches and players. Managers don't get supervised or assessed, players get to stay even when they have terrible seasons. So having a more massive focus on what's going on on the field from senior management, will allow for greater attention to detail to occur on the playing side. If you don't think you're getting sacked and have at least 2 guaranteed seasons, some managers won't have the urgency to succeed and may be too reckless in transfers and tactics. For example, Van Gaal in 2015 risked half a season playing the 352, which he had not used at club level, resulting in poor football. He used youth players and sacrificed a potential title challenge by playing youth and selling some of our better players.
Who knows.Yes thats why its conflicting. 3 years seems about right if you are starting from scratch but Ten Haag is going 2 years and after summer spending could be 600 mill plus. Thats indicates he should be challenging next year. For Sir Jim to say 3 that would mean a new manager? Or are we saying ETH is now starting from scratch with new structure
This is how I read it, however, I do think if he gets us top 4 I’d be surprised if he wasn’t given the start of next season to impress.Yeah people here are misquoting Ratcliffe. He said 3 years for the club. Not that Ten Haag has 3 years. The manager is just a piece now, so he has to fit the playing style the club wants. He didn't sound impressed by Ten Haag in that interview, just simply sympathetic in the same way he was with Greenwood.
Those are some of the most nervous hehs ive seen in quite awhileQuite a remarkable exchange between Ducker and ETH beginning at 6:53 . ETH clearly uncomfortable having to explain his summer transfer logic.
This published shortly after - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...jlund-injury-man-utd-injury-problems-ten-hag/
Ducker out of line here. I think ETH politely defended himself and Ducker continued to antagonize him.Quite a remarkable exchange between Ducker and ETH beginning at 6:53 . ETH clearly uncomfortable having to explain his summer transfer logic.
This published shortly after - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...jlund-injury-man-utd-injury-problems-ten-hag/
How is he out of line? I wish managers are grilled more like this.Ducker out of line here. I think ETH politely defended himself and Ducker continued to antagonize him.
You are football manager heh. It’s easy heh. When you money heh…..FFP heh heh.Those are some of the most nervous hehs ive seen in quite awhile
It was a legit question, but he didn’t need to monopolize the rest of the time with argumentative follow ups belaboring the initial point.How is he out of line? I wish managers are grilled more like this.
The question he asked was legitimate, going into a season with a teenager as your most workable striker is not smart.
It's not just on Ten hag, it goes to show the incompetence at our club.
It also calls into question the Mount transfer, we haven't missed him since his injury but we now don't have a serviceable striker.
I will be glad when this manager doesn't control our transfer business ever again
That was uncalled for. These journos are attacking ETH like he and he alone made those decisions.Quite a remarkable exchange between Ducker and ETH beginning at 6:53 . ETH clearly uncomfortable having to explain his summer transfer logic.
This published shortly after - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...jlund-injury-man-utd-injury-problems-ten-hag/
I think the journo doubled down because ten hag got defensive and called the guy naive.That was uncalled for. These journos are attacking ETH like he and he alone made those decisions.
Likewise, ETH is known to hold the opinion that the team play better when Martial is available. He has said this numerous times in previous interviews. So losing Martial would’ve meant having to buy another striker, of which there weren’t many United quality ones to choose from given FFP. He almost certainly also went into last summer believing Greenwood would be available to him this season, which further factored into his logic of buying only Hojlund.I think the journo doubled down because ten hag got defensive and called the guy naive.
Going into a season counting on Martial is more naive.
Our summer decisions are indefensible but unfortunately ten hag is the only one they get to grill
To count on Martial who played 28 games the season before wasn't smart.Likewise, ETH is known to hold the opinion that the team play better when Martial is available. He has said this numerous times in previous interviews. So losing Martial would’ve meant having to buy another striker, of which there weren’t many United quality ones to choose from given FFP. He almost certainly also went into last summer believing Greenwood would be available to him this season, which further factored into his logic of buying only Hojlund.
Yeah it’s ridiculous. Does anyone really think that wanted to rely on Martial this season?That was uncalled for. These journos are attacking ETH like he and he alone made those decisions.
He asked a legit question and ETH answered it. He said he had Martial and Rashford, so 3 striker options. That's a fair response. Ducker ignored it and continued with the same question.How is he out of line? I wish managers are grilled more like this.
The question he asked was legitimate, going into a season with a teenager as your most workable striker is not smart.
It's not just on Ten hag, it goes to show the incompetence at our club.
It also calls into question the Mount transfer, we haven't missed him since his injury but we now don't have a serviceable striker.
I will be glad when this manager doesn't control our transfer business ever again
He's a twat.Quite a remarkable exchange between Ducker and ETH beginning at 6:53 . ETH clearly uncomfortable having to explain his summer transfer logic.
This published shortly after - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...jlund-injury-man-utd-injury-problems-ten-hag/
Who is buying Martial last summer and how much are they paying?I think the journo doubled down because ten hag got defensive and called the guy naive.
Going into a season counting on Martial is more naive.
Our summer decisions are indefensible but unfortunately ten hag is the only one they get to grill
Not to mention Martial is on 250k/wk, which wasn't something most clubs would be interested in given his injury record and general and diminishing returns in recent years.Who is buying Martial last summer and how much are they paying?
Who can you bring in that is good enough, affordable and willing to share playing time with a new £80m striker?
There are a million other questions about practicalities of what Ducker is saying that do make it naive, without insider info about options and availability of transfer targets that were willing to join for the sums paid for so called lower priority positions (which itself is subjective)
The squad balance is all over the place and clearing deadwood is hard due to how much we pay and how poorly people are performing, it's going to take years to fix and there will be gaps in the squad until it does (if it does)
Those are some of the most nervous hehs ive seen in quite awhile
Yeah, Ducker was engaging in pub talk. Pretty embarrassing for him to be honest and can see why he lost his head when called out.Not to mention Martial is on 250k/wk, which wasn't something most clubs would be interested in given his injury record and general and diminishing returns in recent years.
He did say ‘tried’ to do to be fair. Now it’s about him showing he can coach it.Is that what we've been doing? Proactive attacking football?
Please lord don't let that guy have influence on another transfer window for us. Not even a single playerQuite a remarkable exchange between Ducker and ETH beginning at 6:53 . ETH clearly uncomfortable having to explain his summer transfer logic.
This published shortly after - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...jlund-injury-man-utd-injury-problems-ten-hag/
That’s why we’re bringing in people and having a new structure. We’re getting the best people around to sort this mess out. Ratcliffe said himself it won’t just happen straight away. There’s a 3 year plan.Who is buying Martial last summer and how much are they paying?
Who can you bring in that is good enough, affordable and willing to share playing time with a new £80m striker?
There are a million other questions about practicalities of what Ducker is saying that do make it naive, without insider info about options and availability of transfer targets that were willing to join for the sums paid for so called lower priority positions (which itself is subjective)
The squad balance is all over the place and clearing deadwood is hard due to how much we pay and how poorly people are performing, it's going to take years to fix and there will be gaps in the squad until it does (if it does)
I posted a thread about this months ago and not many were in agreement with it. But truth be told, this sqaud is 2-3 years from challenging for big trophies and being at the stage where minor adjustments to the squad (1-3 players per year) are required to maintain that level.That’s why we’re bringing in people and having a new structure. We’re getting the best people around to sort this mess out. Ratcliffe said himself it won’t just happen straight away. There’s a 3 year plan.
I think this is what most of folks defending Ten Hag have been saying, a lot of his detractors on here have no alternative suggestions beyond throwing managers at the problem.Tweet
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Agree. I don't necessarily disagree with some of the things being said but his tone was definitely off. I'm surprised a press officer didn't step in at any point because the way Ducker was speaking was extremely disrespectful and he didn't deserve the amount of time he got.Ducker out of line here. I think ETH politely defended himself and Ducker continued to antagonize him.