Pickle85
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That US government actors indiscriminately spree killed citizens on home soil? Where?Is not. In some of these cases is actually proven officially
That US government actors indiscriminately spree killed citizens on home soil? Where?Is not. In some of these cases is actually proven officially
No doubt, but I wouldn't be surprised if some elements of the domestic US intelligence apparatus had its hands in that tragedy.The MLK assassination would be a pretty different conversation though, wouldn't it? Taking one, carefully chosen target out vs indiscriminate civilian casualties.
And number one the most likely.Given past history and ongoing events, the options are:
- False flag (a replay of the 99 apartment bombings)
- Rogue Chechans (obviously not controlled by Kadyrov)
- Rogue Russians displeased with life under Putin
- Russian, anti Ukraine war mercenaries such as those recently making cross border incursions (the unlikeliest of options)
Fred Hampton comes to mindThat US government actors indiscriminately spree killed citizens on home soil? Where?
Missing Syrians, Georgians, ISIS, probably a few others.Given past history and ongoing events, the options are:
- False flag (a replay of the 99 apartment bombings)
- Rogue Chechans (obviously not controlled by Kadyrov)
- Rogue Russians displeased with life under Putin
- Russian, anti Ukraine war mercenaries such as those recently making cross border incursions (the unlikeliest of options)
Yeah, it's really an entirely different situation. You know that's not even close to what 'false flag' is right?Fred Hampton comes to mind
Oh Lord...The US were one signature, JF Kennedy, away from running a false flag attack on it's civilians and blaming it on Cuba to create public support for an invasion. But saying 9-11 was an inside job would be called ridiculous by those same people saying this is a false flag attack.
Let's wait for more information to come.
I think that they framed the black panthers at the beginning? But I will agree with you that are different situations, different age, different reasons but the government lying in an attack that killed people (and the people referenced in the quote that I quoted)Yeah, it's really an entirely different situation. You know that's not even close to what 'false flag' is right?
Fair play, I'm taking things off track too... apologies!I think that they framed the black panthers at the beginning? But I will agree with you that are different situations, different age, different reasons but the government lying in an attack that killed people (and the people referenced in the quote that I quoted)
I might be wrong though. I will leave it like this to not derail.
ISIS (Afghanistan's) is an option too, at least according to Christo Grozev. Although it's too early to tell.Given past history and ongoing events, the options are:
- False flag (a replay of the 99 apartment bombings)
- Rogue Chechans (obviously not controlled by Kadyrov)
- Rogue Russians displeased with life under Putin
- Russian, anti Ukraine war mercenaries such as those recently making cross border incursions (the unlikeliest of options)
What argument do you have to support that?And number one the most likely.
Where would the possibility that it is about military/Wagner veterans struggling with mental health issues fit in this? I mean we know that the department of veteran affairs (VA) is not exactly top notch in Russia and we already saw a ton of bad things happening with vets in the US despite huge investments into the VA.Given past history and ongoing events, the options are:
- False flag (a replay of the 99 apartment bombings)
- Rogue Chechans (obviously not controlled by Kadyrov)
- Rogue Russians displeased with life under Putin
- Russian, anti Ukraine war mercenaries such as those recently making cross border incursions (the unlikeliest of options)
You'd be surprised.The authors have hostages and they will end being killed. If that is the case, my logic says that is not a false flag. I don't see anyone enroll for a suicide mission
Yes, I should've included Wagner mercenaries pissed about Putin killing their leader as an option as well. ISIS as @harms mentioned could also be on the list.Where would the possibility that it is about military/Wagner veterans struggling with mental health issues fit in this? I mean we know that the department of veteran affairs (VA) is not exactly top notch in Russia and we already saw a ton of bad things happening with vets in the US despite huge investments into the VA.
You don't detect sarcasm. My point is if you're using past incidences to think every attack afterwards is a false flag, then why not say it for the US and 9-11.Oh Lord...
Sure, but it goes down quite down the list IMOYou'd be surprised.
It doesn't look good of course, but neither did the previous terror attacks such as Beslan 2004, Dubrovka theater 2002, St Petersburg metro bombing in 2017. Putin's strongman image won't be affected I think.Can’t imagine this being an inside job surely? He already has a complete hold on Russia and he already has his war with Ukraine. If anything, things like this project weakness for him.
The Afghan branch of ISIS was specifically mentioned in this article from a couple of weeks ago.ISIS (Afghanistan's) is an option too, at least according to Christo Grozev. Although it's too early to tell.
Mate, this is pretty much a suicide mission. The guys who are doing that, no matter the motive behind, know that it's a one way trip.Sure, but it goes down quite down the list IMO
Please don't take this in the wrong way as I agree with your sentiment in principle but the word weakness has long become wishful thinking on our part that there will be some negative outcome for Putin. With every weak/humiliating/embarrassing act his grip on Russia appears to only get tighter.Can’t imagine this being an inside job surely? He already has a complete hold on Russia and he already has his war with Ukraine. If anything, things like this project weakness for him.
I know. But IMO is different a suicide mission for an external enemy organization that has little options than a false flag mission that can be organized in a way that a way out would existMate, this is pretty much a suicide mission. The guys who are doing that, no matter the motive behind, know that it's a one way trip.
No SWAT team in Moscow? You would expect that metropolitan police corps to have a SWAT team.Sounds like the casualties could be in the hundreds. Early reports said that it took one hour for special forces to arrive?
What do you mean?All of them escaped that level of attack? And only 1 has been caught?
Yeah that doesnt tally with any terrorist attack on this scale pretty much ever.
Reports of 5 shooters with 4 on the run/escapedWhat do you mean?
Huh? Shows how little I know.Reports of 5 shooters with 4 on the run/escaped