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Thiago Silva | Fluminense Player

WeePat

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Farewell my king.



 

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Is it widely accepted that their better players come across to Europe to earn their money and then go back to wind a career down.

of course it happens a lot and perhaps their fans are used to it

If it was reversed I think I’d be a bit pissed that Mainoo (for example) leaves for 15 years before coming back to see out his retirement…with battle scars and injuries.
 

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Is it widely accepted that their better players come across to Europe to earn their money and then go back to wind a career down.

of course it happens a lot and perhaps their fans are used to it

If it was reversed I think I’d be a bit pissed that Mainoo (for example) leaves for 15 years before coming back to see out his retirement…with battle scars and injuries.
How did you react when Ronaldo returned?
 

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How did you react when Ronaldo returned?
Close. But not quite. He left sporting for a significant fee and wasn’t quite one of our own.

I was initially excited, if not somewhat cautious given the negativity coming from some juve team mates
 

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Is it widely accepted that their better players come across to Europe to earn their money and then go back to wind a career down.

of course it happens a lot and perhaps their fans are used to it

If it was reversed I think I’d be a bit pissed that Mainoo (for example) leaves for 15 years before coming back to see out his retirement…with battle scars and injuries.
You'd begrudge someone playing at the highest level and earning ten times what you can pay them?
 

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On top of having all the talent he came to Italy as a young player and learned from Maldini and Nesta at Milan. Having them as captains and mentors shaped him for sure as he is a bit of an untypical player for a brazilian. He passed that on to Marquinhos who reminds me a lot of him and is also a calm level headed captain like him.

Top 10 CB of all time.
 

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One of the greatest centre-backs of the past decade and a half, I can understand completely why you’re sad to see him go. I feel like he was one of the few players who have been keeping you together. You’ll miss him greatly.

We should do something for Varane in the FA Cup final, and probably also Casemiro. I’d be happy if Casemiro, like Thiago Silva, also went back home to Brazil, as unfortunately he’s past it.
 

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On top of having all the talent he came to Italy as a young player and learned from Maldini and Nesta at Milan. Having them as captains and mentors shaped him for sure as he is a bit of an untypical player for a brazilian. He passed that on to Marquinhos who reminds me a lot of him and is also a calm level headed captain like him.
Who is the typical Brazilian player? Why are not Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Zé Roberto, Gilberto Silva, Lúcio, Kaká, Luisão, Naldo, Juninho, Elano, Willian, Fernandinho, Casemiro, Marcelo, Alves, Miranda, Juan, Diego, Danilo, Alexsandro, Hulk, Élber, Firmino, Filipe Luís and others typical Brazilian players? Are there some statistics backing up that the typical Brazilian player is undisciplined and unmotivated to learn?

Also, curiously, in Brazil, Thiago Silva is very criticised for being an emotionally unstable captain(I think it's a bit exaggerated).
 

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Who is the typical Brazilian player? Why are not Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Zé Roberto, Gilberto Silva, Lúcio, Kaká, Luisão, Naldo, Juninho, Elano, Willian, Fernandinho, Casemiro, Marcelo, Alves, Miranda, Juan, Diego, Danilo, Alexsandro, Hulk, Élber, Firmino, Filipe Luís and others typical Brazilian players? Are there some statistics backing up that the typical Brazilian player is undisciplined and unmotivated to learn?

Also, curiously, in Brazil, Thiago Silva is very criticised for being an emotionally unstable captain(I think it's a bit exaggerated).
Almost all of those players you listed are known for their attacking skills. Lucio was an excellent CB, but he would also more or less regularly move forward and join the attack. Silva doesn't. Being a purely defensive player in the mould of a classic Italian defender is what makes him untypical, not that he is disciplined.
 

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Almost all of those players you listed are known for their attacking skills. Lucio was an excellent CB, but he would also more or less regularly move forward and join the attack. Silva doesn't. Being a purely defensive player in the mould of a classic Italian defender is what makes him untypical, not that he is disciplined.
Must say I disagree with both assessements. I'd say about half of that list [edit - okay, a third] are primarily known for their defensive contributions (most of the center backs and defensive mids), and, on the other hand, describing TS as purely defensive misses him being one of the prime exponents of the modern playmaking center back.

Silva has outstanding technique and passing range, but has been relatively reserved in using them, in line with modern possession tactics. (Interestingly, the further you go back in his career, the more you also see him making Lucio-esque attacking runs on the ball, and more risky attacking long passes.) I see Lucio's gung ho style as more of an extreme one among Brazilian defenders, rather than the norm. Same for, say, David Luiz.
 
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