What is it that you are viewing that gives you reason to believe improvement is round the corner?
Yes but make sure you at least have replacements, say in a an highly unlikely hypothetical event that Unai Emery decided to Join United with Monchi and he then wants Rashford back, then what?The 'blame' for letting 3 players go that 95% of fans wanted gone from the club... okay then
Unreal
And who would you bring in? What formation would you want us to play?
OK I will bite, so we lose in the EL and he does get sacked, who do we bring in ? its the same squad of players, the formation cant be the only problem.
Another piss take. Indeed he had us in 14th and that‘s why he‘s gone. He would not have finished there btw, that‘s highly unlikely.
I want to be patient but he needs to earn the transfer window in the summer. It’s been a disaster and I’ve seen no progress since he’s taken over.
The only option is Xavi who won’t cost a penny but he’ll want 2 and half year contract too and we still need to pay off RA and his staff.
What’s the alternative? We’re apparently skint.
We've tried formations that suit the players and managers too, how do you think we've accumulated them?
When they can be replaced? Perfect. In the meantime we have poor Ruben with his weakened squad.
Well Xavi was available but rumours are after 3 defeats Milan are sacking their manager to put Xavi in charge within next 72 hours, that’s how big clubs act?
Our decisions in general shouldn't be made with a lens of "find a manager who suits the players" or "sign players who suit the manager". The lens should be "decide how the club wants to play and sign players and hire a manager who fit that model".
Which is why Sir Alex and Ancelotti are 1 and 2 for me.
We should start giving managers "manage to win" types of contracts. So that they have to win a certain amount of matches and if they can't, we can fire them and just try out a new manager and do the same there and again and again until it sticks. And also give current players 10 years extra on their contracts, so we can find a manager that works with this lot as well.
Not necessarily "better" - more athletic.
Poch !!!! and what has he done ? I would have him way down any list, but who would I get, to be honest I dont have a clue.
These players though? These players who got Dave Sexton the sack?
All fair points. He also claimed this team to be the worst ever. He is a rookie and I don't trust him. We have very tricky PL games coming up.
We're calling him a rookie yet I doubt most rookie managers would say the things he's said about the players.
And that's exactly what we're doing/have already done.
And mostly why they end up failing.
If this is the case the system doesn't work and should be abandoned
Remains to be seen if that's actually the case. The club leadership made all the right noises when they came in last season about the importance of a "game model", but the jury is still out on whether they stuck to that idea or they're just making it up as they go.
And who tells you that we will manage to win the thing with Allegri? There are no guarantess. I don't know for sure but this sounds exactly like the kind of mindset, the club should get rid of as soon as possible "we are Manchester United, we have some divine right to win stuff". The EL isn't some free ride, we are 14th not because of a blip, it is because we suck at multiple key aspects of modern football. No manager will take care of that in such a short time.
I agree. Thats the textbook. I think, the level should be debatable though, in the sense that the DOF (or whoever) isn't dictating everything, just the key principles, transfer strategy and short and midterm goals.
Thats great but this isn't helping. SAF and Ancelotti do great jobs with great teams. We don't have a great team where we'd could use an Ancelotti type coach who will get us over the line of finally winning stuff. Just look around, system coaches are everywhere. And one of the reason is that systems allow groups of players to achieve things that they wouldn't achieve as individuals. Obviously thats a lot to do with recruitment but not just that. If you know exactly, what kind of capabilities for example your left wingback needs you arent just boxed into thoughts like "who is the best playing this position" or "who might be the best talent in this position" but you can make use of performance data to see, which players cover enough room, make enough passes, enough successful takeons and so on.
We agree on the overall approach but I think, the bolded part is a sign of the wrong mindset. Thinking we are only a few good players short of "clicking" is what got us into this mess. Varane, Ronaldo, Varane, Antony, Sancho were bought based on this exact mindset. We have to move away from "good" and "bad" as the only ways to distinguish whether somebody is a good fit or isn't. Right now - most of our opponents are working harder, seem stronger than most of our players, show more football intelligence, show more willingness to handle the ball. Adding players that help with that can of course help the overall picture but it isn't just that, we have to integrate collective principles. We have to improve our level of organisation. Thats not just automatically done "by adding the right players".
