The motivation behind this ultimatum by Berrada to Amorim is becoming harder to fathom.
I'm not laughing. Been Following United since Bent was our right bank in the late fifties and I sill believe Dalot is the worst RB i've ever seen at United. I even remeber when we played John Fitzpatrick at right back an even he was better than Dalot
And Amorim has extracted 2 goals more since then from them.
I get you...
we’re capable of beating anyone on our day. there’s a big element of lacking confidence which would see us get over the line in more matches. fernandes, garnacho can score a goal from nowhere. our defenders and keeper can put in great performances, but we’ve been “moments fc,” “one man team,” “vibes fc,” for years. this has followed managers. the club is rotten and the players aren’t quite equipped for what’s been needed at any stage.
ye do realise we’ve gone though about 10 managers since Ferguson and not one of them has been successful. Would that not make you wonder that the manager isn’t the main problem?
It's 8 actually. That is not normal, most clubs will have gone through more than that.
Grouping | Starts | Mins | Goals | Assists | MP G+A |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
All Games | 41 | 3274 | 10 | 2 | 273mins |
Purple Patch | 6 | 529 | 7 | 2 | 59mins |
Remainder | 35 | 2745 | 3 | 0 | 915mins |
Hojlund missed the first four games and was a late substitute in the next two. He only started 3 full PL games for Ten Hag this season, in which he scored 1 goal.
He should be able to extract more starts from him.
Definitely, the one thing I have enjoyed since he's come in has been his brutal honesty.
As much as we all want Amorim to succeed, it's pretty clear he doesn't have the tactical flexibility to make it work. He has been nothing short of a disaster since he arrived and hasn't changed things to put an end and get us through with the players we have. Clubs hire and fire managers all the time and we should be no different but we seem to hang on too long every single time. To suggest there is no manager who can fix this is a stretch. All these players bar a few of the young lads have all competed at the highest level and achieved trophies and top 4 finishes, so to suggest there isn't a manager that can get something out of them is bizarre as there has been in the past.
The players got the most shit from what I remember, anyone but the manager. We had people blaming the roof at OT before they questioned Ten Hag.
Absolute fecking madness to think that this squad is good enough to be anywhere near the top half of the top 10. Take Bruno out and we'd be fighting relegation, and we were well on the path to this before the current manager came in, that's why Ten Hag got sacked in the first place. So a team that were lucky to finish 8th last season has lost Sancho, Rashford, Varane, Antony, Greenwood, McTomminay, Wan-Bissaka, Malacia, Martial, Elanga, Amrabat and you're saying they should be better?
I think what a lot of people miss is the bigger picture, the bigger context of what has and is happening to our club. You cannot just look at one present day match that we lose at home and get so blinkered by anger and disappointment that you fail to consider the disastrous mismanagement that began when SAF annoyed the Irish stakeholders enough to the point where they sold their shares and the Glazers seized their chance to capture our club. They leveraged huge debt which continues to cripple us, especially in light of PSR, and the complete lack of succession planning post SAF meant he got to pick his successor, madness when you think about it.
He can't really be using the cuts to staff and other overhead costs as an excuse, can he? You'd be reaching to suggest that it impacts the results on the field. If he was denied any incoming players in January, he could complain, but really he needs a summer transfer window to make some moves with the squad. That is, if he is not fired before that.
I meant in the sense of cuts to playing staff. Players like Anthony and Rashford have gone on loan without being replaced.
I would imagine he's had some say in that. He has openly called out Rashford for his lack of effort, and Antony desperately needed a confidence boost elsewhere. I don't think those two departures have harmed his chances of results that much. Hopefully it works in his favor, in that their market values increase and it results in more flexibility in the summer transfer window.
Not that I agree but to play devils advocate, it removes a lot of pressure. It's been said by him multiple times consistency is an issue and mentality, there is so much pressure and weight on this game that all of his comments about how unimportant this is and how nothing can save our season just points to me that he's trying to let the players know the pressure is off and is hoping that will spur something.
no one can pretend it’s going to plan. none of this “trust the process, believe in the plan” bollocks that ten hag was always spunking. the players with the right attitudes will rise to it, the players with the wrong ones need to feck off regardless of who the manager is.
You make it sound like the squad that finished 8th was then massively weakened.
I like his realism. Our players have been given a free ride for too long. He’s making clear what the standards are and it seems like those above him agree with his assessment of them.
That's fair, I don't want any of the toxic false positivity either. I just question the logic behind publicly signaling "none of this matters" ahead of what should be a pretty important game in the only competition that's still in play for us.
We say this every season, but realistically 90% of them will still be here at this time next season.
100% agreed
You are arguing in bad faith: most players you mentioned were either injured or not in the squad.
I agree I think we will struggle to shift a lot of them but I think we’re in a very different position this summer and will be doing all we can to get a lot off the books. Regardless, the ones we can’t move on need to know there are expectations. Too many have been allowed to coast for too long.
You tell me? Sevilla wins the Europa League seemingly every other year. Where has that got them exactly? Where exactly are they on the footballing totem pole? Are we striving to be Sevilla's level?
What are you talking about? 'Winning the Europa = being Sevilla' is stupid and disingenuous.
Yes but how long is ‘too long’ in this instance? Have we seen enough already to bin him? I’m not sure either way - the good games (City/Liverpool/Arsenal) were very good. The bad have been very bad, and more numerous. I don’t know what to think to be honest
