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As predicted he suffers when the form of the team drops.

Sancho's biggest issue in the league is intensity, he's very passive from a psychological point of view. Technically sound but absolutely a hindrance against opposition where game intensity is the deciding factor.
 
Redstain said:
As predicted he suffers when the form of the team drops.

Sancho's biggest issue in the league is intensity, he's very passive from a psychological point of view. Technically sound but absolutely a hindrance against opposition where game intensity is the deciding factor.
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There is no leadership or dog him at all. You could be the most technically gifted player on the pitch but if you vanish when the going gets difficult that ability becomes virtually worthless.

He consistently fades when it isn't easy.
 
When your impact during games is very limited. You should really keep yourself out of the limelight as much as possible.

That tweet just made him enemy no.1 again for all the fans on twitter. Idiot has to scroll past endless edits of all his bang average games now.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Sancho worked hard for 2, maybe 3 seasons. At Dortmund.

On the back of that, he's had 4 years of doing very little, in fact for close to a year he was doing nothing at all, not even training with the big boys.

All while earning about 15 million a year. So 60 million quid, and the hardest he worked has been the last 6 months, when he has had to play nearly a dozen full games. I thought managers earning millions for being crap was the worst way football money was used, but this is even worse.
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He had Hakimi behind him at right back, that probably helped his game alot and made him look better than he actually is.
 
dinostar77 said:
He had Hakimi behind him at right back, that probably helped his game alot and made him look better than he actually is.
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Another of those myths. Please look up how long the two played together and for how long Sancho played impressively at Dortmund. Yes the two had a good partnership, but Sancho was there before Hakimi arrived and was still there when Hakimi left.

The broad tactical point is true that Sancho profited from full backs making overlapping runs and suffered when those weren't happening, forcing him to stay wide himself.

But it didn't matter much who that player was.
 
On a side note, it’s been said before but modern transfers between United and Chelsea never seem to go all that well: Veron, Mata, Matic and now Sancho (early days). I’m aware that Mata and Matic were by no means flops but they never recaptured their former level.
 
Judas said:
In a thread of pettiness, this has to win top prize for me. Imagine remembering this as being an event of importance and holding onto it?! :lol:
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I'm not holding onto it, just said it's bit irritating. You want your team to win everything, right? Community Shield is basically meaningless but you'd rather win it than lose it.
 
Irwin99 said:
On a side note, it’s been said before but modern transfers between United and Chelsea never seem to go all that well: Veron, Mata, Matic and now Sancho (early days). I’m aware that Mata and Matic were by no means flops but they never recaptured their former level.
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You forgot Mount! It’s funny that he’s been so anonymous he even gets forgotten in a list of flops
 
dcrompton said:
You forgot Mount! It’s funny that he’s been so anonymous he even gets forgotten in a list of flops
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Yeah, forgot about Mount.

You'd probably have to go back to Mark Hughes for the last transfer that worked out well between the two clubs (I think he did pretty well at Chelsea IIRC)
 
Irwin99 said:
On a side note, it’s been said before but modern transfers between United and Chelsea never seem to go all that well: Veron, Mata, Matic and now Sancho (early days). I’m aware that Mata and Matic were by no means flops but they never recaptured their former level.
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Falcao (although a loan one) was also a disaster one
 
John Obi Mikel really laying into him in his podcast - says "he tricked us with a couple of good games. We thought we were getting Jadon Sancho at the level he was at Dortmund, but now he's disappeared. He's vanished off the radar. He receives the ball but doesn't dribble past anyone, and is no longer creating chances".

He's not too happy with Maresca or Reece James either, but that's another discussion.
 
Bobski said:
There is no leadership or dog him at all. You could be the most technically gifted player on the pitch but if you vanish when the going gets difficult that ability becomes virtually worthless.

He consistently fades when it isn't easy.
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Yeah I've long said if he had the Bruno gene of "I'm going to affect this game one way or another" and just tried shit constantly, he'd probably be twice the player he is now because his natural skill with the ball is good enough to do so. Instead he plays as if he's trying to never get put into a "fail comp" or get any bad twitter clips of his performance, and is happy to approach every game like that.
 
justsomebloke said:
John Obi Mikel really laying into him in his podcast - says "he tricked us with a couple of good games. We thought we were getting Jadon Sancho at the level he was at Dortmund, but now he's disappeared. He's vanished off the radar. He receives the ball but doesn't dribble past anyone, and is no longer creating chances".

He's not too happy with Maresca or Reece James either, but that's another discussion.
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Sounds so familiar.
 
Not commenting on his ability, but does he ever actually finish games for the teams he plays for? Always seems to be subbed.
 
Irwin99 said:
Not commenting on his ability, but does he ever actually finish games for the teams he plays for? Always seems to be subbed.
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I don’t know if it’s a fitness thing but he actually played well tonight. Could just be Maresca wanting to give others a run out given the score line.
 
Irwin99 said:
Not commenting on his ability, but does he ever actually finish games for the teams he plays for? Always seems to be subbed.
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This was an issue at United. He often looked knackered by the 60th minute and I assume that was one of the reasons why he was sent on an individual fitness break mid-season.
 
Looks like Delle Ali. Just younger. A career just going downhill. I guess that can be called freedom.
 
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If you can’t make an impression against the worst side in PL history, you aren’t going anywhere at a club that buys players like they do.
 
Redstain said:
As predicted he suffers when the form of the team drops.

Sancho's biggest issue in the league is intensity, he's very passive from a psychological point of view. Technically sound but absolutely a hindrance against opposition where game intensity is the deciding factor.
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What’s he tweeted now?
 
So he is now 25 games into his spell at chelsea and to be honest has been absolutely rubbish. Possibly even worse than while at United - and this is true even if he manages a goal or assist versus Leicester today. It's a long enough spell to not end up like those embarrassing overreactions when he got a couple of early assists or had one good 45 minutes in a big game for dortmund - and it is undeniable now that he's just not very well suited to the PL for some combination of physical, mental, and talent reasons.

So he gets chalked down as an obviously awful signing, but at what point do people concede that ten hag was right to get rid of him as he did? How badly does he have to perform and for how long, before there is a consensus that he's just not very good.
 
SER19 said:
So he is now 25 games into his spell at chelsea and to be honest has been absolutely rubbish. Possibly even worse than while at United - and this is true even if he manages a goal or assist versus Leicester today. It's a long enough spell to not end up like those embarrassing overreactions when he got a couple of early assists or had one good 45 minutes in a big game for dortmund - and it is undeniable now that he's just not very well suited to the PL for some combination of physical, mental, and talent reasons.

So he gets chalked down as an obviously awful signing, but at what point do people concede that ten hag was right to get rid of him as he did? How badly does he have to perform and for how long, before there is a consensus that he's just not very good.
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Spoke with a Chelsea fan who was just blaming Maresca for this, claiming he doesn't set up his wingers for success. I don't really see how though.
 
VP89 said:
Spoke with a Chelsea fan who was just blaming Maresca for this, claiming he doesn't set up his wingers for success. I don't really see how though.
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sancho is seemingly one of those players, who like rashford, is always the victim of a manager or a system according to some - and not just in fact a bit crap.
 
VP89 said:
Spoke with a Chelsea fan who was just blaming Maresca for this, claiming he doesn't set up his wingers for success. I don't really see how though.
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I don’t even agree that he’s been ‘absolutely rubbish’. Feels like a crazy exaggeration. It’s been more of a mixed bag with some good and bad games.

The attack has definitely stalled since December, so it’s not just Sancho, but Jackson, Palmer, Madueke etc who all looked good early in the season, fell into a slump at the same time. To me, if the entire attack becomes stagnant, that’s definitely something the manager has to answer for.
 
SER19 said:
So he is now 25 games into his spell at chelsea and to be honest has been absolutely rubbish. Possibly even worse than while at United - and this is true even if he manages a goal or assist versus Leicester today. It's a long enough spell to not end up like those embarrassing overreactions when he got a couple of early assists or had one good 45 minutes in a big game for dortmund - and it is undeniable now that he's just not very well suited to the PL for some combination of physical, mental, and talent reasons.

So he gets chalked down as an obviously awful signing, but at what point do people concede that ten hag was right to get rid of him as he did? How badly does he have to perform and for how long, before there is a consensus that he's just not very good.
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I think he’s been better at Chelsea than at United, but he’s not been good, he’s not pulled up any trees - and that doesn’t negate your main points.

If Chelsea didn’t have an obligation, would they even consider signing him after his performances? I seriously doubt it.

Chelsea will sell him or loan him out in the summer. I don’t expect him to be a med/ long term option for them.

We did well in getting him out of the club.
 
His price for Chelsea is about right. He's a 20M player. Does the odd good thing now and again but over a season just offers nothing like enough.

Chelsea will get shot summer of 2026. Spurs will probably think they can get a tune out of him, then 2028 he'll be off to a lower mid table/newly promoted team.

Average player having average career.
 
dazjoe said:
His price for Chelsea is about right. He's a 20M player. Does the odd good thing now and again but over a season just offers nothing like enough.

Chelsea will get shot summer of 2026. Spurs will probably think they can get a tune out of him, then 2028 he'll be off to a lower mid table/newly promoted team.

Average player having average career.
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I reckon he'll end up back at Dortmund on the cheap
 
dazjoe said:
His price for Chelsea is about right. He's a 20M player. Does the odd good thing now and again but over a season just offers nothing like enough.

Chelsea will get shot summer of 2026. Spurs will probably think they can get a tune out of him, then 2028 he'll be off to a lower mid table/newly promoted team.

Average player having average career.
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He might just retire early. Clearly has no love for the game and the effort it requires is too much for him. We’ve made him a very rich man, so he may just call it a day
 
Is that how much he’s going for- 20 million to Chelsea?
dazjoe said:
His price for Chelsea is about right. He's a 20M player. Does the odd good thing now and again but over a season just offers nothing like enough.

Chelsea will get shot summer of 2026. Spurs will probably think they can get a tune out of him, then 2028 he'll be off to a lower mid table/newly promoted team.

Average player having average career
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