No no if Zidane is coach, Hojlund becomes 30 goals a season striker, how can you not understand?!?!
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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No no if Zidane is coach, Hojlund becomes 30 goals a season striker, how can you not understand?!?!
At least with him you can see what he wants to do and it’s quite clear why some things work and others don’t. With other managers it’s been difficult to tell what the strategy actually is.
We've been game raising cnuts under him. Useless against most teams but the big sides often find us tricky.
Awful first half. Very good second.
Should have won it really.
Considering the circumstances it was a good day.
Only small nitpick is that I want Heaven starting over Lindelof. I’d quite like to see him & Yoro either side of De Light. Think it could be really good.
Should have won it really.
Considering the circumstances it was a good day.
Only small nitpick is that I want Heaven starting over Lindelof. I’d quite like to see him & Yoro either side of De Light. Think it could be really good.
What do you mean suddenly? Our best performances came against Arsenal and Liverpool months ago. We're nothing more than game raisers
Think that’s a little too simplistic a view.
I think it’s obvious we do have a fair few game raisers in our team. That’s now defeats avoided against city, Liverpool and Arsenal twice.
We were terrible in that first half going forward because of the players not utilising the system well.
Our wide cbs were too deep, Mazraoui was too deep and Garnacho was too wide.
Second half all of a sudden Heaven and De Ligt are coming out more, Lindelof is pushing forward. Garnacho is moving across attacking areas, balls moving quicker and we suddenly look very threatening.
But it’s not natural for the players and that’s why they struggle with it. I think going in 1-0 surprised the team and their confidence was lifted and all of a sudden they started taking risks. I mean I’ve never seen Mazraoui that far forward so constantly.
Good performance given that half the squad are injured.
this thread in something..
no coach will turn onana into a keeper or hojlund into a decent striker.
great second half, the quality on the bench was just embarrassing to see.
no coach will turn onana into a keeper or hojlund into a decent striker.
great second half, the quality on the bench was just embarrassing to see.
It was a very odd game. For the first 20/25 minutes, they were all over us (without really doing too much, tbf) and we struggled to get out of our half, bar a few moments where Garnacho broke free on the right hand side. Then, we grew into the game and scored a great free kick. Looked dangerous for a lot of the second half with some great chances, then had a slump before and after when they scored. But, we finished the game well and could have won it at the end. We also could have lost it with Onana's parry back into danger. So, there is that.
On balance, a 1-1 is probably more than most fans hoped and expected for today. Think he did the best he could with who and what he had at his disposal. There just isn't that good striker to put away the chances for us. Forget about a 9/10 striker. We haven't even got a 6 or 7/10. Or even a 5/10, really.
On balance, a 1-1 is probably more than most fans hoped and expected for today. Think he did the best he could with who and what he had at his disposal. There just isn't that good striker to put away the chances for us. Forget about a 9/10 striker. We haven't even got a 6 or 7/10. Or even a 5/10, really.
It appears some definitely seem to think that way. Last season we often seen a list of factors trotted out for Ten Hag to explain that we shouldn't have expected him to do any better than 8th. Injuries, Takeover, Ronaldo, Greenwood, Sancho, Global warming etc. ignoring the biggest factor that held us back. His management.
This season I can't think of one player bar maybe Amad and Bruno recently who has looked like his confidence isn't shot. Virtually to a man this teams morale is in the shitter, and whether or not people realize or want to admit it. That plays a huge factor in performances.
thought he managed the game brilliantly. My only gripe would be I thought he should’ve replaced Eriksen with Toby about 10 minutes earlier.
There are definitely signs of improvement in some recent games
No but to be fair he had 8 goals in around 20 games up until November but hasn't scored under Amorim. So something isn't right.
No place for Yoro? I think he's been very good last 2 or 3 games. Done well defensively and the way he comes out with the ball is Rio like. He rarely gives the ball away. I think we have a WC player in the making.
The comeback vs Everton looking like it's maybe a turning point?
Been much better since then. If we had a decent striker, and the reason we don't is nothing to do with Amorim, then we'd be so much better off.
Been much better since then. If we had a decent striker, and the reason we don't is nothing to do with Amorim, then we'd be so much better off.
Game raisers or not it shows the system works when players play it properly. It's not a system problem, it's a lack of talent problem.
A minor positive is that we are maybe getting a little harder to beat. Exclude shoot outs and i think that's 3 defeats in 15. Hardly worth shouting about but an improvement and something to build on.
Really hope we get a big night Thursday
Really hope we get a big night Thursday
His role has changed to be a provider. Anytime Garnacho passes we create something. The issue is that 95% he prefers to run and shoot from difficult angles.
If we're ultra-critical I think you could say the subs came a little too late. You could see us getting deeper and deeper just before Arsenal scored and Collyer's legs were needed in that midfield.
A game of two halves, first half Arsenal controlled more of the game offered very little threat. Bruno scored a well placed free kick. Second half the performance was much better, consider Bruno / Hojlund chances to been ones they should have scored essentially being 1 on 1.
We need to get a more robust (still technically sound) midfielder and move Bruno back to #10. A new tricky #10 to play the other role. Yoro definitely has a place here, but let's not get carried away.
So same as before Amorim came yet the fact is he hasn't scored since November.
Bruno was unlucky tbf... lucky save(s) from Raya. Højlund however
And the goal we scored was off the training ground and a tactical masterstroke?
In any case, it's basically still the case that going low block counter attack is the best we look in this system. Probably not much else to do, given the injuries but not really a sign of us getting "better", we clearly suit this type of game where we don't need to have much possession. Goals aside, our ability to build from the back was pretty shocking, and that is something that should be sorted on the training pitch.
We deserved to win on balance. I was half expecting us to crumble after the equaliser but we actually came on stronger.
Before he was one of the attacking focuses and responsible to score. Now he is more responsible to assist.
Hs still shoots a lot as you've said. But doesn't score anymore.
He gets us to turn up to big games and the fear of getting massacred that ETH put into us, has gone.
His one signing was banned. There’s a few centrebacks and midfielders missing. No real wingbacks (the only true one was the said banned). The midfield contained two peaked players who one is leaving and the other is hopefully being shifted. The attacking options were young and toothless.
Good recruitment in the summer will be key and I have more confidence in this hierarchy than I would have if Woodward or Murtough were running the show. The latter would have us spunking huge money on some unproven young talent and the former would go for a galactico signing.
His one signing was banned. There’s a few centrebacks and midfielders missing. No real wingbacks (the only true one was the said banned). The midfield contained two peaked players who one is leaving and the other is hopefully being shifted. The attacking options were young and toothless.
Good recruitment in the summer will be key and I have more confidence in this hierarchy than I would have if Woodward or Murtough were running the show. The latter would have us spunking huge money on some unproven young talent and the former would go for a galactico signing.
Same thing I said after the last game. This performance doesn't really change anything that know or don't know about Amorim.
Our best games have been against the better teams that don't go full press against us or run at us relentlessly; it suits our players as they can defend low and take the time to play out without too much difficulty.
Let's see how it goes against Sociedad.
Our best games have been against the better teams that don't go full press against us or run at us relentlessly; it suits our players as they can defend low and take the time to play out without too much difficulty.
Let's see how it goes against Sociedad.
But where he is receiving the ball has changed. His shoots come from further away and in different angles. Most players would opt to pass from these angles.
Those weren't lucky saves, that was great goalkeepingBruno was unlucky tbf... lucky save(s) from Raya. Højlund however
He's had plenty of chances in the box also. But his confidence these last few months seems low.
I think he actually had more assists pre November also. Not 100% sure though.
I appreciate Amorim's post match comments about not really wanting to play a low block game. I actually think that sitting deep against Arsenal is the right tactic at the mo, they struggle against teams that sit deep. But irrespective of that, when you look at who's fit to play and the general confidence level of the team, I think the pragmatism is fine.
I'll be unimpressed if he rolls it out consistently between now and the end of the season in the league, I still think we need to try and set the principles right, even if we don't see much success with it there. In Europe however it might be a different matter.
I'll be unimpressed if he rolls it out consistently between now and the end of the season in the league, I still think we need to try and set the principles right, even if we don't see much success with it there. In Europe however it might be a different matter.
Amorim-haters coping hard. Now let's pick out Garnacho's terrible shooting and playing a low block with an injury-stricken squad against Arsenal to blame on Amorim. 
Everytime we do well this thread doesn't get replies for hours. Must be sad when you can't be happy when the team does well just because you have an agenda against a manager that's been here 3 months.
Half the team is injured but a few games in a row now where we're disappointed we didn't win. There's been glimpses of what Amorim's tactics are capable of producing if we just had a few proper footballers in key positions. Summer transfers just need to be some sensible decisions around the right profiles and we'll improve exponentially.
Everytime we do well this thread doesn't get replies for hours. Must be sad when you can't be happy when the team does well just because you have an agenda against a manager that's been here 3 months.Half the team is injured but a few games in a row now where we're disappointed we didn't win. There's been glimpses of what Amorim's tactics are capable of producing if we just had a few proper footballers in key positions. Summer transfers just need to be some sensible decisions around the right profiles and we'll improve exponentially.
We seem to be playing the transitions a bit better in the past few weeks. Definitely noticed it against Sociedad and today at times.
Such a big game for him and the club on Thursday. If we can win and get some momentum and get a few players back, maybe we can have a stronger end to the season.
Such a big game for him and the club on Thursday. If we can win and get some momentum and get a few players back, maybe we can have a stronger end to the season.
Erm Rubén, we had by far the better chances in that match. Raya had three amazing saves, and and Hojland let us down on a sitter. Don’t sell yourself short
There is small difference between great save and lucky saves. But fair play to Raya, except that free kick, he was easily MOTM. If we would win 4:1, no one would say it was great goalkeeping, but great finishing.
To be fair to him, we have already played better and on the front foot against Liverpool at Anfield but we weren’t blitzed with injuries then like we were today.
To those that level a lack of tactical flexibility against Amorim as a negative - why doesn't what we just saw count? Quite clearly today was a departure from the possession based style he prefers, and he did so in order to produce a performance that defied a laundry list of issues against the vast majority of posters and commenters who thought we'd get tonked. What, is it just because its still 3 at the back?